Morgan.
I thought his death was pretty close to perfect - the only thing really wrong with it is him changing his position on Harry just as he dies.How so, please?
How so, please?
People who have been asserting something as firmly as we have seen Morgan assert Harry isn't innocent recanting on their deathbed to a more sympathetic position is neither convincingly realistic nor a trope I am fond of; and this holds whether Morgan genuinely believes Harry is guilty or not. Either way it didn't ring true to me.
Carmichael dying was what sold me on the series, fwiw.
If you could choose one person who died with the series to not be among the dead; who would it be?I'd normally say Susan, but since I'm hoping to see her and some others in Mirror Mirror, I'll go with someone dead and gone...
Cat Sith. :sadmeowface: He would have been a great influence on Dresden and broken up the saccharine vibe.Lulz that you think Sith is dead.
Lulz that you think Sith is dead.Whether his flesh is still animated or not, the rascal himself is gone. N did a personalityectomy on him in the book.
Personally, I'm hoping for Cat Sith Who Prowls Behind to make a future appearance.
I'd normally say Susan, but since I'm hoping to see her and some others in Mirror Mirror, I'll go with someone dead and gone...lol ;D
Simon Petrovich.
Lulz that you think Sith is dead.
Personally, I'm hoping for Cat Sith Who Prowls Behind to make a future appearance.
People who have been asserting something as firmly as we have seen Morgan assert Harry isn't innocent recanting on their deathbed to a more sympathetic position is neither convincingly realistic nor a trope I am fond of; and this holds whether Morgan genuinely believes Harry is guilty or not. Either way it didn't ring true to me.I get your meaning. Kinda like a lifelong atheist finding God on his deathbed.
I'd normally say Susan, but since I'm hoping to see her and some others in Mirror Mirror, I'll go with someone dead and gone...You may be right; but, I am still holding to the theory that Simon is hanging around in Cowl-ish ways.I really love the pun of Simon Cowl.
Simon Petrovich.
Lulz that you think Sith is dead.
Personally, I'm hoping for Cat Sith Who Prowls Behind to make a future appearance.
People who have been asserting something as firmly as we have seen Morgan assert Harry isn't innocent recanting on their deathbed to a more sympathetic position is neither convincingly realistic nor a trope I am fond of; and this holds whether Morgan genuinely believes Harry is guilty or not. Either way it didn't ring true to me.It was not at his dead bed, it was at the beginning of the book. It was clear that they both got a better understanding of each other during the years and that understanding was won the hard way, not with a sudden soul gaze or so. Morgans understanding of Harry at the beginning of Turn Coat was already enough for him to go to Chicago of all places. The hardest thing for both actually is to acknowledge it. Dying might make that easier, I don't know.
It was not at his dead bed, it was at the beginning of the book. It was clear that they both got a better understanding of each other during the years and that understanding was won the hard way, not with a sudden soul gaze or so.
All of which would have worked far better for me without Morgan's dying statement.That was for those people who don't believe anything before it is explicitly written down. Everything he said was also clear from his actions although nice from him he told Harry about not telling about Molly but that lead to the explanation so...
Is there a bad guy that got their "just desserts" that people wish was around for another meal?
Jenny Greenteeth. Her illusion specialization made her a good counter to Molly, and I'd have liked to have seen Molly develop her own nemeses before she ascended.
That was for those people who don't believe anything before it is explicitly written down.
TWC, if'n he hadn't I don't think we'd have anywhere near the same story ;DYou lost me with TWC, don't recognize those initials unless I am having a senile moment.
You lost me with TWC, don't recognize those initials unless I am having a senile moment.Er... maybe lol. The White Christ...
People who have been asserting something as firmly as we have seen Morgan assert Harry isn't innocent recanting on their deathbed to a more sympathetic position is neither convincingly realistic nor a trope I am fond of; and this holds whether Morgan genuinely believes Harry is guilty or not. Either way it didn't ring true to me.
Lash I do miss. Her bits with Harry made him smarter.
I saw it the other way. He confirmed Harry's suspicion that it wasn't personal, that Morgan was simply trying to terrify Harry into staying good. And that Morgan had come to respect Harry.Dresden didn't have a normal banter going on with Morgan. The funny exchanges were generally based on Harry being a lippy bugger and Morgan getting angry about it. It was obvious, that they had trouble communicating, because even though their relationship did improve as they learn more about each other, there is no true bonding. Mutual respect, collegiality, but no bonding.
My problem with Morgan's death was that I expected Harry, after Morgan's compliment, to say something like "You just had to suck all the fun out of me getting to watch you die." Leaving Morgan to die with a smile on his face.
Particularly when you consider, the reason for this is she's the only one he couldn't hide his true self from. She basically fell in love with him in so much as that she sacrificed herself and performed the act of creation from it via Lash.The Reaper?
*Also part of why I consider the Reaper more likely to be Susan, her sacrifice should have been a similar act within her own soul.
For someone that had such small air time, the Reaper has gotten alot of attention and speculation. I think I have seen theories where she could be Susan, Lash, and Harry's mom.
Harry didn't let Kim play in the big leagues. He tried to warn her against it. She took it upon herself and it got her killed.
Though, the idea of Kim living and being a big sister to Molly does have some appeal.
Is that series good overall? I expect the first 2 or 3 to be rough as the writer finds his voice. But, as a whole, does flow well?Nightside is... well... depends on what you are looking for in a book series. I think it's fair to say, that the first half of the series is good, although John Taylor has some serious mommy issues [ a lot worse than Harry ]. But if you take it as a kind of parody set as a Funny fantasy noir series, it's readable. Still, the 2nd half of the series is kind of a stretch. Maybe if the order of the books was a bit different and some plot alterations, it would be better. But if you want over-the-top hardcore hardboiled characters doing crazy things mostly happening in a tiny pocket universe that is connected to London... you'll be fine :) I didn't check the British audiobooks, but Mark Vietor does a good job.
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Money Comes Walking In
Private eyes come in all shapes and sizes, and none of them look like television stars. Some do insurance work, some hang around cheap hotels with camcorders hoping to get evidence for divorce cases, and damn few ever get to investigate complicated murder mysteries. Some chase things that don't exist, or shouldn't. Me, I find things. Sometimes I'd rather not find them, but that comes with the territory.
The flaking sign on the door in those days said Taylor Investigations. I'm Taylor. Tall, dark and not particularly handsome. I bear the scars of old cases proudly, and I never let down a client. Provided they've paid at least some cash up front.
I just hope that Jim won't go all Simon R. Green and turn Harry's mom into a raving psycho who faked her death only to return as a villainEr.. actually... I wonder if when she died she didn't more or less imprint onto Nemesis due to exposure to Harry's birth/existence(sort of how the walker fearbinger took on the abstract formation of the fear cause by Molly)
Oh, Reapergirl... Hmm... interesting. I didn't think much about her. I liked that character. Just as I think of Mab, I find her very dateable :)You definitely like them dark and dangerous, firestarter. Thanks for the heads-up on Nightshade. I have been curious about it.
And since Jim admitted to being too lazy to create single-use-characters, I expect us meeting the charming entity again.
You definitely like them dark and dangerous, firestarter. Thanks for the heads-up on Nightshade. I have been curious about it.I like personalities similar to mine :) doing your duty to the best of your ability. Whatever is necessary but sticking to the rules.
I hope we see the Reaper again, too.
She has ... the Fomor servitor .... I forgot his name.
Er.. actually... I wonder if when she died she didn't more or less imprint onto Nemesis due to exposure to Harry's birth/existence(sort of how the walker fearbinger took on the abstract formation of the fear cause by Molly)the problem with Reapergirl being Susan is that the reapergirl was an angel and people don't become angels. That's primarily why I believe that it could have been Lash.
The Reaper in GS who stands guard over father forthill. People say that's Lash's afterlife... I say it's Susan's and that's why she is covered in Ink, it represents who she choose to be in life when she became a member of the fellowship and used the tattoo's to hide/control the darkness within(which is interesting in that her silver eye's have been associated with Outside/vampires in general)
the problem with Reapergirl being Susan is that the reapergirl was an angel and people don't become angels. That's primarily why I believe that it could have been Lash.... What precisely was Lash really that she'd die. DIE mind you, and be reborn in a new form, still an angel?
the problem with Reapergirl being Susan is that the reapergirl was an angel and people don't become angels. That's primarily why I believe that it could have been Lash.Why not? The angels are extremely secretive about what comes next so we have a lot of room for speculation. They are soul based and very interested in souls. Humans have souls so they are most related to angels. Angels are extremely interested in the development of these souls, we are free to speculate about the reason for that.
the problem with Reapergirl being Susan is that the reapergirl was an angel and people don't become angels. That's primarily why I believe that it could have been Lash.
Why not? The angels are extremely secretive about what comes next so we have a lot of room for speculation. They are soul based and very interested in souls. Humans have souls so they are most related to angels. Angels are extremely interested in the development of these souls, we are free to speculate about the reason for that.
Storm Frond
The DV having einherjar and valkyries is pretty solid evidence for not all dead souls being sorted in the angels' cosmology.And Hades gives us another one. But for those who are, and Susan probably belongs to them, nothing is really known about what comes next.
The DV having einherjar and valkyries is pretty solid evidence for not all dead souls being sorted in the angels' cosmology.I agree, and disagree lol. I think it's evidence that in generations past the roles now held by Christian or at least monotheistic religions on the angelic scale were previously held by others. various reasonings
the problem with Reapergirl being Susan is that the reapergirl was an angel and people don't become angels. That's primarily why I believe that it could have been Lash.Are we sure about this one? I mean, it is the Dresdenverse. Mortals can become Mab. Mortals can gain the power of a god. What not mortals become angels? It probably couldn't happen often but there is always a first time for everything.
Are we sure about this one? I mean, it is the Dresdenverse. Mortals can become Mab. Mortals can gain the power of a god. What not mortals become angels? It probably couldn't happen often but there is always a first time for everything.I admit... I have this crazy idea that Uriel
Is there a bad guy that got their "just desserts" that people wish was around for another meal?The cute, incestuous red vampire brother and sister couple who loved tennis.
I admit... I have this crazy idea that UrielHmm... if you go through the bible a few times, you'll end up getting the idea, that Archangel Michael is who actually became Jesus Christ. But it may well be, that Jim is going to play the artist card in this case.(click to show/hide)
the problem with Reapergirl being Susan is that the reapergirl was an angel and people don't become angels. That's primarily why I believe that it could have been Lash.Hmm... You're basically talking about the Kabbalah. And yes, Michael in Skin Game temporarily jumped up a few Sephiroths. So no, it's not out of the question, but resurrecting Susan would basically destroy the impact of Changes. For a story to be enjoyable there have to be bad scenes to highlight the good scenes. It works like this in real life as well.
I agree, and disagree lol. I think it's evidence that in generations past the roles now held by Christian or at least monotheistic religions on the angelic scale were previously held by others. various reasonings
A) Lasciel's 'closest to true form' from Harry's intuition is the Greek woman. Combine that with the Woj angels may only believe they are the originals and/or from the beginning because of faith and the current Order of Angels may only be risen from the last time the Apocalypse went down.
B) Dragons existed before humans ever came into the balance, So humanoid God's and angels weren't always in true form. Case in point, Dragons could be considered the Gods of the dinosaur era.
C) Naaglooshi are from an Angelic order whom 'retreated' after their job was done, they stayed and were corrupted by it... A previous order. Comparable to Odin saying the Jotun's retreated.
... What precisely was Lash really that she'd die. DIE mind you, and be reborn in a new form, still an angel?Lash was made of Lash. She was living in Harry. That's why she was her own person but had to take some of Harry's essence to actually gain free will. And since she used her free will to act according to her love for Harry, this was what gave birth to Bonnie.
She was made of Harry, his life, his brain, she could change because she was effectively mortal. She could chose specifically because she gained it from Harry(see woj on Free Will and if Lash got it). What died was not anything to do with an Angel except that it was once printed out by one. Effectively a piece of Harry died, she wasn't like Bonnie gestating to be born.
Lash was made of Lash. She was living in Harry. That's why she was her own person but had to take some of Harry's essence to actually gain free will.That is almost ridiculous to me. This has been gone over more than once in more than one form... Lash was not Lash until she interacted with Harry so much so she stopped being Lasciel(long before she could admit it to herself). Lash herself was made up of an imprint of Lasciel, onto Harry. She wasn't her own entity.
That is almost ridiculous to me. This has been gone over more than once in more than one form... Lash was not Lash until she interacted with Harry so much so she stopped being Lasciel(long before she could admit it to herself). Lash herself was made up of an imprint of Lasciel, onto Harry. She wasn't her own entity.Ok, maybe I should clear something up:
Ok, maybe I should clear something up:Yea that makes more sense lol.
Shadow of Lasciel was made of Shadow of Lasciel. Became Lash after Harry gave her a name and once she borrowed a piece of Harry's soul. And when I say that she was her own person I mean that she was a separate entity.
Hmm... I don't see Susan coming back in any form except some flashbacks. It would cheapen Changes and her whole struggle.
Agreed, with passion. We should not see Susan again, except in memories, or maybe if Harry is looking across time or something. Or, just possibly, if Harry ends up paying another visit to wherever it is that Colin is at, but even then, probably not. Though I won't be surprised if we do see Carmichael and Colin again, in some form. But I hope not restored to Earthly life.
I was thinking even prior to the attack that she looked a little drained.
Don't be ridiculous. If Lash had lived, she'd be the other Girlfriend.
Lash. I would have loved her to have survived, as not only would she likely have helped stop Harry from committing suicide, he would have been helped by all the knowledge she could bring.Pretty much, if she'd survived she'd have broken the series' intended progression over her imaginary knee.
But that is why she had to die. All the endgame secrets and tricks before the series is half over given there? That would have messed up a lot of stories.
Though, there would be some downsides. I like to think if Harry got another girlfriend while Lash was in him, she could have sided with the girlfriend in some arguments.
Lash
Lash's death is indeed a shame, but I think it has to be done or the story itself will go unbalance.Don't forget the presumably accelerated teaching.
In many ways, the shadow of a fallen is actually a far greater cheat compare to having the coin itself. The very reason why the shadow is not that much of a cheat is precisely because the shadow is bound to serve the purpose of the fallen creating it. Due to that restriction, shadow Lasciel cannot just grant Harry any knowledge Harry wants without a price. She has to bargain with Harry and in doing so increase the true fallen ability to influence Harry further. Lash however, has evolve to the point she can shrug off this particular restriction. She is free.
With the restriction gone, , Lash will be a cheat so frodulent Harry might as well become the MC of a Chinese Xuanhuan webnovel. Perfect memory, perfect recall, near perfect observation ability, virtual reality simulation capabilities, and the knowledge throve of a fallen angel. It is too much. This is Harry Dresden, not Leylin Farlier.
Sad though it was, Lash has to go.
I wish Jack Murphy has not died. The series is going more fantasy and less Urban these days. A truly strong and capable vanilla might strengthened the Urban elements.
Lash's death is indeed a shame, but I think it has to be done or the story itself will go unbalance.I am feeling that as well.
In many ways, the shadow of a fallen is actually a far greater cheat compare to having the coin itself. The very reason why the shadow is not that much of a cheat is precisely because the shadow is bound to serve the purpose of the fallen creating it. Due to that restriction, shadow Lasciel cannot just grant Harry any knowledge Harry wants without a price. She has to bargain with Harry and in doing so increase the true fallen ability to influence Harry further. Lash however, has evolve to the point she can shrug off this particular restriction. She is free.
With the restriction gone, , Lash will be a cheat so frodulent Harry might as well become the MC of a Chinese Xuanhuan webnovel. Perfect memory, perfect recall, near perfect observation ability, virtual reality simulation capabilities, and the knowledge throve of a fallen angel. It is too much. This is Harry Dresden, not Leylin Farlier.
Sad though it was, Lash has to go.
I wish Jack Murphy has not died. The series is going more fantasy and less Urban these days. A truly strong and capable vanilla might strengthened the Urban elements.
Lash's death is indeed a shame, but I think it has to be done or the story itself will go unbalance.
In many ways, the shadow of a fallen is actually a far greater cheat compare to having the coin itself. The very reason why the shadow is not that much of a cheat is precisely because the shadow is bound to serve the purpose of the fallen creating it. Due to that restriction, shadow Lasciel cannot just grant Harry any knowledge Harry wants without a price. She has to bargain with Harry and in doing so increase the true fallen ability to influence Harry further. Lash however, has evolve to the point she can shrug off this particular restriction. She is free.
With the restriction gone, , Lash will be a cheat so frodulent Harry might as well become the MC of a Chinese Xuanhuan webnovel. Perfect memory, perfect recall, near perfect observation ability, virtual reality simulation capabilities, and the knowledge throve of a fallen angel. It is too much. This is Harry Dresden, not Leylin Farlier.
Sad though it was, Lash has to go.
I wish Jack Murphy has not died. The series is going more fantasy and less Urban these days. A truly strong and capable vanilla might strengthened the Urban elements.
I would not be surprised if Lash is not dead. I think there is the possibility that in the BAT we will see a showdown between Lasciel, and Lash. Lash's sacrifice will have proven she was an entirely new being, and will have redeemed herself in the eyes of TWG. She will be a new angel, and return in the BAT.
True. It comes down to how possessive (no pun intended) she would be of Harry.