so how many of those can I throw my famous theory at, before it's duck season?
so how many of those can I throw my famous theory at, before it's duck season?
Also, about Mab:
Is Mab really going crazy?
Quote from: PersephoneBut the thought that really hit home, especially considering the intensity of her wrath in the final scene at the church...
Mab's not going crazy... Mab's been wounded.
Woot. :) I love it when you guys work things out!
Oh, and Mab's not using a mouthpiece because she's incapable of speech. She could talk all she wanted--as long as she didn't mind killing the people she was trying to communicate with. Suffice to say that the whole "words can never hurt me" thing just doesn't apply to angry Faerie Queens. :)
Jim
Your WOJ thread is, on its own, responsible for eating at least 50% of my DF thought processer. In fact, it probably ate even more while I was compiling this, since I ended up deleting at least a dozen questions from my original (mental) list due to the spontaneous recollection of various WOJs.
Didn't Harry quickly page through the book, relying on Lash's ability to read it back to him? Like she did with Thomas's board?I thought this was the case as well. I guess I will have to quit being so lazy and go look it up.....later.
Lash recalled the Word of Kemmler for Harry with photographic memory not the Erlking book, two different books people. ;DShe recalled specific info from Peabody's Erlking book so Harry could summon him and keep him trapped in a circle in Murphy's back yard to keep anyone else from summoning him.
Thought of a new one:
What's the deal with the famous historical warrior kings and the swords being wielded by their decedents?
Here's not so much of a mystery, as an interesting tidbit:
In Dead Beat, Lash is able to recall the text of the Erlking book perfectly. But Harry never read it before Corpsetaker stole it. So one of her previous hosts must have read it. And Harry mentions that Wizard Peabody only published it about a century ago. That means Lasciel was running around sometime in the last 100 years. I wonder if we're going to see anything that she had a hand in?
And just to keep this as a mystery post, the question would be, who was Lasciel's last host, and who brought her down?
"I have to figure out how to call up the Earlking," I said.
"Is that why everyone wanted that book?"
"Apparently."
"But you had it. Heck, you read it."
Actually, the part that bothered me the most about Sheila (besides the fact that she turned out to not be real just when I was all ready for shipping!) was that she knew where the Earlking book was on the shelf, and that there were 2 copies but someone had bought one already. How did she know that, without Harry knowing?
One more:
What is it that Mab has against Bob? In GP Harry invivtes a reluctant Bob to return to the "homeland" though he doubts Mab will have forgiven Bob. Bob backs down fast, scared.
This is just a ridiculously long list of mysteries. Btw, did we ever find out who gave the belts to the werewolves?
One more:
What is it that Mab has against Bob? In GP Harry invivtes a reluctant Bob to return to the "homeland" though he doubts Mab will have forgiven Bob. Bob backs down fast, scared.
I remeber a quote from the orignal board, in which somone asked JIm, and he replied ' she found out he was having fun with three mortal sheppardesses'..but I can't find it. It got bandied a round a lot tho, so I think it may be correct.
The DV is a mysterious place! ;D
So far, the general consensus has been that the Erlking is the most likely culprit for the hexenwulfen belts, but we're not sure.
How did the RC gain the upper hand and usurp the positions of the (original) Mayan pantheon?Oblivion war, maybe? Assuming RCVs weren't mortal, their knowledge of those gods wouldn't tie them to reality, and they did a switcheroo so the people believed in and worshiped the Lords of Outer Night, instead of the original old Mayan gods, who were thus consigned to oblivion.
Presumably, they've only become more powerful with time and the power they stole, and...they're still somewhat afraid of what the original Mayan deities could/would do to them if they ever came back. So how in the world did they manage to take over in the first place?!
He knew only that it had hurt him when he had tried to murder the child. From his perspective, it could have been almost anything—an archangel standing guard, or a spirit of light as terrible as the Ick had been foul. I thought back to the voice coming from Murphy’s mouth, pronouncing judgment upon the Red Court, and suddenly understood what was making the Red King hesitate, what he was really thinking: that the entity over the altar might be something he did not think actually existed—like maybe the real Kukulcan.
Hmm, now there's a possibility-- the RC simply stepped in when the post was left vacant, either momentarily or completely abandoned.
"No fun at all," he complained. "No wonder you can't get a date unless someone wants to know something from you."
I blinked at him, and he chortled in glee. "Hah! I love it! We're watching you, Harry Dresden!"
Now that was disconcerting. I had a sudden image of a dozen faery voyeurs lingering around my apartment's windows and peering inside. I'd have to take precautions to make sure they couldn't do that. Not that I was afraid of them, or anything. Just in case.
Fool Moon?- what happened with Harry's mom that made Hell lose her?
What does Martha Liberty know about Harry? What is he "meant to be" that makes him dangerous? (Summer Knight)
Added, with an asterisk because it's implied that Malcolm saved her.
What does Martha Liberty know about Harry? What is he "meant to be" that makes him dangerous? (Summer Knight)
I thought we had it somewhere that that meant "meant by Justin du Morne to be", which is pretty clear.
-Who is going to wield Amoracchius?*What's the answer for that one? I think Jim said recently that Amoracchius probably won't be seen in action again until the BAT, so who's the new wielder going to be?
-What is the mantle Ebenezer is considering for Harry?*I don't recall this ever being answered definitively.
-Who/What was Malcolm Dresden?*You mean, besides what Harry says he is, Harry's father and small-time professional stage magician. Anything else?
Quote-What is the mantle Ebenezer is considering for Harry?*I don't recall this ever being answered definitively.
TC; what is the mantle Eb is talking about. its the mantle he took when he made Demonreach his sanctum.
Ok then, What does the mantle Eb is talking about entail? (semantics)
I should probably un-asterisk the Amoracchius, true. It's only there because there is a more-or-less general suspicion that Thomas is probably going to end up wielding it.
There is ?
Have I been gone long enough that the "Harry ends up with all three swords and they get destroyed in the BAT and none of them ever get wielders" theory has fallen from favour ?
We know that somebody will pick them up before the BAT, and that Amoracchius, at least, will survive until the beginning of the BAT.
Oh, OK, I'd not seen that. Another notion down in splinters; by the Law of Conservation of Loony Theory, I am due inspiration any minute now.
We wait with baited breath.
You should lay off the raw fish, then.
Wondered if you'd catch that. ;D
Whose voice does Harry hear at the end?
I don't remember either of his parents being described as especially tall, and I have always imagined Ebenezar as being rather short but I can't remember if thats actually in the books or if it's just me. Now of course it is possible to be very tall and have averaged sized parents but hight is a genetic trait so tall people often have at least one tall parent.Actually, Malcolm is described as being tall, I can't find the quote right now though.
OK here's a silly thought that hit me while I was in the bath.
Why is Harry so tall?
I don't remember either of his parents being described as especially tall, and I have always imagined Ebenezar as being rather short but I can't remember if thats actually in the books or if it's just me. Now of course it is possible to be very tall and have averaged sized parents but hight is a genetic trait so tall people often have at least one tall parent.
on a related note, do we have the 'is harry human' from BR listed ?
Was Tolkien 'inspired' like Stoker and Lovecraft?
How is it that Sanya just happened to be in town in Changes? Nothing particularly dark or Hellish occurred onscreen...
....
I think Tolkien being important in-universe is unlikely, since the previous Summer Knight's name, Ronald, Reuel, was a shout out to Tolkien. As for Sanya, I just put that down to vague heavenly interference- was there something unusual about his showing up?
...
Actually, Malcolm is described as being tall, I can't find the quote right now though.
"She was a tall woman, nearly six feet, and that was in flat sandals."
Malcom Dresden was a Tall, Spare man with dark hair and steady blue eyes.
To clarify. :)
1) Thomas is barely anything at all under six feet high, when he isn't wearing shoes.
2) He has "natural" blue eyes when he isn't hungry. They get paler and paler, based on how much he needs/wants to feed.
3) Harry, being freakishly tall, mostly drops people into "much shorter than me" or "a little shorter than me" categories.
4) Avatars! Nifty!
5-10) Jim is humanly flawed. :)
I think that Cowl and Kumori are faeries. They did ask thrice for the book.
There's a WOJ about it that implies that the Warden was once a singular office somehow connected to Demonreach. I can't find it now, perhaps Serack can get it for you?
2009 Independence signing:
Q: Can the skinwalker access the NeverNever and use the Ways? If so, why didn’t it?
A: Yes. All I'll say now is that it's important to know that ‘wardens’ wasn’t always plural. (He did add later that there are certain places it can’t cross over, like the island).
In Grave Peril at the graveyard scene, and at the beginning of Summer Knight when Harry met Mab, it was hammered home that Fae can't really work their magic on you unless they already have a handle on you.I thought that was that they couldn't kill you unless they already had a handle on you. They are allowed to mess in other ways though.
Why does Harry ask...uh think at Lash about any relation about the outsiders and the black court in WN? any guesses or ws it just Black council and I got a dud copy.
Blood Rites:
-How is Lord Raith protected from magic
I thought this was explained in the book. Harry's mother was killed by Lord Wraith's magic durring Harry's birth. She knew this and her death curse was a barrier that prevented Lord Wraith from Feeding on sex power. (Which had the unforseen side effect of protecting him from all magic.)
Why does Harry ask...uh think at Lash about any relation about the outsiders and the black court in WN? any guesses or ws it just Black council and I got a dud copy.
Lord Raith had that protection long before he meet Harry's mother. we do not know yet how he got it.
I think it was implied that his magic resistance was the reason Maggie Sr. couldn't run away or kill him using normal methods, and therefore resorted to using her death curse on him, thus crippling the Whampires.
I actually read it frm a e-book but the quote is..."After which, we were going to have a long talk about my mother and these Outsiders and their relation to the Black Court and exactly what the hell was going on."
I actually read it frm a e-book but the quote is..."After which, we were going to have a long talk about my mother and these Outsiders and their relation to the Black Court and exactly what the hell was going on."
see if u can find it and make anything of it
I agree with LML on that one, but has anybody asked JB about it? Also, how much evidence is there that Maggie Sr. was linked to either the Black Council or the Outsiders? I'm not sure how to phrase another question about that.
We have solid evidence linking Maggie to Lord Raith, Eb's word in BR linking her to Justin, and Nicodemus claiming to have known her. There is, of course, no Black Council, but that's a pretty dark-grey-looking cabal. Justin and Lord R both have direct Outsider links. I think that's it for solid textev.
In deference to your nonbelief in the Black Council, I think all references to them can be pretty much replaced with "vague, probably antagonistic group of characters that may or may not be connected to one another".
Who stole the Loop Garou tapes?
How did the Gatekeeper get a fragment of the Stone Table?
Tera West for both
Who stole the Loop Garou tapes?
How did the Gatekeeper get a fragment of the Stone Table?
That's fine by me, but that is not what Harry says at the end of PG that he means by the Black Council, and I favour not using the term unless we mean what Harry says he means.
-- What's Maggie Sr.'s connection to Nicodemus?
Just throwing that out there. I don't think anybody's asked that question, yet. Could be relevent.
-- What's Maggie Sr.'s connection to Nicodemus?
Just throwing that out there. I don't think anybody's asked that question, yet. Could be relevent.
Or non-existent. Fallen lie.Possible, but the representation of Maggie in Harry and Thomas Soulgaze seems suspioucsly similar to a denarian shadow.
Has anybody wondered about Rudolph. How he went from an okay newbie cop to a finalist for the douche of the universe contest. And really, what the heck did Murphy and Harry ever do to him for him to behave as he does.
Q: When will we learn more about Maggie?
A: It will be little bits at a time, like we’re learning now. But eventually we will find out that what we’ve been told so far is only accurate from a certain point of view. It will all have a different meaning once we’ve learned the whole story.
Power in the spirit world isn't the same thing as power in the material world. And a one-on-thirtyish fight (Mab vs the elders of the BC) is WAY different than a one-on-20,000 fight (a BC vampire against a modest mortal city). Especially when the 20,000 know what your weaknesses are, and how to kill you with them. And that's assuming that you don't have a saint, or an independent wizard, or a shaman, a Knight of the Cross or some other champion, or other spiritual allies on your side which was not uncommon. Hell, for that matter, you might well be aided by vampires from the other Courts. *Everyone* resented how powerful the Blacks had become.
there is a list ( or several mini lists) of things that may not show up until the finaly trilogy:
to sum up, i believe:
Titania
Drakul
Ferrovax
what Lea and Maggie's relationship was
who will wield ammoricus
who the black council realy are
so yep, he's importnat..just enjoy the long wait.
In Dead Beat, Harry has dream about father giving him a Snickers snack. In Summer Knight, Harry gave Injun Joe's little friend a HALF Snickers. Now Harry's dreams seem to be a way for Harry's unconscious to connect with his conscience mind. I'm using this as a leaping point for Injun Joe being Cowl.
So, now that the GS chapter 1 preview is out, does anyone object to adding GS-spoilery questions to this thread?
I've got a question thats been bugging me for awhile, why was that Dragon (who from all the WoJ and such I've read could very well be the most powerful entity we have seen to date) at Bianca's party???Open bar.
I've got a question thats been bugging me for awhile, why was that Dragon (who from all the WoJ and such I've read could very well be the most powerful entity we have seen to date) at Bianca's party???
That's a very good question. I have a feeling we won't find out until the BAT. Everyone at the party got a gift from the Black Council. We don't know anything about what his was except that it fit in a box. With him being so powerful, I'm half wondering if he took the gift for simply staying out of their way rather than being a fully allied. If not, I think Amoracchius will get another notch in it scabbard :D
-Why was Ferrovax at Bianca’s party, and what did he receive?
There are a few questions re: Ferrovax that we don't have answers for, at least as far as I know. 1) Why does Michael call him "Blood of the Dragon, that old Serpent", 2) what was in the Box ? 3), as you say, why was he there/involved at all?
I believe Michael calls Marva "Blood of the Dragon" - leading to our speculation that since Dracula son of Drakul "started the Black Court as teenage rebellion", that Drakul is a half-dragon scion.
Yeah, it was Mavra, my bad. I think the actual quote you're referencing though is that Dracula "went to" the Black Court as a kind of teenage rebellion, though, he didn't "start" it -- the black court predates Dracula by a long while.1) Why does Michael call him "Blood of the Dragon, that old Serpent"I believe Michael calls Marva "Blood of the Dragon" - leading to our speculation that since Dracula son of Drakul "started the Black Court as teenage rebellion", that Drakul is a half-dragon scion.
I'm pretty sure "Blood of the Dragon, that Old serpent," is a reference to Revelation 20:2 (KJV).
"And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,"
Frakul does mean dragon, but we havee canon that he and the black court are not related.How does a Dragon, a force of nature, have a kid? I mean, Shagnasty was neither male or female and his power level isn't anywhere near Ferro's or Mab's. Do these super-powerful beings get pregged in the traditional sense? Or do they just will an offspring into existence?
(being as his son joined them to get away from dad.)
How does a Dragon, a force of nature, have a kid?
How does a Dragon, a force of nature, have a kid? I mean, Shagnasty was neither male or female and his power level isn't anywhere near Ferro's or Mab's. Do these super-powerful beings get pregged in the traditional sense? Or do they just will an offspring into existence?
And as for Drakul's rebellious son who joined the Black Court....if Drakul is a dragon would that make his son, who I presume is Dracula, half-dragon half-blampire? That seems kinda scary.
One thing I noticed concerning Kincaid's heritage was Harry's view of him with the Sight. A giant demon with a dead body attached that looked like Kincaid's human form.
Is this indicative of Kincaid's sacrifice of what humanity he has? Probably not, because he still seems very much human and he does care of Murphy, Ivy, and (maybe) Harry, due to Ivy.
Maybe the demon in the Sight is his old employer Drakul, metaphorically holding Kincaid, much like viewing Harry with the Sight shows HWWB.
Maybe the Demon is metaphorical.
And Maybe it's his battle shape-shifting form, a la Dante from DmC :P. (Because he's quickly becoming an expy of Dante in my mind)
For just a second I saw something standing there. Something enormous, malformed, something silent and merciless and deadly. It had to crouch to keep from brushing the ceiling with the horns curling away from its head, and batlike wings spread from its shoulders to fall around it and behind it, to drag along the floor, and I thought I saw some kind of hideous double image lurking behind it like the corpse-specter of Death himself.
Actual its not a dead body that looks like Kincaid attached to the demon form it is:Ahhh thanks for clarifying. BR is one of the few books I don't re-read on a regular basis. That and FM.
And many of us believe that the corpse specter of death is really Mavra veiled and taking pictures that Harry just happened to see with his sight when he say Kincaid.
Actual its not a dead body that looks like Kincaid attached to the demon form it is:
And many of us believe that the corpse specter of death is really Mavra veiled and taking pictures that Harry just happened to see with his sight when he say Kincaid.
P.S.
In Grave Peril Harry gets a glimpse of Marva using the Sight. She doesn't appear like anything other than a dead corpse.
I had thought it was clear that Molly was taken to Arctic Tor so that Harry would assault it so that Mab could force her own hand back to where she wanted it, despite some outside influence, said outside influence being the reason she was so angry she had her kitty talking for her for so long....
So far, the general consensus has been that the Erlking is the most likely culprit for the hexenwulfen belts, but we're not sure.
Is it just me, or does this just seem like a really odd thing to happen?Well, we can assert that he didn't necessarily intend to cause trouble for Dresden in particular. Maybe he was enhancing the hunter aspect of the FBI agents, themselves hunters of criminals. Maybe he was purposely pitting them against Marcone, the man with the soul of the tiger. Maybe he wanted to pit them against the Loup-garou.
At the risk of repeating myself:
Here's one that's been bugging me for a while:
When Harry's house caught fire in Changes, why, exactly, didn't Mouse just start with his "Patented ALARM! Bark" to wake Mrs. Spunklecrief and the upstairs people?
At the risk of repeating myself:
Here's one that's been bugging me for a while:
When Harry's house caught fire in Changes, why, exactly, didn't Mouse just start with his "Patented ALARM! Bark" to wake Mrs. Spunklecrief and the upstairs people?
Because then Jim would have had to come up with some other way to break Harry's back...
Oops, missed that one earlier. Added!
When Harry's house caught fire in Changes, why, exactly, didn't Mouse just start with his "Patented ALARM! Bark" to wake Mrs. Spunklecrief and the upstairs people?
Ummm. I think Molly had taken Mouse for walk or something. They were not at the apartment when the eebs set it afire. Just Harry.
Why, exactly, did Anastasia Luccio, who was present and did have the item in question, fail to simply use her Warden's Sword-- made to cut through ANY enchantment-- to cut through the barrier and charge in to help with Murphy at her side, and Michael and Sanya not far behind?WOJ regarding the swords:
Ooops.
They don't cut through anything. They are super good for cutting through/disrupting fields of magical energy. They rip through magic-charged ectoplasm of the nevernever, like the kind demons make when they need a body to inhabit in the real world, like there's no tomorrow. Otherwise, they are simply swords created by a master of the craft with centuries of experience from the finest alloys available at the time of their creation.source: http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,2894.msg65377.html#msg65377
Jim
WOJ regarding the swords:
source: http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,2894.msg65377.html#msg65377
And in no way does that change my feelings. He says they are "super good for cutting through/disrupting fields of magical energy." The barrier in question was magical energy. So she should have been able to do it.
And wardenfairy419? That was simply Hellfire augmented magic, not Lucifer's personal magic. Harry said the "practice version" done to capture Marcone was powerful and charged with helfire-- he didn't say it was from Lucifer himself, and I'm pretty sure he'd have known (if not that it was Lucifer, that was was from something deifically powerful) and said something.
Well. Not quite freely, but MORE freely, certainly. The Fallen bound in the coins are the freaking elite of Hell--everyone the big D didn't want trying to stab him in the back, basically. If they were suddenly freed it would do all kinds of horrible things to about a million balances of power, with repercussions that would last for centuries.
Which assumes that they /can/ be destroyed. I mean, don't think that in 2,000 years, no one has ever TRIED it. And there are still thirty of them kicking around.
Which isn't necessarily to say that it's impossible. But it sure as Hell wouldn't be easy. And given that, while in the coins, they ARE effectively frozen in carbonite without a human agent to assist them, containment certainly seems to be a prudent course.
Funny you should mention that whole notion about redeeming Lasciel . . . >
Jim
I got the impression that it was more the whole mess that Harry was blaming on the PFD, but I suppose it's open to interpretation.
even in the peom, when stan fell from heaven, the dragon in the darkness ( tehob) was there to meet him.
How exactly could did Satan get the Fallen in the coins? One would assume that he wasn't powerful enough to get all 30 Fallen in the coins, especially given that Anduriel was his top general. Did Satan get God in on it? Or did Satan somehow trick them into the coins.
I realize that the popular consensus was that Satan just kinda did it, but I highly doubt he had the power to mystically confine and limit 30 of his peers just like that.
We don't really have a handle on how much stronger archangels are than angels, it's not beyond plausibility to my mind that the thirty Denarians, strongest of their fallen angel peers though they be, are nonetheless, as a combined force, something DV Lucifer the fallen archangel can hold in the palm of one hand.
Given the timing, I can see it having something to do with the Harrowing of hell, either.
Jim has already said that they were bound into their coins because the Devil (Satan/Lucifer/whoever) was worried that they would try to take over, which means that their combined power of all 30 is at least enough to take him down.
I know it was a typo but when I first read this I was wondering, Stan who?
To which poem do you refer? Paradise Lost?
it's written for non scholars, but a very good history on Satan is at:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Satan
Jim has already said that they were bound into their coins because the Devil (Satan/Lucifer/whoever) was worried that they would try to take over, which means that their combined power of all 30 is at least enough to take him down.
annother possibilty with lea is her lips are just that dang cold
I glanced over at him. There was a mark on his neck, black and angry red, like a brand, in the shape of lovely feminine lips. I would have thought it lipstick, but i sensed a faint odor of burnt meat in the air.
Oooohhh it was definitely a burn
Plausibly a freezer burn, though.
New mystery: is it "white for protection" (Grave Peril, page 200), or "blue for defense" (Proven Guilty page 155)?
p.s. right after, it lists "white for purity".
Well......if you wanted to reconcile the two, you could say that "purity" would "protect" one when calling up an Evil Demon. The "white for protection" consisted of white candles in a summoning circle, after all.....
You have an asterisk next to "Who hit Harry's car?" I'd like to know what the consensus is on that.
Consequences of Molly being taken to Arctis Tor: Harry went to Arctis Tor, as did Charity, Murphy, and Thomas.
Consequences of Harry going to Arctis Tor: Harry discovered Hellfire was used in an attack. Harry discovered Slate was still alive. Harry discovered Lea was encased in ice and being cured of madness through exquisite torment. Harry ended Scarecrow. Summer Fire met Winter's wellspring. A bunch of fetches got killed. Some snow ogres got killed.
Consequences of Harry discovering Hellfire was used to attack Arctis Tor: Nicodemus learned that Hellfire was used to assault Arctis Tor.
I have the feeling that this is way more important to Mab than Harry sucker-punching a fetch, no matter how badass it is. Also, I disagree with the theory that Scarecrow had outsider stuff going on. Harry's fire was stopping after a couple feet of travel, not immediately before hitting Scarecrow. That's Winter choking it out until Summer countered it.
The fact that Summer's fire effected the Scarecrow at all means it did not have Outsider stuff, because only Mortal magic effects the Outsiders
We know that only mortal magic can summon them into the (mortal) world, anyway. Could you tell me which book (WN?) I should look in for the passage about mortal magic?
Consequences of Harry discovering Hellfire was used to attack Arctis Tor: Nicodemus learned that Hellfire was used to assault Arctis Tor.
The fact that Summer's fire effected the Scarecrow at all means it did not have Outsider stuff, because only Mortal magic effects the Outsiders
I don't know if this has already been asked (i missed a few replies in these 18 pages) and its more of an add-on to other related questions. There has been at least 4 instances where Harry feels a female presence or hears a female voice that he says he should recognize. The one i just ran across happens in Death Masks when he is having nightmares:
"A woman who seemed familiar but whom i did not recognize shook her head and drew her hand from left to right. The dream-scenery faded to black in the wake of her motion. She turned to me, dark eyes intent and said, "You need rest."- Death Masks, pg. 150
The most ready answer i can think of is his mom. Did she somehow create a shadow inside of him the same way denarians do? Nicodemus did say that he used to know and respect her. A possibility maybe. Food for thought.
Sad i missed that thread then, cause it has been bothering me for awhile. Anybody remember the outcome?
If it his his mother, she'd probably be doing it by using that same imprint thing that allowed her to talk to Harry through Thomas in Blood Rites. if it's Elaine, probably through their mental connection, but amplified. If it's Lash, probably from inside his head. If it's lea (i think this least likely, but hey) well, she probably has some crazy fae magic that lets her do that. I have a feeling that it'll happen again before we figure it out though
Have we heard this voice before, like we did in Changes? I don't remember it before. . .
first time was at the end of storm front, so I don't think it's lash... lol.
it's Mommy.
;D
Where is this Harry=Kemmler theory coming from that everyone keeeps talking about?????
Okay, I'm starting to think that JB needs a CONTINUITY OBSESSED beta reader, because I just caught another plot-hole.
During the meeting with Nicky and the Nickelheads at Shedd Aquarium in Small Favor, after they raised their pentangle or whatever it was (pentagon? pentacle? pentagram?), to cage the Archive and shut her away from help...?
Why, exactly, did Anastasia Luccio, who was present and did have the item in question, fail to simply use her Warden's Sword-- made to cut through ANY enchantment-- to cut through the barrier and charge in to help with Murphy at her side, and Michael and Sanya not far behind?
Ooops.
The Wardens toted silver swords with them whenever there was a fight at hand. I had seen them unravel complex, powerful magic at the will of their wielders, which is one hell of an advantage when taking on anything using magic as a weapon.WN
nope its the warden's swards.WN
Interesting, thanks for posting that. Although it doesn't say "any" enchantment, so that might give us an out for Luccio's failure to act....
For that matter, if they could actually unravel ANY enchantment -- as that unravelling cloth did in Summer Knight -- then they should be able to "cure" things like the half-turned Red Court vamps. And we know they can't do that, or Harry would've gotten somebody to lay them on Susan already (or something similar). So that makes me think that there are limits to the enchantments they can affect...
Also, the RC infection may not be so much an enchantment as an alteration in the nature of the being.
And even if it was an enchantment, it's a full-body, internalized one- breaking it with a warden's sword would be like trying to surgically destroy every virus in the body to cure a disease.
As for the pentagram, Ms Duck has a pretty plausible explanation. If the enchantment is violently released, slashing blindly through something like that would be somewhat suicidal.
Actually, I don't remember off the top of my head, but I don't think Luccio was even there for the climactic battle of SmF. It was just Harry and the Knights on Demonreach, with the rest as backup.
Right. But they were talking about the Shedd Aquarium, where Luccio was stuck outside while the Denarians were fighting Harry, Kincaid, and Ivy inside.
Too many unkowns to ponder. I personally think the big d who imprisoned them is tehob, the black goddess arch enemy of the white god. That would make bthe fallen angel satan the OP uriel. This assumption is baed entirely on me thinking jim will not be able to pass up a seven headed dragon as bad guy ;)As cool as that would be, I don't think we have the pages to cover the logistics of several "Lords of Hell", if you will.
I sense a patern here..True. However, the logistics of using many different versions of Satan runs the risk of drawing heat from the Christian sect. Lord knows I have a few Aunts who would go ballistic at the thought of someone portraying their Satan wrong.
From Summer Knight. Martha Liberty says to Ebenezar "You know what he was meant to be". I think this needs to be added to the unanswered questions list. What was Harry meant to be?I was re-reading and it bothers me there's not more discussion on this... its very interesting. She could just be referring to him being Justin's protege/black magic servant, but it certainly doesn't sound like that. It kind of goes with the theory that Harry was meant to be something, maybe someone planned his birth coincidences...
I was re-reading and it bothers me there's not more discussion on this... its very interesting. She could just be referring to him being Justin's protege/black magic servant, but it certainly doesn't sound like that. It kind of goes with the theory that Harry was meant to be something, maybe someone planned his birth coincidences...
It seems very unlikely to me that Maggie and company did not plan for him to be the Outsiderbane he is.double...negative...hurt...head...
The question is is Martha aware of his outsider powers, or was she simply oblivious to the other things Harry was supposed to be? Or is there another added future someone had planned for Harry?
double...negative...hurt...head...
yeah, the thing about "meant to be" is who was doing the meaning ?
"You are one of the least benightedly unintelligent people it has been my profound lack of pleasure not to be able to avoid meeting."
Also, the RC infection may not be so much an enchantment as an alteration in the nature of the being. And even if it was an enchantment, it's a full-body, internalized one- breaking it with a warden's sword would be like trying to surgically destroy every virus in the body to cure a disease.
As for the pentagram, Ms Duck has a pretty plausible explanation. If the enchantment is violently released, slashing blindly through something like that would be somewhat suicidal. Actually, I don't remember off the top of my head, but I don't think Luccio was even there for the climactic battle of SmF. It was just Harry and the Knights on Demonreach, with the rest as backup.
The sword wasn't the most dangerous thing about him, not by a long shot, but it was his symbol of authority given to him by the White Council, and if rumors were true, it was enchanted to cut through the spells of anyone resisting him.
Who is Victor Sells?
A former employee of SilverCo.
Here's a train of thought to consider:
Victor worked a well-paying job at SilverCo until he was fired for reasons unknown.
Victor then took a relatively late-life interest in magic.
His next 'business' venture was making Three-Eye potions/drugs by using kinky sex rituals/rites.
Silverlight is the porn studio that was trying to put Arturo Genosio's company out of business in BR.
Silverlight is family owned and operated by the White Court.
Jim heavily uses the word silver to 'tag' or describe the White Court and it's members--from clothing to how their eyes look when they're 'vamping out'.
How much do you believe in coincidence in arcane mystery novels? 8)
I don't think that explanation works, according to Harry's musings about Morgan's sword in SF.A small question still bugs me. Why didn't the other Wardens use their swords on Harry's crystal ward at the end of TC?
It would stand to reason that any magical ward (even one with a Hellfire bonus!) would fall under said category and that a Warden could destroy one without harming themselves (unless it was containing something nasty ;)). Otherwise, the swords are completely useless.
On the topic of Susan's infection, my belief is that she was fundamentally altered into a magical being. The sword would only be useful in wounding/dismembering magical beings, unless said being was a magical construct.
A small question still bugs me. Why didn't the other Wardens use their swords on Harry's crystal ward at the end of TC?
“Might want to take a few steps back before you do,” I said. “If anything but the proper sequence takes it apart, it explodes. It’ll take out the cottage. And the tower. And the top of the hill. The kid and Morgan should be fine, though.”
Oh and here's an unsolved mystery to add to the list:
Who is Victor Sells?
Very interesting idea. Perhaps a member of the White Court has a place on the Black Council and thereby extended their influence on Sells in some way? It would only support my theory that the Black Council would have at least one member from each group with any supernatural power/influence.Madeline? She was an obvious jerk who really understood nothing, but if someone smart enough just told her what to do she would do it... its not like she has to know magic, pass a few books, tell him where to learn, etc. He was a weakish wizard...
A former employee of SilverCo.
Here's a train of thought to consider:
Victor worked a well-paying job at SilverCo until he was fired for reasons unknown.
Victor then took a relatively late-life interest in magic.
His next 'business' venture was making Three-Eye potions/drugs by using kinky sex rituals/rites.
Silverlight is the porn studio that was trying to put Arturo Genosio's company out of business in BR.
Silverlight is family owned and operated by the White Court.
Jim heavily uses the word silver to 'tag' or describe the White Court and it's members--from clothing to how their eyes look when they're 'vamping out'.
How much do you believe in coincidence in arcane mystery novels? 8)
I think you're on to something, there. Could Sells have been working for someone in the White Court, and not necesarily just house raith?
Don’t know who he is, but as a character/plot device I think Victor Sells might be JB’s wink and a nod to Roger Zelazny. In RZ’s 6th book of the Amber series a fellow named Victor Melman was a low level wizard who was used as a puppet to try and kill off the book’s main character Merlin. Merlin was caught somewhat by surprise and ended up killing VM before he could get much useful information from him, thus leaving plot threads hanging and mysteries left unsolved for a while.
I see Victor Sells as a low level wizard who was a puppet, and who got killed by Harry before Harry could get much information from him. Had Harry known more about who trained VS earlier, it could have been helpful to Harry.
I think you're on to something, there. Could Sells have been working for someone in the White Court, and not necesarily just house raith?
The subltest possible wink/nod to Zelazny I've seen in the books so far is a character named "Sandra Marling" in Proven Guilty; there's a character named "Dra Marling" in Zelazny's Isle of the Dead. Could be coincidence, could be Butcher's subconscious, but mildly interesting either way.
Furthermore, Molly met Sandra while doing community service at a homeless shelter...like the one that Mavra used as a base in Blood Rites. That one's a little tenuous, though.
I see that the question of who hit Harry's car is starred. Who do we have doing it and what clues led us there? Just wondering because it's been bothering me for a while.Problem is we weren't really given any clues... though the car is reminiscent of the car that Quintus Cassius was driving, obviously he's not longer alive...
Problem is we weren't really given any clues... though the car is reminiscent of the car that Quintus Cassius was driving, obviously he's not longer alive...
Raven 8)
I see that the question of who hit Harry's car is starred. Who do we have doing it and what clues led us there? Just wondering because it's been bothering me for a while.I think the speculation is that it was Madrigal Raith (and also Madrigal who planted the bomb in Murphny's car).
Then why is it starred?because we don't have an answer and its fun to speculate...
because we don't have an answer and its fun to speculate...
Raven 8)
Nope, the stars meant we had some kind of working theory on it. But anyway, no one seems to have an answer for me. Madrigal doesnt make real sense for me because it happens before Madrigal even comes on to the scene in proven guilty and Thomas mentions it at the end of that book as a loose end. I feel like if it was Madrigal it would have come up somewhere in that bookThis could mean Thomas knows who did it but is somehow prohibited from telling Harry, so he tries to get Harry thinking about it so he can help him figure it out without breaking his word. He's played that game before.
Good point. he's played that game a few times, i think. he's good at it by now.
Also, mavra has possibly enough magical talent as a minor wizard, so the bomb would have gone off if she set it, as well. 'spose she could have had one of her cronies do it, though
This could mean Thomas knows who did it but is somehow prohibited from telling Harry, so he tries to get Harry thinking about it so he can help him figure it out without breaking his word. He's played that game before.
“Indeed,” Chauncy agreed. “Your mother was a most direct and willful woman. Her loss was a great sadness to all of us.”
I blinked, startled, and the pencil fell from my fingers. I stared at the demon for a moment. “You… you knew my mother? You knew Margaret Gwendolyn Dresden?”
Chauncy regarded me without expression or emotion. “Many in the underworld were… familiar with her, Harry Blackstone Dresden, though under a different name. Her coming was awaited with great anticipation, but the Dark Prince lost her, in the end.”
Speaking of Kumori, I, and many others, have noted her absence from the events of White Knight, even though Cowl was present.
However, upon reflection maybe she was there the whole time *cough**cough*(click to show/hide)
thing is, cowl acted much differnetly than in his first appearance- to the point wher i wonder if he hates harry now because kumori didnt make itI just figured he was kinda hacked off that his ascension ritual got messed up, plus a hefty bruise on the chin.
I just figured he was kinda hacked off that his ascension ritual got messed up, plus a hefty bruise on the chin.
Cowl was also noted as "moving stiffly", so it could be that Harry permanently invalidated him.
Did harry inherit anything from granddad, due to his use of the Black Staff? Could that be the non humanness of him, the dark harry. A semi regular coversation of himself is not normal.I doubt it, but think of HWWB, DuMorne, Elaine's "death"- there are plenty of reasons to have issues for Harry ;)
I cant remember where, but i heard harry had to go back because three females or women he loved were in danger, in changes.Actually the opening chapter to Ghost Story says "three people he loves" (probably the platonic sense), and doesn't specify gender.
Why didn't Odin/Monoc Security, as signatories of the accords, step in on behalf of their client Marcone, instead of having Gard recruit the White Council through Harry?I got the impression that odin was kinda trying to stay out of things because he was a god, something about a balance of power.
I have a couple of questions because I am not sure if they have been addressed,
1. I have two candidates to wield Amoracchius. The first would be Thomas if harry finds a way to control the demon inside of thomas like lea can, also the second and this may not be for several more years but little harry carpenter.
2. Also I am curious if in grave peril anything that kravos did to little harry will have any lasting effect on him such as mental manipulation when he gets older or something else
So it is still possible for little harry to wield it because he is roughly I think 11 now and he would be considered a adult by the time for BAT, Sorry I just have a weird feeling that there is more to this kid since he was named after harry and that out of all of the carpenter children none have yet to show interest in taking up the good fightDefine "the good fight." The argument that Molly used to convince Charity that going with Harry to meet with the White Council was the right thing was, "you know there are bad things out there, and I can help fight them. I want to help." To which Charity's response was something along the lines of, "of course you do, you're your father's daughter." At which point she gave her blessing (not that she would have been able to stop the council from putting Molly on trial, but it made it better for Molly with the Council - as well as for their future mother/daughter relationship - that Charity allowed her to go voluntarily).
by good fight I meant basically taking on evil and helping people. My reason for suggesting harry is because he is a minor character who has been involved in a couple big events but other then those events we hear nothing from him and he is the only character to truly grow up during the course of the books (I don't count hope because she was born prior to storm front). So I feel little harry will play a large roll in the future of the seriesHarry and Molly do that on a regular basis.
Harry and Molly do that on a regular basis.
I scowled at her. “You will not. I do not belong to y—”Clearly, here's a gap of at least some moments, because he was sitting in a seat before. Also, when Mab is gone, he reports to be bleeding from nose and ears, exactly like when Mab erased the memories of his blasting rod.
The next thing I knew I was on my knees in the center aisle, and Mab was walking away from me, toward the door.
I realized a minute later that I had a nosebleed. A minute after that, I realized that there was a trickle of blood coming out of my ears, too.So, the actual (unresolved) question is: What was the missing part of the conversation with Mab about, and why did she erase Harry's memories of it?
Hi, I'm new to this forum and maybe this question has come up before. (But I don't think so, I searched). Or maybe I'm just too dumb to see the obvious answer.
Anyway, at the end of Small Favor, chapter 46, there's this scene where Harry's in the hospital chapel and Mab comes up to speak with him. I think it is heavily indicated that Mab performs some more "brain surgery" (as with removing the memories of his fire magic earlier in the book) on Harry. I'm talking about the passageClearly, here's a gap of at least some moments, because he was sitting in a seat before. Also, when Mab is gone, he reports to be bleeding from nose and ears, exactly like when Mab erased the memories of his blasting rod.So, the actual (unresolved) question is: What was the missing part of the conversation with Mab about, and why did she erase Harry's memories of it?
FOOL MOON
Maybe the demon in the Sight is his old employer Drakul, metaphorically holding Kincaid, much like viewing Harry with the Sight shows HWWB.
So far, the general consensus has been that the Erlking is the most likely culprit for the hexenwulfen belts, but we're not sure.
Is it just me, or does this just seem like a really odd thing to happen?
Was Rudolph being influenced by anyone other than the eebs/before the eebs?
I recently re-read GP in which he's explicitly and vocally supportive & protective of Murphy.
which reminds me, there are some notions that Harry is meant for a mantle like the Warden (singular), which we don't know much about, or Blackstaff (for which I personally consider Harry to be supremely unsuited), but what about Harry as Gatekeeper?
Because then Jim would have had to come up with some other way to break Harry's back...;D I mean an author is just an author, he has to get things in their places one way or the other. (Sorry, sorry, flees flying tomatoes).
It's gotta be an enchantment in some sense, because Harry believed he could have cured Susan by using the unravelling cloth.
Whoever Victor was working for, they knew about the heart-ripping curse used by the Red Court as well.
Thomas mentions it at the end of that book as a loose end.
I read that as a pretty straightforward comment calling Dresden out for throwing stones from his glass front porch.
He doesn't need to be a scion of something from the nevernever to be less than human.
A lifespan of a couple centuries and the ability to harness the forces of creation and destruction with your mind makes you pretty darn inhuman.
Believe it or not, I just read all 26 pages of this thread. You guys are amazing!He talks about HWWB having left a mark on him, after that junkie in Storm Front sees him on the policestation and mentions HWWB.
I also looked for a version III because all kinds of issues from GS were not addressed, but couldn't find one. So if there is one, someone please redirect me...
I noted a few things down as I went through the thread:
Do we know this - that viewing Harry with the sight reveals HWWB? I'm doing a another re-read, so perhaps I'm missing something from the later books, but it seems to me Harry has always been really clear about not knowing, and not asking, what people see in him during a soul gaze.
Maybe someone else has mentioned this -- it's hard for me to believe otherwise -- but to me, the biggest and most critical mystery of all is: who was Ebenezer's wife? Ebenezer was Maggie (Sr)'s father ... so who was her mother?
Remember, Sir Jim is a very close-mouthed soul, so I've no doubt that this is going to be a rather interesting revelation. It seems like it'd be very important, especially considering that it is well-established that magical abilities more often follow the *female* bloodline, rather than the male.
(Mab?)
(Leah?)
(Someone else entirely?)
(heh.)
Maybe someone else has mentioned this -- it's hard for me to believe otherwise -- but to me, the biggest and most critical mystery of all is: who was Ebenezer's wife? Ebenezer was Maggie (Sr)'s father ... so who was her mother?
Remember, Sir Jim is a very close-mouthed soul, so I've no doubt that this is going to be a rather interesting revelation. It seems like it'd be very important, especially considering that it is well-established that magical abilities more often follow the *female* bloodline, rather than the male.
(Mab?)
(Leah?)
(Someone else entirely?)
(heh.)
-Who cast the spell that stopped Harry from entering the screening room?
As to why Mouse didn't bark at the fire... I have to say I had the same idea asI don't recall Mouse being there? I thought he'd sent him with Molly.
Hello, new to this community , Huge fan of the books.
We know that one of Mother winter powers is the unraveling
what is Mother summer powers ?
I assume in the line of creation ???
If i take a quote from Summer Knight
"An unmaking, boy. I am the unmaker, the destroyer. It is what I am. Bound within
those threads is the power to undo any enchantment done. Touch the cloth to that which
must be undone. Unravel the threads. It will be so."
Isn't it a description of the forces of hell ? their goal to destroy and bring chaos ?
or i misunderstand the purpose of hell? (in DV/F)
hmm, now that Harry is a Winter Knight and Mab take him to the court we will get lots of insight on the courts specially winter court in Cold Days, how the powers and balances is work there, what the mothers can do, and their sphere of control.
Plus i wonder what is Summer Capital and if they have something like the well Winter has but Summer thing.
I think Mother Winter is just a force of nature. Not passionate. Not calculating. She just is. She's Entropy. Hell and its minions on the other hand do have a purpose, to be the antithesis of God. They use chaos to unmake creation. Mother Winter is chaos.
Then why attempting to avoid the mess Aurora planned to do.
Another thought, if Power is all that count for the Fea, why winter tried to stop Aurora plans, if she succeeded they would have got massive amounts of energy/power.
Aren't they all power hungry ?
"An unmaking, boy. I am the unmaker, the destroyer. It is what I am. Bound within
those threads is the power to undo any enchantment done. Touch the cloth to that which
must be undone. Unravel the threads. It will be so."
How old is the gatekeeper? to have killed the author of The Necronomicon he would have to be at least 1300 years old.Or have the permission/access to jump time...
Summer Knight:
-Who compromised the defenses at Archangel?
Let's be honest here, Lash should come back in the next book to help Harry be the Winter Knight.
My question is, will Harry still slowly change into a Winter monster even though he laid the law down stating that he was going to do stuff his way?
And a voice—a very calm, very gentle, very rational voice
whispered in my ear, “Lies. Mab cannot change who you
are.”
I struggled and twitched my fingers. “Five,” I muttered,
“Six. Seven. Heh.” I couldn’t help it. I laughed again. It hurt
like hell and it felt wonderful. “Heh. Heh.”
Mab had gone very still. She stared at me with wide
eyes, her alien face void of expression.
“No,” I said then, weakly. “No. Maybe I’m your knight. But
I’m not yours.”
Emerald fire flickered in her eyes, cold and angry.
“What?”
“You can’t make me your monster,” I slurred. “Doesn’t
work. And you know it.”
Mab’s eyes grew colder, more distant. “Oh?”
“You can make me do things,” I said. “You can mess with
my head. But all that makes me is a thug.” The effort of so
many words cost me. I had to take a moment to rest before
I continued. “You wanted a thug; you get that from
anywhere. Lloyd Slate was a thug. Plenty where he came
from.”
Demonreach’s burning eyes flickered, and a sense of
something like cold satisfaction came from the cloaked
giant.
-Ghost Story
I thought that was Uriel not Lash?
It was........ Although maybe it was Uriel using Lash as a cats paw
Why use Lash as a cats-paw when doing the whispering yourself gets the same result?
Balancing things out as much as possible, perhaps. If the shadow that drove Harry to becoming Winter Knight was Lasciel, being used as an agent of Hell, then Lash being used as Uriel's makes a nice symmetry.
Very good point. Lasciel was a true fallen angel. But Lash was different. Maybe Uriel had a helping hand in making Lash.
Well, the thing that is shown is that anyone who takes up a coin, with enough will, can contort it into something good. Something that has feeling. Something that would give its "life" for you.
(If this question is in another thread please point me there.)
In Blood Rites, why was Mavra's crew in place at Arturo Genosa's when Harry and Thomas drove up to the outer guard shack? Its clear Mavra decided to draw Harry into attacking her so she could later blackmail him to get the word of Kemmler for her.
How could she have possibly have known Harry would show up there?
In Ghost Story, there is a reference fto Father Forthill's worn King James Bible.Welcome to the forum. The issue of the bibles was discussed at great length in one of the other threads and I don't think any agreement was made. Possibly it was discussed in the Ghost Story spoilers section.
The KJV isn't normally used in Catholic circles, there are 2 branches of the tree in the translations from early manuscripts. The KJV is on one branch, and the normally used Catholic Bible - the Douay-Rheims - is on the other branch.
MY question I guess - i why would a Catholic Priest be using the King James Version?
If he tried to preach from it, he'd have the whole Congregation up in arms right up to and including the bishop.
I love the stories.
I'm also a bible college student.
Comments?
Well, the thing that is shown is that anyone who takes up a coin, with enough will, can contort it into something good.
Who is behind it all?
And what are they planning next?
(If this question is in another thread please point me there.)
In Blood Rites, why was Mavra's crew in place at Arturo Genosa's when Harry and Thomas drove up to the outer guard shack? Its clear Mavra decided to draw Harry into attacking her so she could later blackmail him to get the word of Kemmler for her.
How could she have possibly have known Harry would show up there?
Harry might be forced to work with a hated enemy like Nicodemus, against a more immediate threat from a BC member.
That would be fun to see, though I doubt a Harry/Nic partnership; even a temporary one, will ever occur.
Not for more than the span of a single battle, but I think it's totally happening. My money is on Ferrovax as the foe, side bet on Tessa with a loopy enough plot.
Interesting thought - are all of Tessa's nickelhead faction black council, or just Thorned Namshiel?
My personal theory is that she and the White King, as part of the Black Council, were working together. Both Mavra being there with vamps at the guard shack as well as Madge, an ex-wife whom purposefully avoids making contact with Harry, indicate Papa Raith knew someone might interfere and that it might be Harry. Blood Rites was the White King's attempt to break free from Maggie's death curse.
As far as Kincaid saying Harry was as human as he was... Personally, I'm fascinated by Kincaid. And I'm quite sure that comment had meaning - and not just that being a Wizard is enough to differentiate himself from a vanilla human.
...
Kincaid is a scion. We know that now. And that he made his choice a long time ago. I really can't see him throwing out a comment like that in reference to something they both knew - that Dresden was a Wizard.
Not to say I know what it means. But I'm pretty sure it's important.
so she's not the supernatural parent who would make Harry "just as human" as Kincaid.
Wasn't Kincaid also insisting that he was a vanilla human in that scene?He was just protecting his secrets and telling nothing without lying. You can interpret his words in several ways and that is exactly what he wants.
He did not say he was a vanilla mortal.
"Just plain folk?"
"Yeah"
"Not supernatural?"
"I wish, Vanilla mortal."
"You're a liar."
"Excuse me?"
"I said you're a liar. I saw you during the fight at Wrigley, Kincaid. You fired a dozen shots, on the move and dodging bad guys the whole time."
"What's so supernatural about that?"
"In a fight, just plain folks miss sometimes. Maybe most times. You didn't miss once."
"What's the point of shooting if you're just going to miss? I'm as human as you are, Dresden. I'll see you later."
From Blood Rites, pages 94-95:Thanks for the quote. I should have done so.
You were saying?
Kincaid is porbably a faerie. That is why he was put in charge of Ivy. Ivy wouldn't be protected by a normal human.We know that Kincaid is a scion. The son of some nevernever being and a human. He is not a changeling. No faerie. We do not know what that nevernever being was and it might be interesting.
We know that Kincaid is a scion. The son of some nevernever being and a human. He is not a changeling. No faerie. We do not know what that nevernever being was and it might be interesting.
Who says that one of his parents was a being from the Nevernever?
"There are people walking around who carry the blood of the Nevernever in them," Ebenezar said. "...The faeries aren't the only ones who can breed with humanity, though, and the scions of such unions can have a lot of power. Their offspring are usually malformed. Freakish. Often insane. But sometimes the child looks human."
"Like Kincaid."
Ebenezar nodded.
Specific Characters, Places, and Objects
Harry and Lash (I'm treating Lash as a separate entity from Lasciel)
-What to people see when they soulgaze Harry?
-Who calmed Harry down outside Victor’s house?
-Who hit Harry’s car?*
-Who cast the spell that stopped Harry from entering the screening room?
-What are the special circumstances of Harry’s birth and their ramifications?
-Is Lash really dead?
-Why did Uriel give Harry soulfire?
-Why did Harry find Demonreach familiar, and what role will it play in his future?
-What is the mantle Ebenezer is considering for Harry?*
-Who killed Harry/had Harry killed?
-What will be Harry’s new relationship with Mab?
-Why is Odin helping Harry?
-Whose female voice does Harry hear at the end?
-What is causing Harry’s headaches?
-Why did Mouse choose Harry?
Molly
-Why is Winter (Lea) so interested in Molly?
-Why did Mab bring Molly into Arctis Tor?
-Who set Molly up at Splattercon!!!?
-Is Molly going to go warlock?
-What will happen to Molly now that Harry is presumed dead?
Maggie Sr. and Malcolm Dresden
-What relationship did Lea have with Maggie Sr?
-How did Malcolm Dresden die?
-Who/What was Malcolm Dresden?*
-What does Martha Liberty know about Maggie Sr.?
-Why was Maggie Sr. with Lord Raith?
-With what did Ebenezer trust Maggie Sr.?
-Why was Maggie Sr. going to Hell, and how did she escape?*
-How was Maggie Sr. connected to the Outsiders?
-How was Maggie Sr. connected to Nicodemus?
Mab and Winter
-Why is Winter so interested in Molly?
-Why does Mab want Harry as her Knight?
-Why did Mab bring Molly into Arctis Tor?
-What happened in the attack on Arctis Tor?
-How did Mab cure Lea of the Athame’s influence?
-Has the Athame affected Mab?
-How was Mab wounded?
-What was Mab’s goal in interfering?
-What will be Harry’s new relationship with Mab?
-How did Bob get on Mab’s bad side?*
Lea and the Athame
-What relationship did Lea have with Maggie Sr.?
-What is the Athame, and why did Bianca give it to Lea?
-Why did Lea burn Thomas when she kissed him?
-What exactly did the Athame do to Lea?
-What deal with Lea make with Odin?
-How did Odin and Lea manipulate the events of Changes?
-Who held the athame before Bianca?
Demonreach
-Where does Demonreach correspond to in the Nevernever?
-Why did Harry find Demonreach familiar, and what role will it play in his future?
-What was the shack on Demonreach, who built it, and how/why did it repel Shagnasty?
-How was/is the (singular) Warden associated with Demonreach?
-How is the Gatekeeper associated with Demonreach?
Titania and Aurora
-What caused Aurora to go mad?
-What is the relationship between Titania, Lily, and Fix?
-Why did Titania send the Gruffs after Harry?
The Gatekeeper
-Why is the Gatekeeper helping Harry?
-What exactly is the Gatekeeper’s job?
-How does the Gatekeeper’s prescience work, and how powerful is it?
-How is the Gatekeeper associated with Demonreach?
Marcone and Persephone
-What is Marcone’s real name?
-Why is Vadderung helping Marcone?
-What is going to happen to Persephone?
-How much influence does Marcone now have in the supernatural world?
Odin
-Why is Odin helping Marcone?
-Why is Odin helping Hary?
-How did Odin and Lea manipulate the events of Changes?
Ebenezer and the Blackstaff
-What was Kincaid’s previous experience with Ebenezer?
-What is the mantle Ebenezer is considering for Harry?*
-How/from whom did the White Council get the Blackstaff?
Cowl and Kumori
-Who are Cowl and Kumori?
-What were Cowl and Kumori doing at Bianca’s party?
-How did Cowl know about Bob?
-How is Cowl associated with the Red Court?
-Was Cowl the one to summon the Outsiders in Dead Beat?
-How did Cowl survive the failed Darkhallow?
-Why is Cowl working with the White Court dissenters?
-Why does Cowl have command of the super-ghouls?
Others
-Who/What is Mac?
-Why was Ferrovax at Bianca’s party, and what did he receive?
-Who are the Jade Court Vampires, and what are they doing?
-Who is Drakul, and is he involved?
-How is Lord Raith protected from magic, and does it have to do with his red earring?
-Who/What is Kincaid, and what does Harry's Sight vision of him signify?
-How did Mavra get the pictures of Murphy?
-What were the Merlin’s three plans to wipe out the Red court?
-How powerful/what exactly is Mouse, and why did he choose Harry?
-Why did Mavra want The Word of Kemmler?
-Is Corpsetaker still alive?*
-Who was/were Lasciel's previous host(s), and were they significant?
-What is the relationship between the Swords and royal blood?*
-Why did Nicodemus have Lasciel's coin, when Lasciel does not traditionally work with Anduriel?
-Who did Morgan lose in the attack on Archangel?
We know that Kincaid is a scion. The son of some nevernever being and a human. He is not a changeling. No faerie. We do not know what that nevernever being was and it might be interesting.
I don't believe ive ever posted on this site before but i do lurk on it all the time and feel its time to throw a crazy, off the cuff, no facts to back it up whatsoever theory out there. Granted i have no where near the talent of ms. Ducks who seems to come up with new genius theories all the time but Ill enjoy making up an answer to this anyway. Kincaid is going to end up being the son of the erlking and....dresdens grandmother. She was captured by Erl during a hunt and held captive. She bore him a son before Eb rescued her but by then the child had already been taken away. Later Eb meets Kincaid, realizes who he is, and gives him a chance to prove himself without telling him that he knows his mother. Later kincaid kills his mother for leaving him (doesnt Eb tell Harry something like you dont know what he has done?) And Eb has hated him ever since.
Why the Erlking you ask? No reason, just seemed more interesting than saying random scary nevernever creature. Ive got nothing to back this up but it is a storyline i would enjoy so i shared.
so if Kincaid is a Scion, doesn't that make Harry a Scion as well?
"What's the point of shooting if you're just going to miss?" He smiled, made a mime-gun of his thumb and index finger, and aimed at me. His thumb fell forward and he said, "I'm as human as you are, Dresden. I'll see you later." (Blood Rites)
"Just plain folk?"
"Yeah"
"Not supernatural?"
"I wish, Vanilla mortal."
"You're a liar."
"Excuse me?"
"I said you're a liar. I saw you during the fight at Wrigley, Kincaid. You fired a dozen shots, on the move and dodging bad guys the whole time."
"What's so supernatural about that?"
"In a fight, just plain folks miss sometimes. Maybe most times. You didn't miss once."
"What's the point of shooting if you're just going to miss? I'm as human as you are, Dresden. I'll see you later."
Oh hell no.
Kincaid was insisting that he was a vanilla mortal for the entire scene, he was effectively saying "you're human and I'm human as well" when he said that.
“... You're a liar”
“Excuse me?”
“I said you're a liar. I saw you fight at Wrigley, Kincaid. You fired a dozen shots, on the move and dodging bad guys the whole time."
He's a Scion, not a changeling.I thought a changeling was a specific type of scion. Is my interpretation of a scion incorrect?
And we know that Kincaid is centuries older than Ebenezar.
I thought a changeling was a specific type of scion. Is my interpretation of a scion incorrect?
Supernatural creature + mortal = scion
Faerie + mortal = changeling
"Why did Lea burn Thomas when she kissed him?"
Hmmmm...Think her madness was love? White Court Vampires are burned by people who are protected by Love (who had sex with both parties being in love). Wouldn't a Fae being in love be against their very nature? Wonder if it was Harry's Father!
Could that be what incurred the debt for Lea she traded Maggie's (sr) love for protection for her son and husband at her death? Part of that was love for Harry (mother to child) and harry's father. That would explain why Lea sees harry as her child (godchild).
I know it's probably soft, any theory based on any fact other than a WOJ or the word given in text from a being who is known to be unable to lie is subject to colouration as it is seen and heard through the eyes and ears of one Harry Dresden. Conversations held with other characters may similarly contain obfuscation and misdirection if not outright lies.
I take it that we read that passage entirely differently:
This I took to mean that everything before Harry called Kincaid a liar to be false, Kincaid does not deny the lie, he redirects. When he says he's just as human as Dresden is, I take this to be the only true statement he makes in the conversation, if for no other reason than that is the way I'd do it for dramatic flair – it makes for good storytelling (plus, Kincaid is a prick, I could see him saying something like this just to say “I told you so” later). If I’m right about Kincaid's statements in Blood Rights, then: if Kincaid is a scion (which defines him as not fully human) Harry must in turn have something unnatural in his bloodline. Unless I have evidence either of Harry's family tree or a WOJ saying I'm wrong, then 2 of four possible cases for this argument are equal.
1.) Harry and Kincaid are both not fully Human {x}
2.) Harry is fully human and Kincaid is not {x}
3.) Both Harry and Kincaid are fully human
4.) Harry is not fully human, but Kincaid is
Well biologically speaking.....
Anyone who can breed with humans and get fertile offspring is a human ;D
So the Fae are human, as are the White Court Vamps and the Grendel scion that Harry and Gard killed?Until somebody comes with another definition of what makes someone human in the dresdenverse the Shide can very well be seen as a subspecies of human.
What proof do we have that Harry's father was human? Ebenazar says he is mortal but we don't really know if he ever met Malcom. Yes, in Blood Rites he says something about Malcom having a good heart, and that would mean that he met him, but if he knew about Harry and Malcom wouldn't he have adopted Harry after Malcom died? Instead of leaving him alone to later be adopted by someone like Justin. And we can't really trust Harry's memories about his father, he was 6 years old when his father died, his memories have to be fuzzy, or they could have been tampered with. Another thing that bugs me is the knowledge that Malcom implies to have in Dead Beat about the things that were happening and what would still happen. I also found it strange that he could contact Harry in his dreams, no spirit (or is it ghost?) has this ability in the DV (as far as I know). There's also the fact that Harry could see him in the end of Dead Beat, if he can't see spirits without using his Sight, how could he see Malcom?
Harry isn't just an insignificant wizard. He isn't even a normal significant wizard. Harry is something special.
Until somebody comes with another definition of what makes someone human in the dresdenverse the Shide can very well be seen as a subspecies of human.
having a soul, and, seemingly ensuingly, having free will ? faerie have neither.If you think that is the significant difference. But both are still vague concepts we do not really understand. And rather difficult to use in a diagnostic test. Even with magic. The people who lost them do not think it important
In Grave Peril at the graveyard scene, and at the beginning of Summer Knight when Harry met Mab, it was hammered home that Fae can't really work their magic on you unless they already have a handle on you.
I thought that was that they couldn't kill you unless they already had a handle on you. They are allowed to mess in other ways though.
Or am I wrong?
I thought it was just the Queens not all fae
I've noticed something in Dead Beat that wa interesting. When Cowl lifts his arms to touch the Darkhollow, his arms are described as "long, weathered arms covered in old scars." NOW, the only person I can recall having this "weathered" descriptions is Injun Joe. Infact, many times that Injun Joe is introduced in the story this word appears. Theory, Injun Joe being a healer finds an injured Elaine, heals her, then recruits her. Joe is very interested in aspects of life and death that could tie into a benevolent form of Necromancy. Does this theory hold water?
Okay, I've added two questions:
-How was Maggie Sr. connected to the Outsiders?
-How do the Laws of Magic work?
Does anybody have any suggestions on how to make the second question less vague? It was the best I could come up with, given the amount of discussion in the Laws of Magic thread.
I have posted a possible answer to the first question here!: Maggie LeFay and the Outsiders (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,28692.0.html)If you add in some WoJ quotes and text references, you might be able to get this theory into the display case of theories that is being developed.
'Course, I made that thread almost a year ago, so it'll be going away soon. Maybe I should re-post it or something, since nothing has changed to alter the theory since then.
-- The Queens are not allowed to kill anyone who isn't a member of their own Court. (SK, Ch. 10)As I understand it, they're not able to kill anyone who's not involved in Faerie business.
-- We've seen fae servants of the Faerie Queens kill and attempt to kill mortals many times.It's only a physical restriction for the queens--for the rest of the Faeries, it's at best a guideline.
-- Aurora was able to try to kill Harry just fine, but was unable to harm Murphy. (SK, Ch. 20-21)See above: Harry was directly involved in Faerie business as Mab's emissary.
As I understand it, they're not able to kill anyone who's not involved in Faerie business.
It's only a physical restriction for the queens--for the rest of the Faeries, it's at best a guideline.See above: Harry was directly involved in Faerie business as Mab's emissary.
It would stand to reason that any magical ward (even one with a Hellfire bonus!) would fall under said category and that a Warden could destroy one without harming themselves (unless it was containing something nasty ;)). Otherwise, the swords are completely useless.
Or maybe Cowl's superiors didn't take well to the fact that Dresden managed to outmaneouver him.
He talks about HWWB having left a mark on him, after that junkie in Storm Front sees him on the policestation and mentions HWWB.
It was also implied that whatever mantle Ebenezar had in mind for Harry, claiming Deamonreach as santum kind of nixed the idea pretty thoroughly. I'm very curious to learn the full significance of that.
Rashid says that warning him about the island would be pointless. He’s a good judge of people, but I’m not so sure he’s right this time. The boy’s got a solid head on his shoulders, generally. And of all the wizards I know, he’s among the three or four I’d be willing to see take up that particular mantle. I trust his judgment.
so if Kincaid is a Scion, doesn't that make Harry a Scion as well?
"What's the point of shooting if you're just going to miss?" He smiled, made a mime-gun of his thumb and index finger, and aimed at me. His thumb fell forward and he said, "I'm as human as you are, Dresden. I'll see you later." (Blood Rites)
"Why did Lea burn Thomas when she kissed him?"
There is also a theory that Lea loved either Maggie Sr or Harry's Father and is protected from the white court (ahla justine).Wouldn't the protection have run out after about 40 years? I thought it had to be renewed?
Nope. Only if she's broken it, somehow, like by schtupping someone else.Didn't she do that with Harry earlier in the series? Or was it just an incredibly suggestive scene but no actual sex? My memory's fuzzy.
Didn't she do that with Harry earlier in the series? Or was it just an incredibly suggestive scene but no actual sex? My memory's fuzzy.
In Ghost Story, there is a reference fto Father Forthill's worn King James Bible.
The KJV isn't normally used in Catholic circles, there are 2 branches of the tree in the translations from early manuscripts. The KJV is on one branch, and the normally used Catholic Bible - the Douay-Rheims - is on the other branch.
In Ghost Story, there is a reference fto Father Forthill's worn King James Bible.
The KJV isn't normally used in Catholic circles, there are 2 branches of the tree in the translations from early manuscripts. The KJV is on one branch, and the normally used Catholic Bible - the Douay-Rheims - is on the other branch.
MY question I guess - i why would a Catholic Priest be using the King James Version?
If he tried to preach from it, he'd have the whole Congregation up in arms right up to and including the bishop.
I love the stories.
I'm also a bible college student.
Comments?
RE: The enchantment on the wardens' swords that allows them to slice through magic - does it only work on mortal magic, or any and all magic?
What proof do we have that Harry's father was human? Ebenazar says he is mortal but we don't really know if he ever met Malcom. Yes, in Blood Rites he says something about Malcom having a good heart,
The there is the option that Malcolm was Harry's father (as in raised him) but not his biological dad. Maybe Harry's mom was already pregnant and Malcolm was so in love with Maggie that he accepted the child as his (after all, he has a good heart). It would give another spin to the story and we would have to find out who the father was and what...
The there is the option that Malcolm was Harry's father (as in raised him) but not his biological dad. Maybe Harry's mom was already pregnant and Malcolm was so in love with Maggie that he accepted the child as his (after all, he has a good heart). It would give another spin to the story and we would have to find out who the father was and what...
But, still. If Sydna had known, she should've come out and said that. "Rubbish" just.. isn't nice. You know? Maybe it's just me.Sorry - I should have quoted the post I was responding to. My response was to Anthony, not Sydna. I've posted too much weirdness around here myself to ever call someone else's theory "rubbish" - besides which, as you said, it's not nice.
But, still. If Sydna had known, she should've come out and said that. "Rubbish" just.. isn't nice. You know? Maybe it's just me.
Elaine just gives me a weird feeling. So does Ebenezer actually. Maybe it's just me wanting them to be his allies so badly that my sinister side keeps warning me to be prepared for a sucker punch
Hello:It's not really an Unsolved Mystery if you find out what happened in a book that came out over a year ago.
Can someone let me know what happened to Mouse after Harry Died?
Thanks
Mouse went with Molly & Thomas in the helicopter from Chitzen (however-you-spell-it) at end of Changes. In Ghost Story, Harry (w/ Archangel Uriel) visits Maggie at the Carpenters' house & Mouse is there. Uriel tells Mouse to stay with Maggie & tells Harry that Mouse will potentially live as long as Maggie - even if she has a longer Wizard lifespan. (Several Archangels have similiar U---- names. It's the one Harry talked to in Ghost Story. Uriel?)