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DF Spoilers / Re: Does Thomas get a free pass?
« on: March 13, 2024, 03:33:05 PM »
Quote from: Mira on March 13, 2024, 12:23:45 PM
...  I don't see a date on the quote, so I don't know when he said it or what he was planning for Thomas at that time.
"2011 Naperville Signing" (says the WoJ document, about that quote).
It's a very good point, however, that Jim's ideas may have evolved in the dozen+ years since his off-the-cuff answers at a live event.

Quote from: Mira on March 13, 2024, 12:23:45 PM
... However having Thomas locked up on Demonreach isn't much fun either is it? ...

But it's very very convenient, for the author... maybe he doesn't want to deal with Thomas for a book or three.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Does Thomas get a free pass?
« on: March 13, 2024, 06:28:59 AM »
Quote from: Mira on March 12, 2024, 11:26:41 AM
Do you have the WOJ on that?  It isn't that I don't doubt you, I just haven't seen it...

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... She could rip that thing right out of Thomas. Not that there would be much of Thomas left after she was done. Mab’s not particularly gentle that way. It’s possible that there might be some way to get out of it, maybe, but what fun would that be?
https://wordof.jim-butcher.com/index.php/word-of-jim-woj-compilation/woj-on-the-fae/



 
Quote from: Mira on March 12, 2024, 11:26:41 AM
... this reads like two different cases to me. Alfred doing it may seem Mab-ish, but it doesn't follow that it would have the same effect as if Mab had done it..  I keep returning to the image of the soul gaze in Blood Rites, the slight vanilla human fighting and losing the fight to the Hunger Demon ... 

It absolutely is two separate cases.  But AFAIK, the "Mab case" is the only one we know of where Jim has said yes, that power could remove a whampire's hunger demon.

It's just that -- of the two of them -- I'd pick Mab as being more subtle & discriminating, more capable of being subtle and discriminating.  Alfred tends not to do very much, but... when he does what he does it's big & potent and not at all subtle.

I'm not even clear Alfred is capable of noticing any difference between Thomas & his demon.

Stomp on an entity trying to breach the Well's security.
At the Warden's command, commit an entity to the Well.

Filter through the soul of a whampire whose Hunger Demon has been there since birth?  Support said soul, as he performs psychic surgery to separate them?  It just doesn't say "Alfred" to me.


Molly, now... Molly's an apt one to consider.
I could see a screwed-up plot-arc where Molly thinks the Lara/Harry romance deserves being "balanced" with a Thomas/Molly romance; both whampire & wizard.

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Site Suggestions & Support / Re: Is there an "Ignore" feature?
« on: March 11, 2024, 10:55:44 PM »
FWIW:

Still don't know how to content-ignore (e.g. vs spoilerific material, or something flame-bait-ish but also catnip-for-me, that keeps burning me).

But user-ignore's are a thing:

In your own "user profile" the sidebar of options on the left (on a fullscreen, dunno for phone users) there's a "buddy/ignore" list.

By default, you see the "buddy" list.  Click to change to Ignore list.
Add usernames you want to ignore.

You will still see that they posted -- they aren't "invisible" to you -- but not what they posted, though each message has an option to show that message.  Conceptually, it's rather akin to a spoiler-block:  you have to take positive action to be "spoilered."

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DF Spoilers / Re: Does Thomas get a free pass?
« on: March 11, 2024, 10:38:15 PM »
Quote from: Mira on March 09, 2024, 12:01:24 PM
  Alfred may not understand or always get what Harry says to him, but he understands monsters.  So it may turn out that if Harry orders him to free Thomas, he will do just that, free Thomas.. However the Hunger Demon will remain in prison because it is a monster, an unintended consequence.

I think Demonreach is more Mab-ish, here.  It might be able to remove the Hunger Demon... but that would almost-certainly destroy Thomas' mind & psyche (WoJ has explicitly addressed Mab doing so).

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara and Harry
« on: March 11, 2024, 10:35:16 PM »
Quote from: Lord Kinbote on March 10, 2024, 08:57:02 PM
... My money is on the White Court demon being unable to affect Harry as the WK ...
Hope you didn't bet very much!

1.  We've seen in PT & BG that Harry is still susceptible to Whamp-mojo.  He always notices, points out to Lara something to the effect that she's being rude, and Lara tamps it down; but we've seen that WK-Harry is absolutely affected.

2.  I'm quite sure I've seen WoJ that the Whampire-sex-thing and the WK-mantle-sex-thing don't "cancel out" at all; it's rather the opposite, it's more like they are additive... an explosive combination.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Does Thomas get a free pass?
« on: March 08, 2024, 06:01:43 PM »
Quote from: Mira on March 08, 2024, 02:10:39 PM
  The problem with that is Red Court vampires were different than White Court vampires, only thing in common was both are a form of vampire...
I'd phrase that even more strongly:  Rampires & Whampires are entirely-different (and unrelated) sorts of beings.  Whampire children are born to whampire parents; they are a human with a Whamp hunger-demon inside.  Rampires are a parasitic infection, inflicted by other Rampires; the hatching young kills the human.

We call them both "vampires" but that's lumping them together for our own convenience.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Does Thomas get a free pass?
« on: March 08, 2024, 05:52:23 PM »
Quote from: Mira on March 07, 2024, 03:10:21 PM
I wouldn't sell Alfred short on that ...
Alfred consistently shows a very stolid presence, and he often doesn't "get" some things Harry says to him.  He -- it, really -- has tremendous amount of power, but specifically only grasps things & applies the power to what's in his own domain.

Imprisoning Thomas is clearly within the scope of that.

Finely sorting through the elements of Thomas' soul, disentangling the Hunger Demon (that was inborn, part of him from birth) is a much-more delicate sort of thing, and IIRC we've ever seen Alfred show any such abilities.

Quote from: Mira on March 07, 2024, 03:10:21 PM
...  We will have to see..
As we always have to, yes.   ???
Jim hasn't written it yet (I presume -- maybe Thomas is getting out in Twelve Months, but I'm betting not!  But fwiw that book is at 50% complete, per Jim's "upcoming works" page; I'm also betting on Thomas still being "on ice" in Mirror Mirror).

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara and Harry
« on: March 07, 2024, 02:52:52 AM »
Quote from: Tinfoil hat on March 05, 2024, 01:07:32 PM
Thats a great image. Genuinely laughed ...
Thanks!   ;D
Quote from: Tinfoil hat on March 05, 2024, 01:07:32 PM
... But that seems like a Mab thing to do.
You think Mab didn't envision it in almost exactly those terms?
I'm pretty sure she did!

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DF Spoilers / Re: Does Thomas get a free pass?
« on: March 07, 2024, 01:26:57 AM »
Quote from: Mira on March 06, 2024, 07:10:44 PM
... Possible, what I see though is the island separating the Hunger Demon from the very human Thomas ...

I have seen this theory before.
I am extremely dubious about it.

I think Jim has written some of these Big Deal(tm) artifacts -- like the Island / the well -- as much more "Big Guns," and not really capable, not really relevant, to such a fine discrimination as filtering a Whampire Hunger Demon out of a human being.  I doubt Alfred would even comprehend the request.

That being said... the dominant Whampire form seems to be Lust, with relatively few feeding from despair or fear.  And these Lust demons are profoundly-subject to Love; someone in Love burns them on-contact, and if a proto-Whamp makes love to someone they genuinely love... that burns away the Hunger Demon forever.

And lo, we have Chekhov's Amoracchius, the Sword of Love.

If Thomas is to be de-Whampired, my bet is on Amoracchius to do the job.  Because while an Angel is a "Big Gun," they're also (very much) capable of the sort of "fine discrimination" that I don't see Demonreach achieving.

And then we'd have a modern Elric (Moorcock's tormented, white, sword-wielding / frail-without-sword guy) ... which could be a bit tempting for Jim...  ;-)

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara and Harry
« on: March 04, 2024, 10:33:54 PM »
Quote from: Overfinch on March 04, 2024, 08:44:25 PM
I have to agree that Harry being celibate/lovelorn has become a little stale. He deserves some uncomplicated action ...

The thing is, Jim has really consistently written Harry as specifically not wanting "some uncomplicated action."  So it'd be a substantial break in character.
 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara and Harry
« on: March 04, 2024, 08:27:49 PM »
Quote from: Mira on March 04, 2024, 07:20:15 PM
Poor Harry, he never has been into casual sex, and steady ladies have been few and far between, so few outlets..  After Susan left him I think he went about five years protected until Luccio came along, that was short lived.. Come to think of it the time period that he actually had sex with Murphy was only a few months at most before she died. 

Susan Rodriguez - monsters got her, turned into a bloodthirsty Rampire
Anastasia Luccio - Brainwashed "fine thrall" specifically sent to surveil Harry via pillowtalk &c.
Karrin Murphy - Successively worse and worse injuries until she died.

ALL of these specifically because they were trying to operate in Harry's world.
Harry's lifestyle is awfully hard on the women who get romantic with him.

He needs to get with someone an awful lot tougher...  ValkMurpherie, SumMolLady, etc.

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DF Spoilers / Re: How Murphy could return to the Dresden Files
« on: March 01, 2024, 04:01:07 PM »
Quote from: magnuskn on March 01, 2024, 02:38:19 PM
... I agree that she recovered a bit too much on the eve of Battle Grounds (Hobbs from Fast and Furious 7 comes to mind when she just had to take off her cast to get better), but as a last hurrah as her mortal badass self, it worked for me.
Note that the Dr's typically like to leave a cast on broken bones beyond the point that the bones are healed-enough for light-use.

The point of the break will still be very tender (and much more susceptible to being re-broken!) but you can use the limb for most ordinary things.

I was presuming that was the stage Murphy was at, when she took off her own cast.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara and Harry
« on: March 01, 2024, 03:55:36 PM »
Quote from: LostInTime on March 01, 2024, 02:51:10 PM
Per Something Borrowed (I think that's the title. I don't have a reference handy) The marriage ceremony removes true love's protection. Once the wedding goes down, Harry has no protection from Lara ...

IIRC, that's specifically a Faerie/contractual thing (a marriage being (from the Fae POV) a very contractual affair (oaths &c:  "to have and to hold, forsaking all others, from this day forward, 'til death do us part...")).  I'd need to go back and read the story to be sure whether Harry was actually that specific in the exposition.

I doubt the Whampire Hunger is affected by the ceremony either way; I certainly wouldn't expect a loveless political marriage to convey any protections, so I don't see why a political marriage would end them.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Does Thomas get a free pass?
« on: February 29, 2024, 08:44:39 PM »
Quote from: OutsideIn on February 15, 2024, 07:09:06 AM
Just because his babies held hostage in a way... Doesn't give you a free pass to murder...
No, it doesn't give you a "free pass."
But we have seen that the Sartalves really, really value their children...

If Thomas could somehow prove that he intentionally "missed" Etri (could have killed him but didn't) in an action of an Outsider-war and in protection of his child... then they might be willing to accept weregild.  Not exactly happy about it, but they could see how they might be driven to similar extremity by a similar threat to their own child(ren).

Maybe...
(I admit it's a stretch).
Maybe Harry could hire Maximillian Valerious to plead the case...?


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DF Spoilers / Re: Gatekeeper
« on: February 29, 2024, 08:03:55 PM »
Quote from: Mira on February 29, 2024, 01:31:36 PM
I also think it is very hard to guess what Rashid's real age is, remember he spends 90% or more of his time at the Gates in the Nevernever, time works differently there ...
That's my point, yes:
Quote from: g33k on February 22, 2024, 12:05:20 AM
I believe Rashid is the oldest WC wizard, and I suspect that comes from spending so long in extreme time-dilation at the Outer Gates & other deep-Nevernever regions.
I don't know that he spends "90%" (or any other specific number) of his time at the Outer Gates (afaik this isn't something that's ever been specified), but it's certainly a lot of his time... enough to hugely-extend the elapsed mortal-world time since his birth, without actually "aging" him.

But Rashid is at least 1300-ish years old, in terms of mortal-world-years-since-birth, per WoJ.  And I think (I'd have to go delving to be sure) we also have WoJ that wizards' lifespan is normally 400ish years.  That's a pretty notable discrepancy, whether taken as absolute years or as a multiplier.

Quote from: Mira on February 29, 2024, 01:31:36 PM
... because he has spent most of those years in the Nevernever, his age appears to be or close to Eb's age..   
I think wizards go through a huge long plateau of general good health & fitness with very slow "apparent" aging, that begins in their mid/late 20's and lasts for around 300-350 years; then, when they finally begin to look "old" (apparent age 65ish?) they begin to age less-slowly (though still not fast) for another 50ish years.

AFAIK, there is no WoJ as to whether some kinds of magic (e.g. water-magic, which is related to healing), or an individual wizard's particular power (e.g. Harry is very-strong) get more of this benefit (whether "younger looks" or more actual years, etc) than others do.

I strongly suspect that two wizards' relative "apparent ages" are a very-poor way to figure out which is actually the elder of the two.
 

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