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Site Suggestions & Support / Re: (Off Topic) I have to ask...
« on: December 27, 2013, 06:24:01 AM »
Yes, the member had been simply trying to tidy away some of his/her own older threads for neatness and staying current. Now the member will just let older threads age off on their own, onto the second page and afterward.

It turned out to be also a good opportunity to give a little info on why spoilery stuff is best avoided in thread titles, too. That's something which many members who are relatively new to this forum can err on because their thread will be in the spoilers section.
Unless that member uses "Show unread posts since last visit," a member might well not immediately realize that ALL the titles show up in that listing, thus exposing info to people who may not wish to see any potentially spoilery info.

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Thanks, Count, yes, I've been off the forum more than on these past several months. Time demands and all that.
(But when I'm not here, I do miss you guys.)

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Sounds like a very good notion. Voting in favor of the additions.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Dresden Files: Series Timeline
« on: February 06, 2013, 06:12:30 PM »
is there a timeline for the RL stuff? like jim was born, jim wrote(uhh what was that short with murph and the troll?) when in this class on so and so date or even just the release dates?
For the real-life events, organizations and places which have been touched on during the DF, several examples have been mentioned even within this timeline thread, if I remember correctly. Others could be quickly researched.

If you want to collect them up and then share them, either here or opening a thread of its own for them, others might find use for your efforts too. One example of a RL site mentioned: Stroger Hospital was in the planning and funding process for a number of years, then opened its doors December 2002, IIRC. (And by the way, the name of the politician for whom the hospital was named for is pronounced 'Stro jur with accent on the first syllable, not g pronounced like in growl, so I'm assuming that the hospital name is pronounced like its namesake's.)

During a series reread, it can be interesting to note the real world references, although of course it's always necessary to allow for the fact that the actual months when Jim is writing each book naturally have a considerable lead time prior to each's release date. That interval is greatest for the first few books because SF and FM had already been finished, except for final polishing, during the period when Jim had begun negotiating with prospective agents and publishing houses to sell his series.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Dresden Files: Series Timeline
« on: January 20, 2013, 09:22:18 PM »
Jim has told me, "His birthday was actually 1976. I've always meant him to be about five years younger than me."

This may introduce plotholes, but I don't think it's any more hole-y than any other year. :D
Always worth it to hear the word from The One Who Actually Knows This Stuff.


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DF Reference Collection / Re: The YLC (Why Little Chicago) thread
« on: December 05, 2012, 06:56:50 PM »
Title-wise, hare matches the number of letters but Jim is far too savvy to be persuaded into naming it Hare Hole. That would be waaaaayyyy too easy to make rude remarks about and besides, "rabbit hole" immediately taps into Lewis Carroll whimsy whereas hare does not.
         Although actually, the character is the March Hare. He's not a rabbit.

And yes, Serack is right, we can enjoy teasing the wording of a possible title, but that ought not to distract us from Quaras' interesting concept itself. 

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Calendar Event Discussion / Re: Signing in Kansas City, MO 11/29/12
« on: November 30, 2012, 01:57:35 AM »
An upsetting, miserable day for both Jim and Shannon, my prayers are with them both. Here's hoping and trusting that Jim's medical team can ease and resolve it as soon as possible. Sheer misery.

No matter what one's mind may have intended to do, once in a while one's body just plain jumps the queue and outvotes all the other person-pieces. Laid out dog sick is absolutely a rotten thing to have to go through.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Dresden Files: Series Timeline
« on: November 05, 2012, 04:55:51 PM »
This has probably been asked before, but this is a huge thread...

How do we square:
"25 BSF, October 31: Harry is born."   
and:
"0 ASF, March: Storm Front.  Harry is 25, according to Jim, and he's been wizarding professionally for two years.  We can reasonably place the year 0 in the timeline within a year or two of 2000, and there's a fair amount of evidence indicating that it could be 2000."
with:
"AGE 27-28: Storm Front" ?

I'm in favour of the first two, since making him 25 in 2000 is easier for me to remember and calculate from, as we'd share the birth year 1975.
I've usually gone with the context of placing Harry just about a year younger than Jim. I don't know (textev) if that's accurate but it would give Jim the advantage of being also being within a year or so of the same age as Harry during the writing months.  In March 0 ASF, that would set Harry at a few weeks less than 25-1/2. (Yes, I know that sometimes Jim has gone back to set a shortie in an earlier time setting, such as Irwin Pounder's earlier years, but Harry's own timeline in the books seems to roughly echo RL time.)

There can be advantages to writing an urban fantasy character who has seen about as much of the wider world and contemporary events as the author. When one is twenty, there's more of a stretch to make a seventy-five year old character's ideas and outlook, or a three year old's, be consistent with what it's like to really be that age. Often it's done, and very well, but it's just a bit more intentional. When one is twenty-five and one's friends and peers are about the same age, that's a constant reality check. My experiences, my norms, are effectively considerably different than are those of someone far older or far younger. We've grown up in different worlds, because of time and events we've experienced.

For my guesstimate that JB 26 Oct 1971 would parallel Harry Dresden 31 Oct 197x, Storm Front was written during his coursework with Debbie Chester at OU, Norman, Oklahoma. Storm Front was published in 2000, but SF and FM were ready and I think GP also finished or nearly so, by the time SF hit the shelves. From that, I'd guess that Dresden's birth year would be more in the 1971 to 1974 range rather than all the way to 1975. Just guessing.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: The YLC (Why Little Chicago) thread
« on: September 18, 2012, 10:14:24 PM »
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Which allusion ?

Lash telling Harry about the ingredients for the Darkhallow, I was slightly misremembering: DB, pb, p.373, Harry reports it to Butters and we don't see it directly. (I suspect there is something in there we need not to see, fwiw.). "The last several years have seen some serious magical turbulence around Chicago.  Kemmler's disciples can put the turbulence to work for them too." is the line I am reading as indicating that the boundary between our world and the NN is still in flux, and that that is being useful to Kemmlerites, and that that could have been planned by Mavra

If you mean the Unseelie Incursion of 199-something when Milwaukee vanished, I am pretty sure it's in SF but it's an aside of Harry's and I'm not at all sure where in the text; maybe we should ask one of our betas with searchable e-texts.
Not a beta, and in terms of the weakened barrier these may not be what you were looking for, but here goes for what they're worth:
- Storm Front, chapter five, paperback p. 57 in my edition: ..."the Unseelie Incursion of 1994, when the entire city of Milwaukee had vanished for two hours. Gone."

- In Dead Beat, I don't remember any explicit discussions about whether the barrier between worlds has continued to be weaker than it ought to be ever since GP, but that's not to say that it isn't in the text somewhere. What I do remember is in chapter three, paperback p. 33 in my edition, Bob and Harry discuss how the Nightmare and Bianca had tormented ghosts to weaken the barrier leading up to that Halloween. And in chapter ten, paperback p. 106-continuing in my edition, Mort tells Harry that he himself has been having dreams which is an unusual occurrence for him, and that ghosts won't talk to him about what they're sensing, which usually means they're being made very upset about black magical workings. And in chapter twenty-six, Harry and Thomas talk about the past few days' disruptions to weaken the barrier but don't specifically say that the barrier has been kept abnormally weak ever since GP.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: The YLC (Why Little Chicago) thread
« on: September 17, 2012, 04:16:59 PM »
Don't we have WoJ that it really is just Harry's influence?
Bob is, well, more like a paint in a paint store. That is, there is a basic hue (which color it is), but its specific color will change depending on whether another hue or more white or more black gets mixed in. From that standpoint, Kemmler-Bob was colder, more inhuman, more power-hungry. Justin-Bob was probably along those same lines but quite likely was less intensively so. Harry-Bob was a bigger change; snarky wit, and his sex dial turned up to nine-plus or ten like a sixteen-year-old boy's often is. Less rote obedience, and more boldness bravely asking for / bargaining for freedoms and perks.

Butters values pure knowledge and reason more than Harry does, is an adult man instead of a teen, and is brave but in quite a different way than is Harry. Bob will still have a core spirit of Bob-ness, but it's in his nature to have become significantly different now with Butters than he was with Dresden.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: The YLC (Why Little Chicago) thread
« on: September 16, 2012, 12:19:37 PM »
I've had a thought on the "Who Fixed Little Chicago?" question, and my current front runner is...
...Bob
Of everybody/thing that we've seen by that point, Bob fills the Means/Motive/Opportunity requirements the best.

Means:
We have from Bob that building Little Chicago is something very few individuals could do. Whoever fixed it needed to have a lot of magical/thaumaturgical knowledge as well as an intimate, working knowledge of LC to know that there was a flaw, let alone fix it. That eliminates most of the Mortal world, and Nevernever.

Bob, however, helped Harry build it and was there every step of the way. He probably even had a direct "hand" in some of the really fine, fiddly bits.

Opportunity:
Anything that would want to fix LC would have to be able to cross Harry's threshold AND circumvent his wards... and a very stubborn steel door. We also know that Harry doesn't have any mirrors in his apartment, denying easy access to those who can/do use them. They'd also have to know about Harry's lab (all things considered, not a HUGE hurdle, but the trap door IS cleverly hidden by a throw rug).

None of that matters for Bob, as he is already inside, in the lab (where, by the by, he would have seen anyone who came in).

Also, Bob knows about LC. At this point in the story, very few people know about it... Basically limited to Harry, Bob, and maybe Thomas & Mouse. If you don't even know about it, how can you know that it has a fatal (literally) flaw that needs to be fixed, or how to fix it?
The "Means" part eliminates Mouse (no thumbs) and Thomas (doesn't know enough). Harry didn't fix it because he didn't know it was broken.
That leaves Bob.

Motive:
This one is sticky. I can't come up with a clear motive for Bob, other than he likes Harry, and doesn't want Harry or himself to get blowed up.

Now, here's the sticky part.

Mab

She's the queen of Air and Darkness. Bob is an Air spirit. I'm WAGing that perhaps Mab was able to speak to Bob, whose nature and history puts him in her domain, and told him that LC would or could go BOOM! if Harry tried to use it, and had (commanded) him to fix it.

While I'm WAGing I'll throw out two more:
1) Mab did this while tending to Lea's "garden" during Lea's "Reeducation", and fulfilling Lea's duty of watching out for Harry.

2) All beings on the order of power that Mab is don't see time in the same manner as mortals. I'm guessing that she has a similar perspective as Uriel (ie: time isn't linear, like driving in a car, but laid out to see in its entirety, like a street map). She either saw that it would explode, or looked in and saw that they missed something.

Now, as to why Bob doesn't seem to remember this. I think that it was actually another aspect of Bob's personality that we haven't seen onscreen yet, that Bob may not know about himself (like Evil Bob), and Mab was talking to THAT Bob.

We know Bob has a significant history in Winter, and specifically with Mab. We also know that parts of him are hidden, even from himself (like Evil Bob). I think it could be possible that there's a "Winter Bob" from his time in Winter.

One more possible cluebat: When talking about it afterwards, Bob repeatedly refers to whoever fixed it as "He". Bob could have said "They" to account for the fact that it could have been female (or identified itself as such), or could have been plural.
The repeated "he" could have been Bob's subconscious (or however that works for spirits) way of telling Harry that he did it.
We know that Harry has met his other self. It could be Harry-Id or it could be Harry from another dimension. It seems equally logical if there is a Harry in another dimension then there would equally likely be a Bob there also. And if alterna-Bob and/or alterna-Harry saw the fatal flaw in Little Chicago, wouldn't they be motivated to fix the LC in their dimension /and/ the one in our dimension? (For convenience's sake, if I say Bob or Harry, it's the one we know; alterna- will mean the one(s) in one or more other dimensions.) It hasn't been part of Bob's responsibilities to stop intruders. In fact, Bob doesn't even have the right to defend his own skull, to be allowed to actively resist being taken against his will. So if Harry's lab was accessed by alterna-Harry or alterna-Bob or Mab, Bob would observe that as it happened but wouldn't and couldn't prevent it. Depending on how much alike alterna-Harry's life is, compared to Harry's, would alterna-Harry have either the knowledge to negate the wards in the same way that Harry does, or at least enough mutual memory to construct for himself the same kind of entry-talisman that Harry has provided in the past to Thomas and Anastasia?

In terms of Mab, she would have at least two strong motivations. One is obligation, another is possessiveness. Lea promised Margaret to look out for Harry's best interests. Getting blown to bits would clearly not be that, so snuffing out the risk from flawed LC could very likely, in Sidhe logic, be considered as part of being proxy for Lea. And Mab would probably approach from the Nevernever rather than the street entrance, although either one could be done. For possessiveness, Mab wants Harry for her WK. For years she deprived herself of any useful Knight service from Slate or from a potential replacement because she waited to get Harry. Thus, fixing LC would be quite reasonable to Mab so that Harry wouldn't use it and get killed by doing so, either prior to become her Knight or during his service. 

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DF Reference Collection / Re: The YLC (Why Little Chicago) thread
« on: September 15, 2012, 01:52:19 AM »
...  I seem to remember the battle at the end of SK (and I think the spot Lea took him) being referred to as something like "Chicago above Chicago" or something like that...  But it was a 1:1 scale I think...
SK chap. 23, paperback p. 264. When Harry realized that they were apparently on the clouds, Lea answered his questions as, "This is the world between, the sometimes place. Where Chicago and Faerie meet, overlap. Chicago-Over-Chicago, if you like. This is the place the Queens call forth when the Sidhe desire to spill blood."  Harry saw it as the land which underlies Chicago and the water of the lake. Once Harry imagined the buildings he knew, Harry was envisioning the Chicago he himself lived in. It seems reasonable that Harry mentally constructed them as full-size buildings, not a miniaturized scale version.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: The top selling books in the Dresdenverse
« on: August 31, 2012, 10:09:49 PM »
200 Is The New 20  by Anastasia Luccio, published by Wizardworld Press

A Hot Day, A Cold Beer, Ka-Bam!  Maximizing Your Persuasive Assets  by Molly Carpenter

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Site Suggestions & Support / Re: paying up for the forums
« on: August 31, 2012, 12:22:51 AM »
Ok, so I may be completely wrong here, but I think I've figured out a replacement method that works for the Barnes and Noble website/Nook books.

Sample link: Original Cold Days link - http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/cold-days-jim-butcher/1112694713?ean=9781611761603&cm_mmc=AFFILIATES-_-Linkshare-_-PTGUYWzr6O8-_-10%3a1&

Link to a new book - http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/dead-past-beverly-connor/1018064310?cm_mmc=affiliates-_-linkshare-_-ptguywzr6o8-_-10%3a1&ean=9781101042083

In this link, the number 9781611761603 is the ISBN number. And the alphanumeric code PTGUYWzr6O8-_-10%3a1& is the affiliate ID that earns the $$ for the site. I tried replacing just the ISBN in that link with a new ISBN, and when the page refreshes, information for the new book shows up, but with the affiliate ID still remains the same. So I'd think that just replacing the ISBN should be enough. Iago should be able to confirm this theory (or knock it out of the park and call me crazy  :P ).[/color]
Spot, if your workaround can pull this off so that more purchases can get referral compensation as well as the specific ones directly listed in Jim's store, that will be great.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: The top selling books in the Dresdenverse
« on: August 30, 2012, 08:22:03 PM »
The Jim Butcher Files - by Harry Dresden.
^^^
Quite a few have made me grin but this one's prime indeed.

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