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Title: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Rasins on January 03, 2018, 05:32:16 PM
Harry's blasting rod is described as having runes carved into it.

We know he pumps power into it to shoot fire.  But, does it have some power of it's own, with the runes and all?
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Darkest-Before-Dawn on January 03, 2018, 05:51:46 PM
More likely the runes allow it to be used as a conduit for magical energy, as opposed to just a pretty, pointy stick. Same for his staff. There's also the investment of energy and emotion into the actual carving which gives it an affinity to Harry and his magic. The runes are attuned to the way Harry views magic, much like Carlos's Olmec theme to his glove in White Night.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Rasins on January 03, 2018, 06:57:29 PM
I hear you, but .... Harry's staff has been observed to be stronger than just the wood.  He mentioned once that using it for magic has made it stronger.  I was just wondering if his blasting rod would get something like that too.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Sterling Rat on January 03, 2018, 08:13:35 PM
Harry's blasting rod was broken in Blood Rights and there was no mention of it being stronger than a regular stick.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Mr. Death on January 03, 2018, 08:17:48 PM
Harry's staff is made of oak -- which is already a very hard, very heavy type of wood. I don't recall it ever being mentioned that the workings make the actual wood physically stronger, but six feet of oak is already pretty darn strong.

If you mean magical power, they both act as foci -- specially made to help Harry shape his magic more effectively and with more strength. On their own, they don't have strength (i.e., someone else without magic couldn't pick them up and blast something), but the power they do have is meant to strengthen Harry's own.

Think of it like this -- if Harry is a handgun, his staff and rod are an attachable stock and laser sight.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: jonas on January 03, 2018, 08:28:09 PM
I hear you, but .... Harry's staff has been observed to be stronger than just the wood.  He mentioned once that using it for magic has made it stronger.  I was just wondering if his blasting rod would get something like that too.
Technically his staff is stronger when he's directly channeling kinetics with it or otherwise reinforcing it. Blasting rod is all fire I think. The multipurpose nature of the staff gives it that fringe benefit.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Viktor on January 04, 2018, 05:21:07 AM
Harry's staff is made of oak -- which is already a very hard, very heavy type of wood. I don't recall it ever being mentioned that the workings make the actual wood physically stronger, but six feet of oak is already pretty darn strong.

It hasn't been mentioned that the /workings/ make the wood physically stronger, but Harry has used his staff + spell (Forzare) to bend metal bars (Fool Moon, p. 175 kindle edition). He also stated later that "Of all my foci, the staff was the most versatile. Meant simply to assist with the redirection of forces I could use to call wind, to bend steel bars, and to channel lightning." (Blood Rites p. 376 kindle edition).

So I think that no, the runes themselves don't give it power, but by channeling power through the Staff, he can make it stronger (see him crushing the "xenomorph" skull in the hallway in Proven Guilty). He probably can't do that with his blasting rod since it's made solely to focus his fire magic in evocation spells.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: groinkick on January 04, 2018, 06:54:09 PM
This is just my opinion, but here goes.

I believe the runes were a type of way the wizard is able to push his intentions onto the magical tool.  The runes on the blasting rod were Harry's way of making the object understand his will.  It's kind of like when he uses words for spells.  The words themselves don't matter, as long as to the caster they carrying meaning.  I feel the same way about the runes.  He's pouring his focus into them as he carves them so that the magical tool is more efficient at pouring out that specific form of magic.

The staff is an all around good tool, but not great in any one thing while the blasting rod has one very specific purpose.  Harry made those intentions clear when he put the runes in.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Rasins on January 04, 2018, 07:04:49 PM
I can buy the argument that his staff is stronger when he is using it, like in FM.  And I can buy that when it's not being used for magical purposes, it's just a hunk of wood.

I wonder if his blasting rod is any more sturdy when he's using it too.

We know he's made several, and that it's not all that strong when not being used.  I'm thinking of when Inari broke it over his head in Blood Rites, but I wonder about when he's using it.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: groinkick on January 04, 2018, 08:13:08 PM
I can buy the argument that his staff is stronger when he is using it, like in FM.  And I can buy that when it's not being used for magical purposes, it's just a hunk of wood.

I wonder if his blasting rod is any more sturdy when he's using it too.

We know he's made several, and that it's not all that strong when not being used.  I'm thinking of when Inari broke it over his head in Blood Rites, but I wonder about when he's using it.

Belief, will, desire are powerful.  I would not be surprised if Harry's need/will/belief would be enough to make the staff stronger.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Ananda on January 05, 2018, 04:08:54 AM
With all this discussion of Dresden’s rod, I’m hoping for a fifty shades book after peace talks now.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: wardenferry419 on January 05, 2018, 09:55:43 AM
Forget that "thy rod and thy staff" stuff; it is my rod or my staff (depending on my level of excitement) that comfort me.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Rasins on January 05, 2018, 05:12:04 PM
With all this discussion of Dresden’s rod, I’m hoping for a fifty shades book after peace talks now.

LOL ... if you're interested in that ... you might look up the other Butcher author.  Shannon Butcher.

While I've never read her stuff, as I understand it, those are her kind of books.

Not necessarily BDSM type of stuff, but along those lines.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Ananda on January 06, 2018, 01:29:36 AM
LOL ... if you're interested in that ... you might look up the other Butcher author.  Shannon Butcher.

While I've never read her stuff, as I understand it, those are her kind of books.

Not necessarily BDSM type of stuff, but along those lines.
I don’t actually read that type of stuff. I did read Fifty Shades of Grey, though. A friend of mine went on and on about it, so I read it to know what I was missing. It turned out that what I was missing was the most poorly written book I’d ever forced myself to read. There was one line in there that is hilarious, though. It’s a bit sexy, so I’ll put it in spoiler thingie.

(click to show/hide)

In this genre, though, the erotic novel, Anne Rice has written some good ones. I haven’t read them since I was 22 or so, but I remember them being well done.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: wardenferry419 on January 06, 2018, 08:10:04 PM
My wife read it; was not impressed.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Ananda on January 07, 2018, 02:51:46 AM
My wife read it; was not impressed.
It’s funny because it’s so objectively bad, but the author made (I think) around 50million USD from the books. The series began as Twilight fan fiction and she’d never written anything beforehand. Also, all the bdsm in the series was just her fantasy, not based on any real life experience. If only I could be as terrible a writer as she!
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Kindler on January 08, 2018, 03:15:45 PM
I read that and the Twilight books as part of my "studies" as a college professor in an attempt to stay in touch with what the youth reads. The writing (in both, mind you) was so pathetically awful that I briefly lost all faith in the coming generation. Then my students agreed it was bad, and I felt better about the future. Also, having read Twilight, I understand the crossover between fans; they're both simply dreadful, in mechanic construction, plot, and characterization that if you're a fan of crap, you'll be a fan of both.

As far as Harry's staff, he mentions that he and Ebenezer's are from a lightning-struck oak. Eb specifically mentions giving him another "blank" from that tree, so I'm assuming all of Harry's staves are made from that same tree. It's odd, because most trees are killed when struck by lightning; they explode, or they're injured so severely that they die (but will survive for a while). If the outside of the tree is soaked from the rain, it's possible that the lightning flashes over it, which could char the outside.

Regardless, lightning-struck trees are generally regarded as weaker than ones that are not. If it is stronger than standard oak, it must be as a result of magic channeled through it. Harry's got big hands, and he mentions being able to wrap his whole hand around it. Judging from a height of 6'9" (which I've seen here) that would give it a circumference no greater than 8.91 inches. That puts its diameter somewhere around 2.8 inches or less, unless I've forgotten what math is. I'd figure it's about two and a half inches across. For reference, regulation baseball bats are no greater than 2.61 inches across at its thickest.

Anyway, that's a whole lot of wood. Wouldn't weigh much either; American Red Oak is dense, but not that dense. Probably somewhere around ten pounds if it's six feet long. But yeah, it's got heft.

Meanwhile, his blasting rod is frequently stated to be as thick as his thumb, so it's pretty narrow. I always thought of it as more of a magic wand that he called a rod because it sounded more buff.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Mr. Death on January 08, 2018, 04:46:32 PM
A while ago, I made a blasting rod for a cosplay, and I think it's pretty close.

(http://as.crowdedstreet.net/Props1.jpg)

So I figure a wand is typically something thinner, like maybe the width of a pinky.

(Unfortunately, the main event I cosplay at -- Magfest -- is in Maryland and the blasting rod falls under billy club laws, so I can't carry it at the con. The nearly-six-feet length of holly I made into a staff, however, is perfectly safe, apparently)
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Kindler on January 08, 2018, 05:01:10 PM
A while ago, I made a blasting rod for a cosplay, and I think it's pretty close.

So I figure a wand is typically something thinner, like maybe the width of a pinky.

(Unfortunately, the main event I cosplay at -- Magfest -- is in Maryland and the blasting rod falls under billy club laws, so I can't carry it at the con. The nearly-six-feet length of holly I made into a staff, however, is perfectly safe, apparently)

That's pretty cool. Nice carving work.

I have an old, illegal-as-anything-but-an-antique billy club cops in Brooklyn used to carry in the fifties, with a thick cylinder of freaking lead in the middle. That one I can understand, but yours doesn't look particularly dangerous. Whatever, laws, amirite?

And yeah, I'd suppose the blasting rod is thicker than a wand might be; we don't have a description of Molly's pair, at least not their dimensions (does he call one of them "anemic," or am I thinking of a different story altogether?), which, as far as I can remember, are the only ones shown on page. (For the record, I still think that the term "blasting rod" is made up by Harry because it's manlier than "wand.")
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Mr. Death on January 08, 2018, 05:12:16 PM
That's pretty cool. Nice carving work.
Thanks! I did it with a wood burner, and the runes read (phonetically) "AIM AWAY FROM FACE."

The runes on the staff read, "Not all those who wander are lost." I figured Harry would appreciate the Tolkien.

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I have an old, illegal-as-anything-but-an-antique billy club cops in Brooklyn used to carry in the fifties, with a thick cylinder of freaking lead in the middle. That one I can understand, but yours doesn't look particularly dangerous. Whatever, laws, amirite?
Yeah, it was kinda silly -- the guy who told me about it said the way the law is worded, the little souvenir baseball bats you'd get at a game are illegal, but an actual bat is perfectly fine to carry around.

Sorta like how after 9/11, they banned knives on planes based on length, so a 3" razor sharp utility knife was fine, but an 8" butter knife was not.

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And yeah, I'd suppose the blasting rod is thicker than a wand might be; we don't have a description of Molly's pair, at least not their dimensions (does he call one of them "anemic," or am I thinking of a different story altogether?), which, as far as I can remember, are the only ones shown on page. (For the record, I still think that the term "blasting rod" is made up by Harry because it's manlier than "wand.")
I did get the sense that hers were more "traditional" wands, like the sticks with crystals you see in occult shops and such.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Kindler on January 08, 2018, 08:37:18 PM
Thanks! I did it with a wood burner, and the runes read (phonetically) "AIM AWAY FROM FACE."

That made me snork coffee out of my nose.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Rasins on January 09, 2018, 07:10:35 PM
It’s funny because it’s so objectively bad, but the author made (I think) around 50million USD from the books. The series began as Twilight fan fiction and she’d never written anything beforehand. Also, all the bdsm in the series was just her fantasy, not based on any real life experience. If only I could be as terrible a writer as she!

I know some folks who are into that lifestyle.  They all, to a person, say that book and the movie were crap.  Not just not well done, but just WRONG.

I laugh at this. 

Does it matter?  It raised awareness and made the author some money. 
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Rasins on January 09, 2018, 07:12:51 PM
A while ago, I made a blasting rod for a cosplay, and I think it's pretty close.

(http://as.crowdedstreet.net/Props1.jpg)

So I figure a wand is typically something thinner, like maybe the width of a pinky.

(Unfortunately, the main event I cosplay at -- Magfest -- is in Maryland and the blasting rod falls under billy club laws, so I can't carry it at the con. The nearly-six-feet length of holly I made into a staff, however, is perfectly safe, apparently)

I think that's way cool
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Mr. Death on January 09, 2018, 07:54:27 PM
I know some folks who are into that lifestyle.  They all, to a person, say that book and the movie were crap.  Not just not well done, but just WRONG.

I laugh at this. 

Does it matter?  It raised awareness and made the author some money.
From what I understand, Gray is less of a BDSM dream man and more of an abusive stalker (https://theramblingcurl.blogspot.com/2014/02/fifty-abusive-moments-in-fifty-shades.html).

Seriously, you don't have to change the script much to turn it into a horror story.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Kindler on January 09, 2018, 08:26:09 PM
From what I understand, Gray is less of a BDSM dream man and more of an abusive stalker (https://theramblingcurl.blogspot.com/2014/02/fifty-abusive-moments-in-fifty-shades.html).

Seriously, you don't have to change the script much to turn it into a horror story.

Just change the soundtrack. Ditto Twilight.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: wardenferry419 on January 09, 2018, 09:13:05 PM
I can see that. Twilight with original music by Rob Zombie.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Talby16 on January 09, 2018, 11:19:51 PM
A while ago, I made a blasting rod for a cosplay, and I think it's pretty close.

(http://as.crowdedstreet.net/Props1.jpg)

So I figure a wand is typically something thinner, like maybe the width of a pinky.

(Unfortunately, the main event I cosplay at -- Magfest -- is in Maryland and the blasting rod falls under billy club laws, so I can't carry it at the con. The nearly-six-feet length of holly I made into a staff, however, is perfectly safe, apparently)

Out of curiosity, what is the blasting rod made out of?
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Ananda on January 09, 2018, 11:29:03 PM
I know some folks who are into that lifestyle.  They all, to a person, say that book and the movie were crap.  Not just not well done, but just WRONG.

I laugh at this. 

Does it matter?  It raised awareness and made the author some money.
Jepp, that’s true. I had a friend who was into that scene and I’d occasionally go to those types of parties with her because you need to try everything once or thrice in life. ;P The stuff in the books was just the middle aged writer’s sex fantasies based on nothing. The nonsense that Anastasia Steele and Christian Grey get up to is pretty boring and is missing all of the things like safewords. (And, yes, those are really the names of the characters! Anastasia bites her lip nonstop as well and it drives Christian mad with lust. Need to try that trick next time I meet a bdsm billionaire.)
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Mr. Death on January 09, 2018, 11:45:15 PM
Out of curiosity, what is the blasting rod made out of?
A pine dowel from Home Depot.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Rasins on January 10, 2018, 12:40:27 AM
So .... I'm a big supporter of Boy Scouts, and this last summer was my 9th year going to the same summer camp.  This camp has big meaning for me.

While I was there, I was allowed to harvest three small oak trees.  I gave one to my son (who went to camp with me the first 7 times) and kept the other two.

I'm letting them dry out now, but will begin my carving of them, probably summer of 2020.  Though I'll admit, I'm a bit impatient, and I may start one of them at summer camp THIS summer.

They each are about 6 feet long, but they'll be trimmed down a bit.

I'm saying this because I plan on acquiring some more oak from here to carve a blasting rod.

Any suggestions for where I can find the types of runes for the carvings?
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Mr. Death on January 10, 2018, 02:15:17 AM
http://sunnyway.com/runes/meanings.html This is the site I used. Gives you the phonetics and the meanings behind the runes.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: wardenferry419 on January 10, 2018, 09:49:43 AM
I found this picture.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: wardenferry419 on January 10, 2018, 09:51:51 AM
Or this one.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Rasins on January 10, 2018, 07:14:54 PM
I like those ... thanks a lot.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Kindler on January 10, 2018, 07:17:50 PM
I like those ... thanks a lot.

Making your own Traditional Ozark Folk Art, huh?  ;D
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Quantus on January 10, 2018, 07:24:46 PM
If Im not mistaken the runes that appear on the covers' staffs are actually Japanese kanji, fwiw. 
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Mr. Death on January 10, 2018, 08:25:14 PM
Yeah, I think they spell out "MATRIX," from what I've heard.

I want to say Harry uses Norse runes in his stuff -- at the least, in Heorot he says he's familiar with them. I don't remember if there's a more explicit reference to what's on his staff.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Mr. Death on January 10, 2018, 08:37:42 PM
In Small Favor, Eldest Gruff's staff is described as "carved with runes that looked almost precisely like my own." Dunno how accurate it is, but Eldest Gruff's picture in the DFRPG book (https://pre00.deviantart.net/7057/th/pre/f/2011/072/e/f/rpg_gruffs_by_priscellie-d3bl3hh.jpg) has Futhark runes on it. Phonetically, they spell, "Donuts are tasty."

A description of the Stone Table in Summer Knight: "Writing writhed across the surface of the stone, runes that looked a little familiar. Norse, maybe?"

Every other reference to Harry's staff just uses "runes" without giving further description.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Kindler on January 11, 2018, 05:41:20 PM
Phonetically, they spell, "Donuts are tasty."

That is hilarious.

I always assumed he made up his own (assuming intent applies to enchantment), or else copied them off McCoy. Would McCoy use Celtic/Gaelic/Anglo-Saxon runic alphabets? Or would the runes he picked be whole-word substitutes rather than alphabetic (hieroglyphs, Kanji, that sort of thing)?
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Mr. Death on January 11, 2018, 06:00:54 PM
That is hilarious.

I always assumed he made up his own (assuming intent applies to enchantment), or else copied them off McCoy. Would McCoy use Celtic/Gaelic/Anglo-Saxon runic alphabets? Or would the runes he picked be whole-word substitutes rather than alphabetic (hieroglyphs, Kanji, that sort of thing)?
Probably depends on who McCoy's master was, and so on. McCoy might be Scottish, but his Master-Apprentice chain stretches back to Merlin...

... who was rumored to be taught by Odin.

So yeah, I can believe that Harry learned Norse runes from McCoy, who learned them from his Master, etc.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Talby16 on January 11, 2018, 08:32:13 PM
I always assume Norse runes when I thought of the staff/rod. However, Harry had prime opportunities to compare his runes to Norse runes when Gard uses her rune based magic and doesn't.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Quantus on January 11, 2018, 09:04:07 PM
I always assume Norse runes when I thought of the staff/rod. However, Harry had prime opportunities to compare his runes to Norse runes when Gard uses her rune based magic and doesn't.
I wondered that once myself when I went looking for non-norse Runic sets/alphabets, but best I could find the term "rune" is (historically in RL) only used to refer to the europe and/or the germaic regions.  Even Runology is specifically a sub-section of Germanic Linguistics.  Meaning all Runes are technically Norse Runes.  There are plenty of fictional runic alphabets, but not many actual languages, and none outside Europe.  Of course I couldnt begin to explain a functional difference between runes and the other various alphabets and pictoforms of the world.


Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Ananda on January 12, 2018, 04:26:39 AM
You guys seem pretty good at wood stuff. What do you with these creations once they’re complete?
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: groinkick on January 12, 2018, 04:37:23 AM
You guys seem pretty good at wood stuff. What do you with these creations once they’re complete?

(https://media.giphy.com/media/xT1XGJc61NFSqcDkGY/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: wardenferry419 on January 12, 2018, 10:18:16 AM
Guys and their wood is a special bond.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Quantus on January 12, 2018, 12:57:13 PM
You guys seem pretty good at wood stuff. What do you with these creations once they’re complete?
Practice Pyromancy, clearly ;-P
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Mr. Death on January 12, 2018, 01:33:14 PM
I always assume Norse runes when I thought of the staff/rod. However, Harry had prime opportunities to compare his runes to Norse runes when Gard uses her rune based magic and doesn't.
He does, in fact -- he looks at her stuff and remarks that he's familiar with Norse runes, but that he doesn't recognize Gard's runes.

And when Gard describes one of her rune tokens, it doesn't sound like any Norse rune I'm familiar with.

You guys seem pretty good at wood stuff. What do you with these creations once they’re complete?
That blasting rod and one staff of mine usually end up as cosplay props. The holly staff is too heavy (and pretty!) to hike with.

My other woodworking I use as walking sticks when I hike (well, one or two I use, I'm trying to sell the others).
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Ananda on January 12, 2018, 01:52:57 PM
Can you post more pics of the stuff you’ve made?

In regards to the books, this made me wonder about the staff Dresden uses. He must have a rubber thingie on the bottom given he uses it in urban settings where bare hard wood would create lack of traction while walking with it.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Mr. Death on January 12, 2018, 02:12:08 PM
Can you post more pics of the stuff you’ve made?

In regards to the books, this made me wonder about the staff Dresden uses. He must have a rubber thingie on the bottom given he uses it in urban settings where bare hard wood would create lack of traction while walking with it.
More of the stuff is here: http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,39380.0.html

Some of the photos seem to be not working anymore, though.

Here's photos of my other sticks:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwPUH3x69zQrbjFoWkI2MHRvN28

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwPUH3x69zQrWC1XQTM0ZUF6N0E

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwPUH3x69zQrbUpwUUZ6dFRxOHM

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwPUH3x69zQrSVpIWFR4QXdWSEU

https://www.dropbox.com/s/renaghvspz82jvl/MC_IX.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c2ff83g5w6i1w7t/MC_XV.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wc3e3gkoxrf4hv8/MC_XVI.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fcq8aq4334ofc15/MC_XVII.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tgymcu5qo2b7w6a/MC_XVIII.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/07kzymt8zmwazuj/MC_XXI.JPG?dl=0
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Ananda on January 12, 2018, 02:56:15 PM
Nice, thanks for sharing those. I liked the colouration on the staff on the new one.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Mr. Death on January 12, 2018, 03:08:09 PM
Nice, thanks for sharing those. I liked the colouration on the staff on the new one.
Thanks! It's all natural color -- all I do is rub it down with Danish oil, which brings it out.
Title: Re: Harry's Blasting Rod
Post by: Rasins on January 12, 2018, 11:58:16 PM
Making your own Traditional Ozark Folk Art, huh?  ;D

EXACTLY...

Well, sort of.  Technically our camp is in "The Ozark Mountains", but it's really the Osage Valley.  But Absolutely I'll claim it.