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DF Spoilers / Re: Chapter 4 Drop
« on: June 25, 2020, 12:20:59 PM »
@Arjan: Protection from mortals?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Chapter 4 Drop
« on: June 25, 2020, 11:44:57 AM »
@morriswalters: I do too actually, mainly b/c from a Doylist perspective it kinda narrows things down. i mean we don't see Harry doing too many parent-y things.

@Mira: I gotta brush up on the subject. But I'm not too sure if her nationality is even listed as American. You would think Susan would would lie about that due to trying to cover up tracks for Maggie.
I'm not sure it matters too much about her being American, she was taken from one country to another by people who had no legal
rights to her.

Oh yeah you're right that def happens. I wish we would get more details but I don't think we will, prolly b/c Butcher doesn't want to. True he can.

IIRC, it's the Carpenters who have 'legal' custody over Maggie. Though how they felt about any presumed danger Harry posed to Maggie wouldn't matter b/c it wouldn't be up to them but the law. And when kids get removed from biological parents its not always b/c of abuse, there are various factors that can go into cases. Harry's background would be looked into as a matter of course on top of having home visits from social workers. He might not get custody b/c of not having a steady income, his relationship w/ the police would be something they'd look into and who his associates and friends are. There's also where he's living now and they'd wonder where he got the finances for it. Hm, now that I really think on it, they'd probably be suspicious on that alone. 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Chapter 4 Drop
« on: June 25, 2020, 10:10:15 AM »
Well sometimes kids have to be separated from their parents for their own safety unfortunately.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Chapter 4 Drop
« on: June 25, 2020, 05:47:53 AM »
The Carpenters, more or less. In that time Guatemala of the 1980's and 90's, there were plenty of wealthy foreigners buying or outright kidnapping children to the point where the Guatemalan government closed its doors on international adoption so that its system could be reformed.

The US State Dept announced that it wouldn't allow for anymore adoptions until Guatemala's adoption procedures were fully Hague compliant, with only a handful of agencies allowed to do so and only after social services tried tried to find a home for the child in their own family or community.

To quote the recap, "Furthermore, international adoptions involve federal oversight, state oversight, passports, visas, hearings, documentation, admission quotas, and social workers checking to see about living space and family finances, and take, oh, about a year to two years to finalize."

{... }"And once she was in Chicago, the Carpenters went to Father Forthill at St. Mary of the Angels and asked him to arrange for them to adopt her -- exactly the type of private international adoption that, by the time of Changes, was no longer allowed by Guatemala or the United States"

So yeah, I would say yes formal adoption would be required. I'm not sure what arrangements Susan made but Maggie was placed with the Mendozas'. Even if it wasn't 'formal' adoption, they'd still have to put something on Maggie's information, so it's a safe bet that she does have Guatemalan citizenship.

Maggie's parents citizenship doesn't matter in this case, as she wasn't living with them. Harry didn't even know she existed and I don't think he'd even be listed as the father on her birth certificate. He's only known her for about a year as well. I don't know how many, if any parental rights he'd have under the law.

@Dina: Oh def that was a rough convo for Eb and Harry. I liked but yeah, that was hard to read. I do hope they get to talk more. They both need it.Yeah, I've been thinking on that too. On safe as possible, that ship may have sailed but...I dunno I just don't feel that comfy with that since all the really dangerous opponents like the WCV, the Denarians, and the Winter Court know about her and really there's only so much Harry(and his allies) can do to keep her safe. And yeah, no place is going to be 100% safe but that's still a pretty big jump to go from there to literal monsters trying to kill/torture/gaslight/etc you.

Right! Poor Maggie. She does need the best but I'm just worried that Harry might not be able to give it to her no matter how much he loves her.

 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Chapter 4 Drop
« on: June 24, 2020, 09:52:59 PM »
Well, the point I'm trying to make is that being with Harry doesn't make her safer and could in fact, do the opposite. I read a review/recap of 'Christmas Eve' that helped me, b/c it had math/timelines to figure out and from there I could think of a non-violent example for things. With those dates, 'Changes' took place in 2008 and 'Christmas Eve' either takes place in 2011 or 2014. (Which means the youngest Maggie can be is 11 and 14 at the oldest).
And my example is that b/c Maggie has been illegally adopted, as  Guatemala closed its doors to international adoption in 2008, and despite whatever paperwork Father Forthill did to arrange things, the fact that Maggie is there unlawfully doesn't change. If a baddie like Lara wanted to use mortal resources to use mortal authorities to take Maggie away they could.

I'm not sure how healthy it is for Maggie to be raised by the man who killed her birth mother.     

For anyone who's curious about the timelines or just want a look: (https://anagnorisisawakening.dreamwidth.org/4043.html)

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DF Spoilers / Re: WAG McCoy [SPOILERS PT Ch4 + mf "Journal"]
« on: June 24, 2020, 05:23:15 PM »
Well I dunno about letting Eb off too easy. I was under the impression that magic was involved in keeping Harry hidden and in the foster care system. I could see Lea responsible for that, considering how she feels about teaching. Hey, maybe she's the one responsible for Malcolm's death. After all, Winter getting their own starborn would be a great feather in their collective cap.
I think both Eb and LeFay could have approached Morgan simultaneously w/o the other knowing it. Tho Eb really would owe Morgan one for that.   

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DF Spoilers / Re: Chapter 4 Drop
« on: June 24, 2020, 05:14:46 PM »
@knightedbishop: Yeah I think it's how he dies that counts. Oh, yeah that's also a good point that Eb could be the cause of the schism. I like how it shows growth on Harry's part but I do think its more of a point that Harry leads a pretty dangerous life and that won't stop anytime soon. I'm not sure just how safe Maggie will be tbh.

@Dina: I don't think people will come after Harry so direct after this, if they do it's b/c they are unleashing him and they found a way to make sure he'll be too enraged to think about what/how he's doing things.

@Yuillegan: Yeah I see what you mean. I'm glad you're thinking more critically than me. :) I wouldn't have caught this. The secrecy on the BC is usually well reasoned but it gets to point where nothing could get done if people didn't compare notes on some scale. Or at least found/invented a way to detect it/their signature, what have you.
Hm, I think that Harry's need for family is overriding his common sense. I know he's saying that Maggie needs a dad but what she needs is safety and I'm not entirely convinced that he can provide that. I mean, sure, he can physically repel enemies but when you've got someone like Lara as an enemy, well she won't go for an obvious move.  But I think Harry's projecting a little, and this is why he talks about Eb not being able to protect Maggie Sr.
That's a good idea about Michael setting such a standard and yeah Harry doesn't really want to stop doing what he's doing. Maybe a part of learning all this stuff the hard way is taking Maggie(and Mouse) somewhere else. B/c by the time Harry realizes that he he'd have to choose between saving the world or being a parent, it'll be too late. Eb getting killed is just icing on the cake.
I think Susan's plan to keep Maggie safe would have worked if she hadn't gotten involved in Maggie's life.  I think Harry's choices will make it worse for Maggie. Eb's line about putting aside personal feelings could well be foreshadowing for that.

@CrusherJen: Yeah probably.
 
@Arjan: Yeah sometimes the conflict is a little too forced. That whole time I was just wondering why they didn't go back inside to have that conversation, like, people can see you.

@EBRIEN: I hope so. I like hurt/comfort but I like the latter more.

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DF Spoilers / Re: New Drop Chapter Three
« on: June 23, 2020, 11:47:27 PM »
I like that theory and I hope it's gets confirmed.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Chapter 4 Drop
« on: June 23, 2020, 11:45:44 PM »
@Walter the Skull: Yeah and now that I think on it, they do have some shadiness to them.
@Mira: So many good points. If Eb had done a better job raising her she could have ended up in a different place. But there comes a time when an adult has to stop laying the blame of their bad choices on their parents.
Oh a definite cheap shot. Like, I didn't expect him to say that. I reeled back when I read that. You know, I bet Eb knew that she was targeted due to him and this is just (hopefully) lashing out and he does need to apologize for that.
Maybe he does. As much as I love to see the drama, I need to see the make up too.
Oh, yeah good point about Maggie. Sheesh, is it just the svartalves, Thomas, or WC business that's got him so jumpy. Lol answered my own question. Huh, I guess he's just feeling really wrong footed.
@Dina: Yeah, I'm wondering why they didn't meet sooner and yes that is some total foreshadowing.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Chapter 4 Drop
« on: June 23, 2020, 11:15:04 PM »
@morriswalters: Yeah and she died in a situation that was probably of her own making as well, at least in part, by hanging out w/ the wrong crowd. Maggie Jr got targeted b/c of who she's related to. So yeah, some differences there. Harry's a danger magnet and I think his desire for a more nuclear family is overriding more important things.
Lol no, but this chapter indicates Eb might not show up b/c he died.
Yeah, Harry should have let her decide. He didn't exactly sound enthusiastic to have them meet anyway!

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DF Spoilers / Re: Chapter 4 Drop
« on: June 23, 2020, 10:59:20 PM »
Maybe a family friend? Someone who could recognize that she'd develop magic and be able to tell Eb. I mean maybe his wife's family or his side? Yeah I dunno.
I get why he's freaking out about Maggie Jr. I mean now a lot of people know who she is. That whole line Harry said about people trying again...feels like foreshadowing, especially when combo'd with Eb's nervousness/dislike/warning about Svartalves. I mean, I remember that bigfoot story where Irwin was bullied by Svartalves kids and that was explained by them learning how to be predators in 'safe spaces'. Just ugh. No. Do not want.

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DF Spoilers / Re: New Drop Chapter Three
« on: June 23, 2020, 10:51:05 PM »
Yeah it'd be nice if fae had souls, at least that would mean that Molly isn't getting shafted.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Chapter 4 Drop
« on: June 23, 2020, 10:47:35 PM »
Gosh, I liked this chapter so much more than 3. Wow it got so real and I'm so here for that. I am curious as to who raised Maggie Sr then.
I'm also wondering about the microfiction 'Journal' now and Eb's relationship to it. Does Eb know what Morgan knew? Did he read it and if so, is this something that would have shocked him? I mean, 'Journal' pretty much implied/inferred that Harry was hidden away to disappear into the system by/with magic, so what, Eb wouldn't be able to find him no matter what?
I mean I get what Eb is saying, like I even agree to an extent but oh wow...just wow. This is the kind of messy family dynamics that I love.

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DF Spoilers / Re: New Drop Chapter Three
« on: June 22, 2020, 12:54:38 AM »
Yeah, esp since he's gotta be so secretive if he doesn't want to give away major spoilers.

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DF Spoilers / Re: New Drop Chapter Three
« on: June 21, 2020, 10:16:27 PM »
@Mira: Pretty much. I mean I understand that some world building details aren't going to be used in the main storyline, but this is pretty big, I'd say.
@morriswalters: *Shrugs* I'm not sure.

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