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Author Craft / Re: Dialogue - Observations and Thoughts...
« on: February 02, 2007, 09:57:23 PM »
On the other hand, you can overdo this.

Try taping [ or otherwise recording, yeef, my age is showing - see, clue about character in casual dialogue right there in in a single word use ] casual conversation with real people, and then play it back and listen to it. It will be full of umms and ahs and pauses and repetitions and sentence fragments and the general cumulative effect, while perfectly comprehensible spoken, is unlikely to be something that, if it were transcribed accurately, any reader could bear with for any length of time.

You're right. Casual, unplanned conversation usually does have pauses and such. What we were suggesting is to read your own writing out loud. If you haven't put a lot of pauses and ums on the page, this shouldn't be an issue. :)

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Author Craft / Re: Dialogue - Observations and Thoughts...
« on: February 02, 2007, 04:18:23 PM »
So you get dialogue like this:

"Marty, I know you want to kidnap Tina Grandchamp because of the way her father, who employed you for five years, treated you, but don't you think her fiance, the FBI agent, will come after you?"
"No, Ted, because I am an ex-FBI agent myself and I know all the tactics they will use to catch me."

Everyone got bumps on their noggins from being smacked in the head with all that info?  If Marty knows, and he knows Ted knows, why would he ever ask him that stuff?   If you need to convey that information, do it either in prose near the dialogue, or for god's sake, be subtle.

This is commonly referred to as, "As you know, Bob..."  Your examples on how to fix it were great and it's really important information. Nicely done.

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- If the character's well-educated, remove as many of the contractions from their speech as possible, without driving yourself nuts.

This however... ;) Kidding, just kidding. I would amend it a bit, though. I know very highly educated people and they still use contractions. Unless you have a character who is always formal, is *in* an extremely formal setting or speaking very deliberately, either for effect or because they're irritated or what have you, I'd warn against taking out contractions.

Even the upper crust of the crusties use contractions, after all.  :)

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- And the oldest saw of all when it comes to writing dialogue, read it out loud.  Listen to yourself say the words.  Do you sound like you wanted the character to sound?

This is the gem of all gems. Do this. You may feel like a fool for reading out loud, but it's so important. If you trip over words or feel like there are too many syllables for the situation, odds are good the reader will too.


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Author Craft / Re: Word count and whatnot
« on: November 09, 2006, 04:13:13 PM »
So far, I've been averaging about 12 pages (6000 words) per chapter.    It's all single spaced in MS Word.

Does this sound too long for chapter length?

As you said, there is no rule. There are a few guidelines, depending on what genre you're writing. For me, as a romance writer, I tend to stick to about 12-15 double spaced pages. That's close to "average".  If you're writing fantasy or sf or mystery or something, that number could change.

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Also, I was wondering what the ratio of word processor page to published book page is.  Like, does one MS Word page equal one published book page?  I'm a little confused when agents or publishers ask for a 5 page minimum submission or something like that.  Does that mean five pages of Word, or five equivelant book pages?

SMF (Standard Manuscript Format) is generally considered to be Courier or Courier New 12pt font, double spaced, with 1" margins all around. If that's what you're using, you get approximately 250 words/page, which is book equivalent.  This would mean that, yes, they're asking for 5 pages in your submission.

The important thing, of course, is to check the publisher or agent's guidelines. They may want some other kind of format, or go by computer word count, etc, and that could change what you turn in.

Hope that helps.

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Author Craft / Re: Bloody Research
« on: November 07, 2006, 11:08:53 PM »
There's a fantastic group on Yahoo called crimescenewriter that was started as a resource for people to ask medical and/or crime scene questions for use in their fiction books. All free, and there are a number of professionals or former professionals there. I believe that Wally, the owner, is a retired CSI.

You can join it here: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/crimescenewriter/

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Author Craft / Re: Published Author On Board
« on: November 07, 2006, 08:05:35 PM »

I haven't been around a lot, because my life got crazy (in good ways!), but I'm still a big Jim fan, so I hope I'm welcome to come back and say hey, I'm published too! :)

Currently e-published, but always working toward the first big break into print. I write romance of various flavors (suspense, contemporary, paranormal) and fantasy/sf novels. 

So, hi!

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