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DF Spoilers / Re: How much information does the WC have
« on: February 20, 2023, 07:48:44 AM »
Oh, no doubt Alfred can jail any of them, I said as much already. But do you think the Blackstaff has never had to track someone in fog? HARRY has done that with Arianna. I don't think that alone is enough. His worst outcome is Harry gets killed. his best outcome is likely that Alfred does manage to get them all before they get off the island. By running to the dock or flying off.

Arianna was in an arena and circling to attack because it was a 1v1 fight. In this scenario, Harry gives Alfred the order and runs away. No staying close, no positioning for an attack, not angling for a better view, he just runs away until Alfred says the job is done. Harry has perfect knowledge of the terrain and can sprint away with no need to watch his footing because of his intellectus. Any WC pursuit won't have these advantages and the terrain will be actively working against them. And all the while, Alfred will be taking them out. Unless they get Harry right at the start of the action, he's going to win. All he has to do is give the order and have Alfred start with Eb. Alfred is going to be doing all the fighting and it has shown to be able to withstand the combined power of both Ladies and the power to take Mab with no prep or binding while on the island.

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DF Spoilers / Re: How much information does the WC have
« on: February 19, 2023, 04:10:19 PM »
Alfred has always been somewhat passive when he is not under order. Remember him letting the fae pound on him? He didn't run Harry off. Yes, Lara and Freydis are faster. And they never got Harry into range of their attacks - they were all hand to hand. So Harry had time. If Harry faced off with the Wardens and SC, he is in range at all times. He zaps Eb and LtW, Mai zaps HIM. He has to take 7 out before they can fire.

Break LOS? First, he has to do it. You think that the Blackstaff never had to find an invisible target and deal with that? Body heat. heatbeat. Echolocation.  If Joe shapeshifts to a bird - he is not ON the island, he is ABOVE it.  All 8 have effective attacks, Lara and Freydis had NONE until they could close.  Alfred seems to be one at a time. Why didn't he scoop up  Corb and a couple of others when he got Ethniu? Because he does one thing at a time. Yes,  harry could fort up, go down into the cell block before the SC arrives, lock the door behind him, and tell Alfred to chase anyone who comes on the island away, and then let harry out. But that is not the same as fighting 3 Senior Council and 4 Wardens likely more on Morgan's level than, say, Carlos.   

I think harry could hole up, and set a perimeter and be very hard to root out on the ground, and impossible in the jail, but once they get on the island? haven't seen an ability to take out a lot of targets. Powerful ones, yes, even Mab, but in small numbers.

Well, at the end of CD, Harry told Alfred to take Mab below and lock her up if she killed him. So even if it's one at a time, none of the WC or wardens can handle that.

And yes, Harry can break LOS pretty easily. All he needs is for Alfred to whip up a fog or sandstorm while he runs into the forest. Then he plays hide and seek for the few minutes it will take Alfred to grab or squish everyone. And that's the key. Harry doesn't have to fight, he just has to give the order to Alfred and survive till the action ends. And his worse outcome is a draw. The WC has a chance to get him with their first shot but Alfred will still get them just as he would have Mab.

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DF Spoilers / Re: How much information does the WC have
« on: February 18, 2023, 09:47:04 PM »
That was against two who, in open combat, he beats easily even in Chicago. Lara lost it. Whamps are not someone who can attack a wizard at a distance and close to hand to hand. Being on Demonreach meant he could do it casually, and subdue them without hurting them.  And two, not 7 or 8, all more powerful than those two. If he attacks the Wardens, LtW and Eb open up, and who knows what Mai may be able to do? And the sinking in the ground - why do we assume LtW is the only shapeshifter? And it would only take one Warden to escape, then when you are against LtW and Eb, both better than you - they get you. Maybe he could face off against them - though the Blackstaff, I don't know. But far from proven.


You're making this all about Harry and assuming that Alfred is passive once Harry starts the action. Lara and Feydis may be weaker, but their reaction speed is better than any warden's and they were sunk without a chance to dodge. Harry can have Alfred bury them repeatedly as soon as they pop up. And all Harry has to do is break LOS from his attackers. He knows their exact locations and they'd have to search for him in a forest of actively hostile terrain, trees swatting them with bone crushing force and every animal trying to gnaw their faces off. It's far more likely that Harry gets the drop on them rather than vice versa. And that's the least Alfred can do, we don;t know what the bigger defenses actually are.

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DF Spoilers / Re: How much information does the WC have
« on: February 17, 2023, 07:06:25 PM »
Just the abilities he demonstrated in PT would have been enough to stave off the Senior Council and Wardens.

Being instantly buried 3 feet under the ground would probably take out most of the Wardens and would have slowed all but EB and LtW severely. He could then take them out using hit and run tactics because he'd always know their exact locations while they would have to search for him though actively hostile terrain.

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DF Spoilers / Re: “You Know What He Was Meant To Be”
« on: February 16, 2023, 05:18:28 PM »
But apparently, being Starborn doesn't make you good or evil, you choose. I mean our two main examples are Rashiid and Drakul. Harry could follow either path.

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DF Spoilers / Re: “You Know What He Was Meant To Be”
« on: February 16, 2023, 03:36:00 PM »
We also may be taking the term "Destroyer" out of context. Coming at it from a Western viewpoint, a Destroyer is generally viewed as "a bad thing" that brings chaos and violence to upend a peaceful society. But in some Eastern belief systems, a Destroyer is a necessary part of the cycle of the universe. They clear away the built up evil and allow for the growth of a new and better future.

Perhaps a "Starborn Destroyer" can go in either of these directions. Free will is an overarching theme of the Dresdenverse. Mab, Uriel and to a lesser extent Vadderung are trying to recruit Harry to the latter view while Nemesis goes for the former. It seems to me that the White Council is more focused on the first interpretation and discounts the possibility of the second. Also, their basic reactions are based on fear rather than hope. They default to killing a potential danger instead of nurturing a potential asset.

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DF Spoilers / Re: How much information does the WC have
« on: February 08, 2023, 04:35:01 PM »
And yet, Ancient Mai didn't seem to be aware of what Demonreach really is, for one example.

(I suppose her scenes on the island might be read as having been dissembling to not speak about it in front of Harry and the other Wardens who aren't cleared to know ... but Harry suddenly acting weirdly confident on that particular ground should have been an excellent reason for someone who understands what the island is and had tried to sentence him to death before to absolutely not step on its ground.)

To me, Demonreach and knowledge about it are the largest plot holes in the Dresdenverse.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Why is Mab trying to change Harry?
« on: February 06, 2023, 04:28:14 PM »
Meanwhile it was Rashid holding down the fort where the real danger was, the Gates..

Rashid could not have done what Ferro did. And Rashid had the majority of Winter's forces, including the big hitters like Lea to help at the Gates. If you go and reread PT, Ferro takes the job of blocking Ethniu and the Formor from using the NeverNever as an assault route solo. In BG, Bob says that the power being used for that threatens the fabric of reality.  The dragons seem akin to the hydroelectric dams of the world. What they do is boring to watch, but just the trickle they let through runs everything and what they are restraining could destroy everything.

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DF Spoilers / Re: How much information does the WC have
« on: February 06, 2023, 04:15:48 PM »
Well, the Senior Council is tasked with protecting humanity from magical abuse. It's kind of their mission statement. So, given that, they should be briefed on all the major magical shenanigans going on in the world. Also, a key part of Senior Council is senior. These are some of the oldest and most powerful wizards around. They have to have forgotten more things than their apprentices know. Enough leaked secrets and much necessarily shared knowledge has to accumulated among them to give them all at least a general look at what's going on. And they each know more about their special interests. I'd say that the ingrained institutional arrogance, lack of unity and risk aversion is the only thing holding them back.

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I'm fairly sure that Thomas knew that Eb was his grandfather as of Changes. Harry explains the Bloodline curse to him in detail and I think it comes up. Would have to check the book to be certain though.

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The only opportunity to tell Eb was the breakfast visit in PT. Right after Harry invoked guest rights on EB, he could have stopped Thomas from leaving and had an impromptu family meeting. Perhaps in Next Book, we'll learn what caused the feud between Eb and the Whamps. I don't even think Lara knows the details of how it became so personal.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry should have trusted Ramirez
« on: January 20, 2023, 08:56:39 PM »
This is the thing that most puzzles me about how people react to Harry. Anybody who researches him has to know that he is on a first name, Christmas dinner, emergency call list basis with all the Knights of the Cross of this past 20 years but they still want to classify him as one step from Kemmler 2.0. The level of distrust in the face of such obvious evidence just baffles me.

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DF Spoilers / Re: The fae slaves
« on: January 12, 2023, 02:49:16 PM »
In CD, Sarissa tells Harry that she has a mental illness and part of her deal with Mab was helping her cope. Since Maeve was her twin, she may have also started out with that same problem.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Why couldn’t Boniea talk to Harry?
« on: January 11, 2023, 11:16:14 PM »
Just a thought also, when Alfred first spoke to Harry, it caused him pain. Bonea was causing Harry's headaches. Maybe that was her trying to talk to Harry but lacking the proper frequency.

Mab knew this but says nothing because she wanted a lever to manipulate Harry. Alfred just doesn't think about these things unless Harry asks. Harry asked how to get Bonea out, not how to communicate. It took a meeting with Id-Harry to introduce her as something other than "the Parasite". Until then Harry didn't know Bonea was potentially a friendly.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Why couldn’t Boniea talk to Harry?
« on: January 11, 2023, 09:55:37 PM »
Alfred can barely communicate with Harry at that point in the story. And she could communicate in a limited way with Id-Harry, just not his conscious mind.

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