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DF Spoilers / Re: Nemesis [BG SPOILERS]
« on: November 18, 2020, 02:10:03 AM »
I'm not sure if Old Gods from Oblivion Wars are the same as Outsiders.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Would You Be Shocked If....
« on: November 18, 2020, 02:09:13 AM »
Ah, indeed my bad.

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Lady Cessarina Malvora was a mother.

Damn, I was sure Vito was her nephew somehow

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DF Spoilers / Re: "Talk To Me..." Had Carlos Already Drank the Kool-Aid?
« on: November 18, 2020, 02:02:07 AM »
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Because if Carlos still felt empathy for Harry, he wouldn't have pulled what he did on the beach.

This is not a question of empathy but of trust. Empathy is skill/ability of one's perception not necessarily moral guide.
And Carlos being more empathetic can also feel all Dresden inner darkness, even if 80% of them is Dresden's neurosis over them.


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Because it's HIGHLY probably Mirrphy will hate Dresden's guts so much he's gonna to see it.

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DF Spoilers / Re: [BG spoilers!!] Revisiting the short story "Monsters"
« on: November 17, 2020, 08:00:10 AM »
There are few options:

a) it was Hendricks and Marcone used sorcery to wipe memory of him from all the world
b) it was Hendricks and he was either mistaken or foreshadowed by intellectus as Einhernjar
c) it was some random Einhenjar on Marcone's payroll because Gard and Hendricks were took a week off to rest on Sri Lanka

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You can enthrall others by various geases without mind magic.
If you know their NAME, their essence.

And enthrall law is one that is interpreted strictly as including spirits as well. You can bargain with them, but you cannot force spirits.

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That would be really traumatic.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Marcone's Power Base
« on: November 16, 2020, 11:18:28 PM »
Just when you thought Marcone is an Agent of Hell, truth turned out even more insidious - he was Agent of USA.

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DF Spoilers / Re: When did LtW join the White Council?
« on: November 16, 2020, 11:17:24 PM »
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And in BG, Harry knows what the placard does. I don't remember if BG mentions that he has studied the artifacts or researched them, but he obviously has.

Well there were 5 artifacts lying together  - so what placard is was easy to guess by educated man.
Now force of this artifact - I'm not sure if it was matter of theoretical study - or just power of Crucifixion artifacts is so strong he can just feel what it does. Just like just knew what Spear of Destiny is doing be holding in in his hands.

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4.  Excepting certain powers intervening (ala red court in Mesoamerica) the population of wizards should probably be reflective of human populations, so it certainly does seem that the council is horribly western in leadership, considering that about 60% of the world population lives in Asia.  And considering the references Harry has made about their locations, etc. it seems it has probably always been European dominated, which seems wrong unless there is a similar reduction in Asian wizard populations for some reason (hunted by jade court, etc.)

White Council is quite young. 1000-1500 y.o.
Chinese wizards could have own traditions and even after joining were mostly interested into own business, just as Jade Court avoid global politics.


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She will move into Prime Universe but changed into Black Court Vampire and in BAT we gonna have epic duel between Black!Murphy and Valhalla!Murphy.

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It's awesome, but in a way too fan-servicey (not maybe for me but I assume for most) and it's very much against how Butcher constructed Dresden character. Even his decision to empower himself at the end of BG is way more linked to his family and friends - than any righteous killing machine mode - I believe in this aspect Mab is doomed to fail (assuming that's what she really want).

From all those options I assume "drinking" is maybe though Dresden never was a drinker even in his wanna-be-noir years. Harems are quite obviously out of the question, (not to mention Lara would die, and Molly would kill Dresden if trying), just as enemies head on spikes.

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Or Harry gets married to Molly and Lara at the same time.



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Although to be honest I wish that he had made Rudolph do it on purpose so that Harry could have justifiably killed him on the spot because that would have been far more delicious.

With whole angle Butcher treats it I doubt book would treat it as justifiable - and still Knights would stop Dresden.
(TBH I'd prefer - although I'm in it-was-contrieved team so I'm not happy with whole situation - if Dresden killed Rudolph as it was, without premeditated murder on his part - and Knights were too late. And then to own dismay Dresden would not turn into some monster.

I quote one of my favourite moments from HBO's Chernobyl here:
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"Look. This happens to everyone the first time. Normally when you kill a man. But for you a dog. So what? There's no shame in it. You remember your first time, Garo? My first time, Afghanistan. We were moving through a house and... suddenly a man was there and I shot him in the stomach. Yeah, that's a real war story. There are never any good stories like in movies - they're shit. A man was there, boom... stomach. I was so scared I didn't pull the trigger again for the rest of the day. I thought, well, that's it, Bacho. You put a bullet in someone. You're not you anymore. You'll never be you again. But then you wake up the next morning and you're still you. And you realize: that was you all along. You just didn't know."

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--It gives Harry a Vengeance Angle, more so than he had. It makes it really personal, and given that she was in 17 books with him, it particularly well established. I love a good revenge.

I'm not sure that's where it's going. Especially since Rudolph was beaten and Ethniu imprisoned.

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The Bar / Re: Holocaust denial in Turn Coat?
« on: November 15, 2020, 12:07:33 AM »
First I wanted pointed few things about Columbus of all things:

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Columbious wasn't trying to discover Amarica or prove that the earth was round. In fact, Columbious believed the earth was flat, and continued to believe it until the day he died.

I'm quite sure this is not true. Whole Columbus expedition was based on assumption Earth is round - but smaller and there is no Americas.
Columbus was in fact believing land he discovered was Easternmost part of India, and he died believing that. (I mean if he believed world is flat why would he he sail to India - straight West).

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Amarica had already been discoverd by other exploers, most notably the Vikings and Ferdanad Majelien. Columbia's was actually trying to find a faster Trade Rout to Asia. Instead, he wound up in South Amarica.

We can say America was discovered by multiple tribes before, but when we say discovered in Columbus context we speak about perspective of let's say Eurasian civilisation. Viking settlements were earlier - but they were not known to Europe as whole.
Ferdinand Magellan was 12 when Columbus reached Carribean Islands. His discoveries - are decades later than Columbus.

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-Third. When Columbis finally did land, he and his crew were greeted peacefully by the natives, who Columbis and his men began to kill and enslave, until very few of them remained. He then took, along with the slaves, all the Spices, Fabrics and Gold his ship would hold, and returned to the queen and his homeland in Victory.

That is vast oversimplification of longer process than truly in fact lead to downfall of Taino culture of Carribean Islands. (Not to absolve Spanish of their crimes, but it's simply not like Columbus came with his three ships and killed 2 million natives on multiple islands and then returned victoriously). Also reactions of various Taino tribes towards Spanish differed - there were violent reactions.

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Bonus Fact: Two of Columbiouses ship, the Nina and the Pinta, are Sailor Slang for Prostituets. Being a God Fearing man, Columbious made them name the third ship the Santa Maria.

This is not really certain.
Primo, by custom all Spanish ship or almost all had Saint's name and unofficial surnames.
We know Nina (girl) was names Sainta Clara. And that her nickname was rather pun on her owner Juan Niņo surname.
Santa Maria was nicknamed "La Gallega".
Secundo, neither of those ships were Columbus property. They all had owners - mentioned Juan Nino, Cristobal Quintero (Pinta), Juan de la Cosa
(Santa Maria). So it seems not improbable they all have their names estabilished before Columbus organised his expedition.

Now in terms of Luccio's words, I see no reason to treat it as Holocaust denying - I mean considering overall stories of DF I could make guess about sligthly right-wingish libertarian believes of Butcher - maybe, but how such interpretation would even hold in overall scheme. Especially consdiering Butters character?

But I also do not think it's simply hindsight thing.
Let's remember that one of allies was Joseph Stalin. Let's remember Soviets were trying to push some of their crimes on Nazis - like for instance Katyn massacre. And you have ignoring truth about many real attrocities on the other hand. Quite a mess.
Dresden know Nazis from comic books, and films when they are just sort of bland, death-cult spooks. Luccio knew people, and she had centuries of messy muggle politics remembered. And she also knew beings that would make Hitler, Stalin, Churchill and Eisenhower to shake hands, open fire from multiple machine guns and then be shredded into many bloody pieces (which arguably would make WW2 politics maybe a bit simpler). Beings like Dracul, Shagnasty, Outsiders, Denarians... She won't go all Manichean on mortals. Not even mortals with lot of blood on their hands. I mean remember what Jim wrote about soulgazing a Hitler.

(Or maybe she's just crypto-Mussolinian in heart :P)

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It is a bit of a cop out on Luccio's part because the WC was in a position to examine the stories of atrocities. Even though there were a lot of them, determining the truth of them all would have been possible for the council, though it certainly would have occupied a lot of time.

And then which attrocities would they stop? Hitler's? Stalin's? Japanese? Lot of places to be for organisation as small. Especially when you cannot just kill the bad guys. Especially if there are warlocks and sorcerers fighting on different sides that needs to be taken out - and necromantic death cult using World Wars for his own purposes.



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DF Spoilers / Re: Who should Harry marry
« on: November 14, 2020, 09:55:12 PM »
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As per Mab's reasoning for Thomas to take over the WK mantle, he loves, that's human enough.

I mean White Vampires have genuine human souls just with extra-stuff, so I guess it counts.

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And part WoJ, all of Fairie has a bit of mortal life in them, some more than others. Toot has the potential to be the WK.

But true Fae would be forbidden to interact with mortals. Wizard or whampire is not.

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Very true as far as his lifestyle goes, but that is why Molly would ultimately be the best partner for him, she understands where he is coming from being a wizard, herself.   I don't think Murphy ever fully understood Harry, and yes, you can love someone but not understand them.

Dunno. I must say I don't think Dresden is that complicated after all.
I mean there would be consequences probably both of them prefered to ignore at least for some time.

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But yeah, Harry had a dependency on her that gave me that feeling.

Dependency?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Wait, How Did Warden Ramirez Know About...? - From PT
« on: November 14, 2020, 09:50:00 PM »
Funny fact in Forest People language Genoshkwa means "War Path" but it also can be read as "Gossip Girl" - it all depends where you count this H in the middle.

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