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DF Spoilers / Re: Turncoat
« on: May 21, 2025, 06:09:23 AM »

You know, that's an aspect of that whole affair that I had never really considered before.  I agree that Peabody probably couldn't produce major changes in older Wizards' behavior, but Staci's affair with Harry does present odd questions.

Staci herself commented afterward that as commander of the Wardens, it was not really wise for her to be carrying on an affair with a subordinate, surging hormones or not.  Did they keep the whole thing secret?  I never saw much sign of that.

Yet did nobody observe that this might be a questionable breach of discipline?  Granted the Council might not have any formal, official rules about such things, but it's hard not to see somebody thinking this was at least unwise or was a bad optic.  Esp. with Harry's tendency to make up his own rules.  I could easily see some other Warden muttering that "Dresden gets away with it because he's ****ing the Captain."  Bad for overall morale, even if the suspicion is false.

Flipside, those of the high echelons who distrust Harry would likely be freaked out by his being the Captain's bedmate, too.  "Has Dresden suborned the commander of our police force?!"

Mira's right about this aspect of things, that whole situation looks funny.
Its actually pointed out that Staci was happy, sure its weird but she's happy. The older members were probably thought its weird but she was happy. Your grumpy friend is finally happy sure their drinking a little bit more but its fine, right.



The WC is old fashioned they don't object to master student relationships what makes you thing they would object to a relationship between two consenting adults. Im not sure if there is any formal code for relationships between members, Wardens and SC. And given their lifespans and small numbers trying to enforce a no relationship clause is asking for a headache


Those anti Dresden members obviously complained about Dresden manipulating poor Staci to get more power but did they say it out loud.


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DF Spoilers / Re: Turncoat
« on: May 20, 2025, 06:45:52 AM »
Senior Council, they are intimately involved with governing the White Council, so yeah, lots of contact with Peabody's ink.. And don't discount nudges, especially when the person who is being affected has no clue that he or she is being nudged in one direction or another... Timing in attacks during wartime is one example, a couple of hours one way or the other could be the difference between success and disaster...  Or kind of like driving a car after drinking, you don't have to be drunk to a danger on the road. You are not drunk, not even remotely, but your reaction time is slowed, normally wouldn't affect your driving, but if something happens and you are even a split second too slow to react... 
or... 
Was it useless?  He had just listened to Eb's testimony as to what was in the ink.. Listen's-to-Wind  has enough knowledge of chemistry to understand perfectly well what Eb was saying they found.. He didn't need to do his own analysis.

Yes, while the body change made Luccio more susceptible, it still was the ink, wasn't it?  That's my point. 

Another point, and the real damage of Peabody's subtle nudges, " A new age of White Council paranoia had begun. "

What happened after the battle for Chicago is a perfect example of that.
Peabody couldn't make a SC member do what he wants only nudge them in a certain way. And his effects on the SC members is mych worse than the total mind control on the younger members in my view.
Imagine for a minute that you are a hot head member of the SC (Eb) for eg. You make a decision to support a strike in your anger and afterwards you find out that you could have been nudged into making that decision and ppl died as a result. You feel like that was something you would have supported its not out of character but you cant be sure. Or you are cautious ( the Merlin ) you delay a strike and the results are that many people die. Was it your natural cautiousness or Peabody ? you will never know. How will cause correct?
The young wizards were mind controlled fullstop. With counseling they may recover. They know it was not them it was someone else violating them. But the SC has a whole will always wonder if this or that decision was their own

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DF Spoilers / Re: Questions for Mab
« on: May 19, 2025, 01:06:00 PM »
there is an obligation between WK and Queen, WK and lady , WK and mother. Its not Mab fault that her WK cant / wont  negotiate for better treatment.
Im sure the is a WK expense account that harry will be shocked to find out about once he no longer needs money

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DF Spoilers / Re: Questions for Mab
« on: May 19, 2025, 10:45:25 AM »
Mab may have to have it pointed out to her, but I think she will see the logic of the Winter Knight being more effective if he is not having to worry about some basic necessities. That being said, in order to keep Harry on a leash, I can see her working on a requisition format where he has to ask for what he needs.
From Mab perspective The WK doesn't need an income
Not to get political but....
How much money do politicians get paid any politician world wide not just your country, and how much money do they have. Even the countries with low corruption. Any politician from any political party gains wealth.
Not giving the WK wealth might be a feature not a bug. The WK has to shaped his mind, and bargaining skills .

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DF Spoilers / Re: How many times have you read the Dresden Files?
« on: April 11, 2025, 06:35:54 PM »
I have read the books 4 or 5 times since 2020, i get bored easily so i look for interesting books to read. I added dresden files to my list after that codex alex, honor Harrington books and recently dan willis' arcane casebook series ( think dresden files in the 1930s)

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At this point for me its unlikely that i would drop it due to suck cost fallacy. I finished Smallville for crying out loud. Unless the writing gets so bad like cw flash later seasons bad then im out but fingers crossed it doesn't get to that point.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Speculation: Was Kemmler like Harry?
« on: February 13, 2025, 10:28:13 AM »
That's a good question.  But then again, it's an equally good question whether my hypothesis is true or not, considering that whether or not the Council was more 'relaxed' before Kemmler, they visibly were chop-happy by the 1990s and after.

We don't fully know the answer to how Harry survived.

To be fair, they almost did kill him.  He came very close, several times, and it was partly the fact that Ebenezar is a high-ranking Council member himself, and a few of the other high-rankers were at least prepared to listen, that saved him.  Harry being a starborn may have been part of the equation, too.  The Council clearly knows more about starborns than Harry has been told, some Councillors may have considered his starborn status to make him valuable enough to take a risk with.

But we just don't have enough information to say for sure.   
I have always suspected that kemmler traumatized the WC has a whole. Cause if he was a prob from 1861 - 1961, the members of the council had to have felt a lot of guilt about him especially while watching him kick start WW1 and WW2. Everytime they had some atrocities being committed that had to weigh on the council as a whole.
Like sure its not them doing all the evil that kemmler was doing but it was their job to stop him before he got this bad.
I think that guilt would be worse if at some point they let him of with a warning when he started

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I agree, taking up the coin was not part of a long term plan on Marcone's part.  I doubt that he thought past the part where the coin would give him wizard power equal to and beyond what Harry has.  I doubt that he even realizes now who is really calling the shots or will be soon.  As I said, in my opinion there are two reasons why Harry was able to reject both the influence ultimately of Lasciel's Shadow and the coin.  1] Right off Butters points out to Harry that Sheila was a delusion, thus he needs to be questioning everything.  2] His experience with the soul gaze of a Denarian, he understands from the get go about who is really calling the shots if he accepts a coin.  Marcone has none of those advantages, however I think it will take a while before he realizes he isn't calling the shots.
True
The denarii seem to have realizes that its easier to control the host if they think that you are partners and the host tends to last longer. Hosts that a completely broken tend not to last long before a KoTC shows up.
Anduriel especially seems to have trained Nic enough that he doesn't need to do much to hmget him to obey.
Nammy will probably do the same with marcone. At first he will get him to compromise a little bit of his principles and over time the compromises will get larger and larger.
At first it will be i protect my people no matter what then i will sacrifice this one guy for the greater good, the justification of the sacrifice will get weaker and weaker and eventually no justification will be needed

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DF Spoilers / Re: so ... soulgaze? the Sight?
« on: December 16, 2024, 03:41:58 PM »
Which is why given the Merlin's admitted prejudice against talented kids who screw up because dark magic is easier and they don't know better, he shouldn't have been the one to soul gaze the Korean kid.  Because the Merlin believes that trying to rehab these kids is a waste of time and dangerous, he'd only see the worst and nothing redeeming about the kid.  Why Harry didn't argue that point?  At least request that he, himself, also gaze the Korean kid or another more neutral minded wizard do it.  The outcome might have still been the same, but the process would have perhaps been seen as a bit more fair.
First of all the Korean kid was too far gone, just reading about his crimes told everyone that he was to far gone. He had bent to many minds to his will twisting his own in the process. I suspect the soulgaze was a formality.
Molly on the other hand had bent 2 minds, one a willing participant at that , the other willing from a certain point of view.
Both the soulgaze and the sight are linked snd subjective but so is almost everything we do.
I tend to view them like an interrogation techniques. A trained officer with years of experience can usually tell a suspect is quilty , or at least hiding something that is crucial from a simple interview. Of course the same officers can let the bias lend them to make the wrong conclusion but most of the time their instincts are right.
Lie detectors which are not based in science at all Work the same way. An experienced operator can tell the person is lying but again their own bias will cloud the results.
The Merlin is old and experienced sure he is biased but hopefully he can separate his feelings from the situ

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The WC is in my mind, most fans and in its own mind the elite of the elite. I tend to view them as the Justice league/ Avengers (comic versions) of the magical humans. Like both groups every hero can join but only the elite tend to get the invte.
Put another way.
Mort is powerful yes but only in his specific field. A wizard of the WC has to be an omniglot.Someone who is good at everything, and excellent at most things.
Though out the series Harry sees a supernatural being do something then claims that if he wanted he could learn the thing and propably replicate it. Mort on the other hand does not have that option. His stuck has an ectomancer an excellent one propably the best but an ectomancer non the less. Harry and any WC Wizard can learn the basics get good enough to do most of the stuff mort can do butnot as good as mort but good enough.
The WC is short sighted in not making use of specialists like mort and anna ( thenfire mancer in skingame b4 she was a warlock) as resourceful allies to help train them in the areas they need to get good at or to train, recruit and guard other magical humans.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ebenezar said something that confuses me and p's me off
« on: December 11, 2024, 07:54:19 PM »
I have seen that as a fan theory... do not recall seeing a WoJ to that effect, however.

If you can find your cite, I'd be grateful!

Ask and you shall get a half answer, misread or half remembered.
I tried to find the full quote but all i got was a reference to the quote on reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dresdenfiles/comments/phvgfe/the_merlin_in_dragoncon_and_what_it_means/
Hope anyone who has the full quote will assist

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ebenezar said something that confuses me and p's me off
« on: December 07, 2024, 08:25:01 PM »
A starborn is born every 666 years which is about 2 wizard generations or so.


In other words, the Council may know enough about Outsiders and Nemesis to be afraid of them.  However at the same time they don't know jack squat about what it takes to fight them, and know even less about the roles both Harry and Rashid have in fighting them.  After 700 years or however old Rashid is, the Council feels it can trust him though to most "Gate Keeper" is a title without any real meaning because if most believe like Harry did before he actually visited, that the Outer Gates are just a metaphor.  Harry is young, the Council never trusted his mother, so a lot of guilt by association there.  I think they know even less about a star born, they know words like destroyer connected with the title and immune to Outsiders, but as Rashid said, they know little about what his and Harry's actual roles are in the fight against them. So how could they expect to know what role Harry's starborn status has in the fight?  So when you think of it in those terms, it isn't surprising that Morgan wasn't able to put two and two together, he never had enough information to put two and two together.

So i dont think the SC at least is completely ignorant on what a starborn is. A starborn is natural and constant thing that occurs rarely but constantly.
Information about it should be available to least to the top guys.
The biggest thing I see is that the results of the starborn actions are catastrophic that everyone is afraid of them. Even when they are on your side. I once saw a woj that The Merlin's plan to deal with the Red court was to unleash the Dresden.
The results of  harry dealing with the red court was the fomor

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ebenezar said something that confuses me and p's me off
« on: November 27, 2024, 11:53:51 AM »
OK, I'm not really angry, but this quote from Peace Talks just might derail several ideas that I and other readers have been discussing the past week or two.  More than that, it confuses Jim's narrative.  Jim probably has it all worked out so it will make sense, but I still find it annoying.  So without further delay, here is what Ebenezar said to Harry in Peace Talks about what it means to be Starborn.

Ebenezar - "Every couple or three generations, the stars lineup just right, and what amounts to a spotlight plays over the earth for a few hours.  Any child born within that light-"
Harry -      "Is starborn. I get it. What does it mean?"
Ebenezar - "Power against the Outsiders.  Among other things, that their minds can't be magically tainted by contact with anything from Outside.  Which means.."

Which means to me, why the hell was Morgan, the Merlin and anyone else on the White Council; who knows about Nemesis and what it means to be starborn, afraid that Harry was "molded to be a creature of Nemesis."?  That last quote is from Morgan's Microfiction.

Didn't they know that Harry is starborn?  Rereading Morgan's Microfiction for the umptieth time, he doesn't say anything about Harry being starborn, so I suppose it's possible Morgan didn't know.  But Morgan should have known that that possibility existed, unless he didn't know anything about being starborn.

Let me stop for a moment and say why Morgan should have known that Harry might be starborn.  Morgan states that he failed to keep his promise to Margaret to protect her child.  So Margaret LeFay contacted Morgan when she was pregnant.  I doubt it was a face to face meeting because the Wardens had been ordered to arrest Margaret on site and Morgan was a stickler for following orders, but I digress.  The possibility of being starborn only happens once every 666 years.  You would think that the higher ups in the White Council would be hyper aware of this date.  Do you see the issue here and the problems it might create?

Morgan should have been able to put two and two together and realized what Margaret was doing or at least suspected she was trying to create a starborn child.  Even if Morgan didn't find out about Margaret's death until a few days after it occurred, he should have wanted to establish the time of her death and Harry's birth.  Unless Morgan didn't know anything about being starborn or perhaps he had heard the term, but didn't know what it meant.  So under this scenario, Morgan knew about Nemesis but didn't know anything about people who are starborn.  I suppose that is possible, but it seems a bit weak to me.

What about the Merlin and others on the senior Council?  What is their excuse?  Surely, when they heard that Margaret LeFey had died while giving birth, they should have been asking what day she died and what time it was.  Shouldn't they have a calendar with the date and time for people who are going to be starborn marked off?  Wouldn't they have been checking the birthdate and time of birth of anyone showing enough magical talent
to be admitted to the Council, so they would know if that person was starborn?  We know that Ebenezar and Listen's to Winds know that Harry is starborn.  They can't be the only one's on the Council who knows this. 

Unless, they do know, but only Ebenezar knows that being starborn insures protection against Outsiders.  If that was the case, why didn't Ebenzar just tell the members of the Senior Council that Harry couldn't be tainted by Nemesis?  I understand that wizards don't like revealing secrets, but this idea borders on the ridiculous.

Other potential problems with this passage: 

Is Elaine starborn or not?  Because if she is, that kills the OP and a big chunk of a thread I started about Elaine being nemfected.  On the positive side, it might explain why Jim hasn't given us a straight yes or no answer to Elaine's starborn status.  So, I could still be right.

Was the White Council trying to create their own starborn?  Because, if Eb and maybe LTW are the only ones on the White Council who knows what being starborn means, it kills that idea.  It would also kill the idea I had that Harry being a destroyer is related to him being starborn.  I think this is highly unlikely, so if the Council wanted their own starborn, was that Elaine?  Did they fail or did they succeed?  We don't know.

Aside from knowing the date and time someone was born, is their another way to detect that someone is starborn?  Lea, Mab, Lash and I assume Odin/Vadderung know when Harry was born.  How did the Erl King in Cold Days and Drakul in Battleground know that Harry is starborn?  For that matter, how did Mavra know?  She specifically told one of the other Black Court vamps that Drakul got to eat anyone who is starborn.  Is there some supernatural data broker selling information on who is starborn or is there something in Harry's aura that clues them in?  A bit off track, but if it is something in Harry's aura that clues-in the characters mentioned above, can Bob see it?  Would Bob know what it means? 

Getting back to Elaine, if being starborn is something that can be detected with supernatural powers, Titania must know if Elaine is starborn, because she would be able to detect it.  You would think that those in the White Council who are in-the-know about what being starborn means would want to create their own starborn detector.  Times and dates of birth can be fudged or simply mistaken. 

I'm trying to create a narrative where all of this makes sense, but it's a bit difficult.  Most of the Senior Council doesn't know that Harry is starborn.
I refuse to believe that, at least for now.  So, the Senior Council knows that Harry is starborn, but for some unknown reason think he might be vulnerable to Nemesis.  Being a destroyer that Morgan feared might be related to Harry being starborn, but it might be something else.  A lot of supernatural heavyweights and at least one supernatural middleweight know that Harry is starborn, but we aren't exactly sure how all of them got this information.  Elaine might also be starborn, but she might not be one.  If Elaine is starborn, then she can't be nemfected, unless there is a exception that can allow Nemesis to posses someone who is starborn.  While this would explain why Morgan and the Senior Council feared and still fear Harry, it completely violates what Ebenezar told Harry in the long quote above.



     

   
Being nemfected isnt the only way to be controlled just regular old mind control from a mortal warlock will do that (Peabody,  Molly etc). Other cases include vampire whammies from any of  the Courts the Lawyer in White night? ( cant remembers which book), Fae mind control (when Mab made harry forget Fire magic). The last one is impressive cause casting fire like swimming to a fish for Harry
The White Council has no way of know what code was placed in Harry by what and by whom.
And remember at one point in turncoat harry mentions that its difficult to find out what idea was placed in someone's mind if the person was subtle enough and knew what they where doing.
So Justin or his allies could have hidden secret codes in harry's mind so subtly that detection is almost impossible and the code and trigger are so subtle that harry has no way of knowing that he is being controlled.
In this light i think the mistrust is warranted.
Put on the paranoia hat for a moment and follow me down the rabbit hole.
Justin is a pawn for some group and the plan for him to train and corrupt the starborn. Unknow to justin, there is a code in Harry to kill Justin and the captured by the WC gain their trust and then when the time is right, Harry starts a war with a relatively minor power somehow that lasts for years weakening the White Council. In that time he forges alliances with members of the SC and junior members of the council. Even forms alliances with the Fae and the mob. Makes a mortal a member of the unseelie accords. Becomes the WARDEN and who knows what else. Good thing none of these things have ever happened.....Ohh... wait

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DF Spoilers / Re: Politics and magic
« on: November 19, 2024, 06:51:47 AM »
You can bet on it.  Only you can bet that it's way, way more complicated than just a simple quid pro quo to become a national leader.

But in the Dresdenverse, there are quite a few people who do know the truth, or part of it.  It's not a majority that believe, but certainly a large minority are perfectly well aware of at least the real existence of the supernatural.

The thing is that the supernatural powers are already deeply entangled into the mortal world power structures.  The White Council may be the most entangled one, but it's also the most human one.  The White Court are certainly deeply plugged into it, Lara has demonstrated the ability to manipulate the Federal Government at a high level.

And of course, the Feds have at least one of their own counter-version in the Librarians, who are apparently feared in the supernatural world.  Probably other major nation-states have their own versions of that.

I don't think a deal to become President, or Prime Minister, or whatever, in a major state, is likely.  Not at the simple, straightforward a level.  It would be more like trading favors, the White Court (for ex) pulls strings to help get John Doe elected to a spot, and in return he does favors for the Court.  In that respect, it would be no different than the Mafia or the Yakuza or Archer Daniels Midland or the Teamsters Union or whoever.  And of course in the DV all these groups are also interacting with each other as well.  You'd probably be just as likely to see a deal with a supernatural power to get John Doe a board seat at GM or Apple or Disney as you would a legislative seat.

And we've seen how Marcone interacts with the supernatural while running his criminal empire in Chicago.

One of Harry's worries, in fact, is that if the general public ever realized just how compromised every institution and group is by the supernatural, society would break down.  That was part of how Mavra was able to blackmail him back in the day.





I think a deal can be done or has been done before just not in the way the politicians thought it was. In my mind, i can see Lara, Mab or what ever entity proming a young politician money and support in exchange for a few favours. Dude agrees thinking its a normal thing, usual political deal and what not, only for the entity to came back and collect only then for the guy to realise f..... it wasn't a human but who you gonna tell
Ps the White court or rather house wraith most likely has the most political connection. I mean political and non political sex scandals are an everyday occurrence.
On that note politicians have side pieces is not rare its the norm. On of the wraith sisters encounters a promising politician gets him /her addicted and boom

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If he did, he never mentioned it.. So we can't be sure.

Since the ones who panic have been vanilla humans, it is safe to bet they never saw magical power in the raw before, and it would scare the hell out of them.  However soul gazes with Marcone and a couple of other people have not produced panic, in the case of Marcone, I think he scared Harry more than the other way around.  As for the others, they were reassured, even comforted by what they saw.
I doubt that Harry is marked like an animal or is owned by the Outsiders.
Im not saying he is owned by the outsiders only that he is tainted and no one has a way of telling what the taint or mark means. From the perspective of joe wizard dude has taint that marks him if he is seen under the Sight.
My WAG IS that any wizard that a) soulgazes him or b) Sees him sees the taint. And has no way of knowing what that means exactly.
Ps my guess is that the taint is part of the reasons no one seems to fully trust him.
He could be a spy and have no way of knowing

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