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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: wardenferry419 on November 14, 2017, 11:11:35 AM
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Just thought I would start threads for what is to come. PT is next so has the most info; others maybe not so much.
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Does, "the book will actually be written" count as a rumor at this point?
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Think positive! We know that there is a conference. That Thomas has a situation. And, I strongly expect Papa Raith to be publicly replaced.
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Well we know that Thomas' issues will be more than just Justine's pregnancy...
There was a question to Jim in Salt Lake City asking if Thomas would ever wield one of the Swords again and Jim says "maybe, if he still has his fingers? That this book is being rough on Thomas..."
With the healing he gets from his demon, wouldn't that allow him to regenerate fingers?
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We can expect the Fomor to return.
Also, though it is gone, my road map does point to the Raiths and Mavra being involved in the plot.*
Gotta figure the emphasis on Thomas and family will finally bring a big scene between the two brothers and their grandfather.
And given that, Harry and Molly's relationship with the White Council and Winter Court will likely come up.
* Not going to put the whole thing out there, but the gist was that the first ten books laid the outline for the next ten. In books 1 and 11, Harry fought an evil wizard breaking one of the laws. In books 2 and 12, Harry took on dark power to face a bigger threat. In books 3 and 13, Harry fought super ghosts. In books 4 and 14, Harry fought crazy fairy princesses. And in Books 5 and 15, Nicodemus was after a Catholic relic and Harry teamed up with paladins to stop him.
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* Not going to put the whole thing out there, but the gist was that the first ten books laid the outline for the next ten. In books 1 and 11, Harry fought an evil wizard breaking one of the laws. In books 2 and 12, Harry took on dark power to face a bigger threat. In books 3 and 13, Harry fought super ghosts. In books 4 and 14, Harry fought crazy fairy princesses. And in Books 5 and 15, Nicodemus was after a Catholic relic and Harry teamed up with paladins to stop him.
Interesting observation. Thomas's apparent story focus (really for the first time since Turn Coat, and he was offscreen most of the time) for Peace Talks supports the idea. In book six, Dresden finds out he has a brother; in this one that he'll have a niece or nephew. He supplants the current monarch of the White Court. Maybe he'll do the same to Lara to protect Thomas's child.
He also got Mouse in book six. Maybe he'll get a panther this time.
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We can expect the Fomor to return.
Also, though it is gone, my road map does point to the Raiths and Mavra being involved in the plot.*
Gotta figure the emphasis on Thomas and family will finally bring a big scene between the two brothers and their grandfather.
And given that, Harry and Molly's relationship with the White Council and Winter Court will likely come up.
* Not going to put the whole thing out there, but the gist was that the first ten books laid the outline for the next ten. In books 1 and 11, Harry fought an evil wizard breaking one of the laws. In books 2 and 12, Harry took on dark power to face a bigger threat. In books 3 and 13, Harry fought super ghosts. In books 4 and 14, Harry fought crazy fairy princesses. And in Books 5 and 15, Nicodemus was after a Catholic relic and Harry teamed up with paladins to stop him.
I like this theory. The last 10 are variations of first 10. Except, the scope is greater and the outcome is more dire. That is why I think Cowl and Mavra play heavy in BK 18 since original plan had them as prominent in Book 8.
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Interesting observation. Thomas's apparent story focus (really for the first time since Turn Coat, and he was offscreen most of the time) for Peace Talks supports the idea. In book six, Dresden finds out he has a brother; in this one that he'll have a niece or nephew. He supplants the current monarch of the White Court. Maybe he'll do the same to Lara to protect Thomas's child.
He also got Mouse in book six. Maybe he'll get a panther this time.
A Panther would be good. Maybe Mister finally choose fae instead of remaining a changeling and becomes a Malk. Do you think he would truly get rid of Laura (knowing he would be dealing with either another branch of the White Court or another Raith sibling) or help her (help him protect Justine/baby) by removing Papa Raith and putting her officially in charge? The devil you know....
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I think Thomas becomes new figurehead while Lara still in charge. Some wheelin' and dealin'.
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Interesting observation. Thomas's apparent story focus (really for the first time since Turn Coat, and he was offscreen most of the time) for Peace Talks supports the idea. In book six, Dresden finds out he has a brother; in this one that he'll have a niece or nephew. He supplants the current monarch of the White Court. Maybe he'll do the same to Lara to protect Thomas's child.
He also got Mouse in book six. Maybe he'll get a panther this time.
I'm going to get shot for this, but ...
Or maybe this is where we lose Mister?
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I'm going to get shot for this, but ...
Or maybe this is where we lose Mister?
Sharpen the pitchforks and light the torches....Someone has dared to suggest Mister may not make it.
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Whoa... easy there. Cats don't live forever; eventually they gey tired of taking care or people and move on to a higher plane.
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Whoa... easy there. Cats don't live forever; eventually they gey tired of taking care or people and move on to a higher plane.
Maybe Mister will become what he's always been: a slightly larger housecat.
EDIT: Or maybe this will be the book where he sires the line of Cats that eventually beget Rowl.
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Does he do so within this reality or crossing into another reality?
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Does he do so within this reality or crossing into another reality?
Yes.
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That sounded like a Butcher answer sans laugh.
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Mister is getting (pardon the pun) long in the tooth. He should have a dignified or heroic death.
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Just curious, so I am wondering if Harry will put Marcone on the wrong foot, by testing the real shroud on the young comatose Beckett.
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Welcome to the forums, as for Marcone and the Shroud, I think anything that Harry does to help the Beckitt daughter will be welcomed by Marcone. Her condition seems to be Marcone's greatest regret.
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Mister is getting (pardon the pun) long in the tooth. He should have a dignified or heroic death.
Mister will be there before, during and after the apocalypse.
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Welcome to the forums, as for Marcone and the Shroud, I think anything that Harry does to help the Beckitt daughter will be welcomed by Marcone. Her condition seems to be Marcone's greatest regret.
Makes me think that Harry could've saved himself a literal box of diamonds by offering Marcone use of the Shroud for half a week.
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Makes me think that Harry could've saved himself a literal box of diamonds by offering Marcone use of the Shroud for half a week.
What he got from the vault is his ace-in-the-hole.
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Welcome to the forums, as for Marcone and the Shroud, I think anything that Harry does to help the Beckitt daughter will be welcomed by Marcone. Her condition seems to be Marcone's greatest regret.
Thanks only just read all the books and already looking for the next one :)
Marcone not liking it is why Harry might do it, and well, you know what he is like for damsels in distress type thing. I am curious as to how he will use all these "weapons" though
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What he got from the vault is his ace-in-the-hole.
I'd rather have a box of diamonds. I can buy myself an ace-in-the-hole later if I need it while I live in a mansion made out of Faberge Eggs.
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Like the books say, "secrets are crack for wizards."
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I would want marcone to know as little as possible about any super relics i had if i were Dresden.
He has shown a desire to steal and own such relics in the past. and one of his main drives is to become as powerful as he can. He did give the Turin shroud back but was that his original plan or just cause Dresden threatened him?
healing beckit to gain a massive favor from marcone is a great idea but Dresden should be very careful to still own all the relics afterwards.
also Dresden is poor because he doesn't care about money at all.
i could think of tons of ways he could easily get filthy rich without compromising his morals or being in much danger But relics so insanely powerful that the gods decided they needed to be taken out of mortal hands unless some major world catastrophe is coming thats exponentially more valuable to someone like dresden
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To add to your statement about Harry being poor, if I may. Staying underfunded is, also, a form of behavior control. A way to deny himself some luxuries and comforts.
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To add to your statement about Harry being poor, if I may. Staying underfunded is, also, a form of behavior control. A way to deny himself some luxuries and comforts.
And a way to increase his discipline and mental focus.
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I would want marcone to know as little as possible about any super relics i had if i were Dresden.
He has shown a desire to steal and own such relics in the past. and one of his main drives is to become as powerful as he can. He did give the Turin shroud back but was that his original plan or just cause Dresden threatened him?
healing beckit to gain a massive favor from marcone is a great idea but Dresden should be very careful to still own all the relics afterwards.
also Dresden is poor because he doesn't care about money at all.
i could think of tons of ways he could easily get filthy rich without compromising his morals or being in much danger But relics so insanely powerful that the gods decided they needed to be taken out of mortal hands unless some major world catastrophe is coming thats exponentially more valuable to someone like dresden
I'm saying use it to heal her, then stick it back in Demonreach. Marcone likely already knows that Harry's got it, but good luck actually taking it from him.
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I would want marcone to know as little as possible about any super relics i had if i were Dresden.
He has shown a desire to steal and own such relics in the past. and one of his main drives is to become as powerful as he can. He did give the Turin shroud back but was that his original plan or just cause Dresden threatened him?
healing beckit to gain a massive favor from marcone is a great idea but Dresden should be very careful to still own all the relics afterwards.
also Dresden is poor because he doesn't care about money at all.
i could think of tons of ways he could easily get filthy rich without compromising his morals or being in much danger But relics so insanely powerful that the gods decided they needed to be taken out of mortal hands unless some major world catastrophe is coming thats exponentially more valuable to someone like dresden
Did he? Per Harry something was returned, but it COULD have been an imitation.
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In most cases, I would say it is possible that he might do a switcheroo; but, this is Marcone's greatest regret, probably the one thing he is trying to garner as much holy credit as possible. So, I say he returned it.
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I don't really think he'd have switched them, but it is a possibility.
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With Marcone, all things are possible. :)
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I'm going to get shot for this, but ...
Or maybe this is where we lose Mister?
I know this is from a couple pages back, but in all seriousness, based on what Jim was going through with his own dog, I actually do strongly suspect Mister isn't going to make it out of Peace Talks :(. Jim tends to project his real life experiences on to Harry (which isn't meant to be a negative comment, if it comes off that way).
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speaking of rumors...is there a release date?
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speaking of rumors...is there a release date?
No but rumors are there to be spread and truth is not necessary.
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Here's a link Jim posted on his twitter account about Peace Talks expected release date. http://ispeacetalksoutyet.com/ (http://ispeacetalksoutyet.com/)
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Here's a link Jim posted on his twitter account about Peace Talks expected release date. http://ispeacetalksoutyet.com/ (http://ispeacetalksoutyet.com/)
LOL ... I've used that link many times when people ask.
As to rumors ... it's been suggested that since we're getting Brief Cases in the Spring, Peace Talks may be available next Fall. But nothing specific.
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LOL ... I've used that link many times when people ask.
As to rumors ... it's been suggested that since we're getting Brief Cases in the Spring, Peace Talks may be available next Fall. But nothing specific.
I don't mean to be mean... but this huge pause is kinda worrying. Wasn't there somewhere a thought that Jim maybe doesn't like writing Dresden Files that much?
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I don't mean to be mean... but this huge pause is kinda worrying. Wasn't there somewhere a thought that Jim maybe doesn't like writing Dresden Files that much?
It probably means he has a life :)
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... as said, I'm not trying to be a dick, it's just that it's been about 3.5 years now. All previous releases were 1-2 years apart.
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... as said, I'm not trying to be a dick, it's just that it's been about 3.5 years now. All previous releases were 1-2 years apart.
Maybe his life improved? He now even has more of it. :)
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What we have heard is what we gotta go with. Life and situations sometimes get in the way of both work and art.
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What we have heard is what we gotta go with. Life and situations sometimes get in the way of both work and art.
Agreed.
On a different point, I recall reading on this forum that after Jim finished Peace Talks he would jump right into Mirror Mirror. However, on rewatching the Q&A Jim did at the last Con he did this year, Jim said he would be getting back to the next book in Cinder Spires series. Does anyone here know if the idea that Jim would continue with the next Dresden book was just wishful thinking on someone's part or did Jim originally say he would do this but has since changed his mind?
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I think that I have heard both in some Q&A. Can't recall which ones. After awhile they blend together.
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btw... how long is Peace Talks supposed to be?
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btw... how long is Peace Talks supposed to be?
Wel you can look up the length of each book put them in a graph and extrapolate. You will probably find they are getting longer.
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I would say ballpark it at 550 pages. But, I would not be opposed to twice that. :P
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Wel you can look up the length of each book put them in a graph and extrapolate. You will probably find they are getting longer.
Yea; and I don't see any reason why that might change in Peace Talks. Look at all the characters and potential plot and subplot threads we can expect to see in Peace Talks:
Harry and the White Council.
I'm not just talking about Harry's status within the Council and how much he's distrusted by some members of the Senior Council. There is also the question of the Council itself. Is it politically fractured or have the Merlin and Cristos come to some kind of (probably temporary) understanding? Will LTW meet with Harry and begin teaching him to control his anger as Eb suggested some time ago?
Thomas, Justine and baby make three are what we know about. What we don't know is how this effects Thomas and Lara's relationship. We also should get a clearer picture of what moves Lara has been making. Plus, some think Lord Raith might start making a comeback or be put down for good. I'm in the later camp, but if anything happens involving LR that will complicate things.
Then there are the Fomor themselves. The Peace Talks are supposed to be about them and their place in the supernatural world. I expect the guy (Lord something or other) Harry threatened in Skin Game to be on hand. Maybe even the Fomor leader (King Korb?) will make an appearance.
What other complication?
Oh yea; Molly, her new job career, and her parents reaction when they find out.
A teenage Archive and all that may imply as the talk's arbiter. Plus her bodyguard.
Marcone acting as host. No, Gentleman John won't be involved at all. Sure.
Someone unexpected is bound to show up even if they try to remain hidden. Cowl, Mavra, Cat Sith (I don't think so - too soon.), plus we could meet a new major character like Drakul.
I'm sure I've missed other potential plot threads and twists. (Feel free to name them or to make a guess as to what they will be.) So there's no reason to think PT will be a shorter read than Cold Days and I'm fine with that. To my way of thinking this book should be a major turning point in the series. It should lay the ground work that leads us up to the BAT.
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A few other plot points to consider:
1. Harry's daughters, Bonnie and Maggie, their interactions with each other, Harry, and supporting cast.
2. Harry sitting up a new home and life with his loot money.
3. The next step in the Harry/Murphy ship.
4. What makes Mab sweat.
5. The remnants of the RCV, if any remain, that might make an issue.
6. Summer Court and their feelings about Harry.
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I can think of a few reasons for Mab to sweat a lot...
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....an unusually hot and sunny day? :)
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Yes, that too.
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Oh to be young and have such thoughts again.
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I'm not that young >.> but I admit to being about 10 years younger than you :P
And such thoughts come naturally to me, if I allow it :) and they leave me alone when I don't want them to be around.
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My early 30s were great. I had my wife. My early 40s, not so much. I have the mother of our child. Same person, bit of a difference.
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I can imagine.
Well... I'm kinda enjoying my solitude. And I'm considering getting a cat :D
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Cats are cool.
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Name your cat Sith for extra coolness.
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Gawain and Geraint don’t need extra names for added coolness. They are our knights in furry armour and defend our home against crazy dogs anytime.
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I heard in a recent Q&A that Jim was going to do:
1. Peace Talks
2. YA Novel with his sister (which he stated he could bang out in a couple of weeks of intense writing sessions; I've done it, and I'm sure he can too)
I've heard conflicting reports on 3/4: in one, he stated he'd go straight into Mirror, Mirror because he's excited to write it, and in another that he was going into The Olympian Affair.
Personally, I'm hoping for Mirror, Mirror, partially because the Cinder Spires books are significantly longer and require much more meticulous plotting because of the number of perspective characters. Though the Codex Alera books came out quickly, so who the hell knows.
No idea how his publishing agreements are structured, though, so there may be some kind of order that's designated.
Also, I feel I should point out that it's been 3.5 years since Skin Game, but just over 2 years since his last book, The Aeronaut's Windlass. That's not an unreasonable length of time, in my opinion, especially considering all of the other personal and business things on his plate. Not trying to start anything, just pointing out that many only look at Dresden.
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I think the future has not been written and that Butcher will work as the Muse wills it to be.