I'm not going to attempt to call them by the proper terminology with a bona fide scholar of these matters looking at the thread:D
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The only thing "Bona fide" about me is that I'm a narcissistic douche, so Terminology away! XD
I actually just call them Frost jotun in my game to keep it simple. And my explanation for them is also simple, and not even very spoiler-y. I basically just have it that most of what the Norsemen called the "Nine Worlds" are just parts of Faerie or the Greater Nevernever Metro Area.
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The only thing "Bona fide" about me is that I'm a narcissistic douche, so Terminology away! XD
I actually just call them Frost jotun in my game to keep it simple. And my explanation for them is also simple, and not even very spoiler-y. I basically just have it that most of what the Norsemen called the "Nine Worlds" are just parts of Faerie or the Greater Nevernever Metro Area.
In "Changes" Harry mentions that "Problem is that the Dwarves, or Svartalf as they are called originally, are the ones who made basically all the artifacts in Norse myth. Odin's spear for example was made by Dwalin, King of the Svartalfs. I don't recall who specifically made all the others, but they include Thors Hammer, Sif's Hair, Freyr's Ship..." This would suggest that, at least according to JB's version of things, the nature of many of the non-god beings from Norse mythology are essentially the same as the Fae.(click to show/hide)
I figured I'd spoiler that quote just to be on the safe side.
Problem is that the Dwarves, or Svartalf as they are called originally, are the ones who made basically all the artifacts in Norse myth. Odin's spear for example was made by Dwalin, King of the Svartalfs. I don't recall who specifically made all the others, but they include Thors Hammer, Sif's Hair, Freyr's Ship...
Legendary Blacksmiths who are vulnerable to iron... doesn't really track for me.
One of my players is big on norse mythology and his Wizard is very much centered on that theme but Norse is one area of lore that Im quite ignorant of. This thread has already been very informative! Is there any reccomended sources of reading?
One of my players is big on norse mythology and his Wizard is very much centered on that theme but Norse is one area of lore that Im quite ignorant of. This thread has already been very informative! Is there any reccomended sources of reading?
I have some info on how Dvergar and Frost Giants (I'm not going to attempt to call them by the proper terminology with a bona fide scholar of these matters looking at the thread) fit in to my version of the Dresdenverse, but it definitely is spoileriffic, so just PM me or start a new thread to get it.
Deadmanwalking- Svartalfar actually are dwarves, and don't let White Wolf tell you any different. :P
Deadmanwalking- Svartalfar actually are dwarves, and don't let White Wolf tell you any different. :P
No apologies needed if no harm was done. That's the way of the Norsemen. ;)
Actually, the dwarves being vulnerable to the metal that they work with would certainly be possible. Humans work with deadly substances all the time. It might even be a point of pride with the weaponsmiths.
other Svartalfar such as goblins, trolls, and the like, had problems with sunlight instead
As far as I know, actually, trolls are usually lumped in with jotun-kind. (The ugliest among them, as they are usually described.) And I've personally never heard mention of the term "goblin" in any Norse saga.
The Sagas are no longer the entirety of the mythology.They are not, but my area of study is fairly strictly Scandinavian- i don't really branch out as you have into Norman/Orkney/Manx mythology, which is very cross-pollinated with Celtic and Brythonic elements.
Trolls may be the equivalent of giants, but are also often smaller in size.Yes, in the Norse tradition they are described as smaller and uglier than other jotun, but they are a jotun tribe nonetheless.
Then there are the Vitterfolk, which are human-sized (huldrfolk, etc).Indeed, the Vitter/Vetter/Vaettir (depending on dialect) are the closest thing in Norse lore to what the Fae are portrayed as in Dresden, though in reality they are more akin to the land spirits described by the Native Americans. The Vaettir were tied to places and physical features. Interestingly enough, 80% of the adult population of Iceland still claim to believe in Vaettir- even the Christians- and the nation's government has actually diverted highways so as not to disturb them. :)
Elfquest in fact blurs the line between Dwarf and Troll IIRC.XD
They are not, but my area of study is fairly strictly Scandinavian-
They are not, but my area of study is fairly strictly Scandinavian- i don't really branch out as you have into Norman/Orkney/Manx mythology, which is very cross-pollinated with Celtic and Brythonic elements.And here comes my pet peeve...
And here comes my pet peeve...Ah, I suppose you are right. I just tend to separate out the Scottish/Irish tribes from the Welsh/Britannic tribes for no particular reason. And also for no particular reason I think of the former as being "The Celts," though that's not really accurate. I just tend to think of a Pict or a Gael when I hear "Celtic," and not a Welshman or a Brit. :P *Shrug*
Brythonic IS Celtic.
Celtic is NOT necessarily Brythonic.
Just had to clear that up. ;-)
Ah, I suppose you are right. I just tend to separate out the Scottish/Irish tribes from the Welsh/Britannic tribes for no particular reason. And also for no particular reason I think of the former as being "The Celts," though that's not really accurate. I just tend to think of a Pict or a Gael when I hear "Celtic," and not a Welshman or a Brit. :P *Shrug*We can't be certain that the Picts were Celts... maybe they were, maybe they weren't. We know to little about them to decide accurately.