Curious to know what Harry, Molly, Thomas, and Butters think of the new movies. And the franchise as a whole.
I'm guessing Harry and Butters are original trilogy sticklers who refuse to acknowledge the prequels, though Butters is up on pre-Phantom Menace Expanded Universe. And despite anything Harry says, I bet he thinks the Ewoks were cute, to Thomas' and Butters' disgust.
Thomas, despite his disdain for the portrayal, feels something of a sympathy with prequel Anakin, always being tempted by a darker side, but also a contempt for his weakness at dealing with it. He has only seen the movies and the Clone Wars animated series.
Molly enjoys all of it, understanding that just because it has imperfections doesn't mean it should be condemned. I'm hoping she brings some Star Wars-esque beings into the Winter Court.
None of them like Porgs.
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And what was the deal at the end, where the two little boys were telling the story of the battle between Luke and Ben, then showing one of them going out to sweep and using the force?Yeah, the expanded universe never really force users as being all that rare. I mean in the movies you'd think Luke, Lea, Vader, Emperor, Obiwan, etc were the only ones who were force users/potentials. In the EU, there are many force communities out there in the galaxy, with many people having some, medium, and strong strengths in the force.
I think that could totally be a hint that there are lots of force users out there that are not getting trained, but could be gathered.
Haha. No.
I could see though, in line with some of what I've said before, that Jar Jar's 'clumsiness' is part of an innate force talent. Though the point at which he stops being clumsy is a clue that he has then become vulnerable and made into Palpatine's tool or he becomes deadly serious and cautious. In the books, Palpatine's master was still alive and active during the Phantom Menace despite Palpatine believing him dead.
It be pretty cool to find Jar Jar Binks come back to us as a wizened jedi/sith.
If you draw back the curtains far enough in the expanded universe, you have Abeloth in cycles breaking free of her prison manipulating events more until she is once more fully imprisoned. These cycles correspond with the rise and falls of the Sith and Jedi. Abeloth is imprisoned within the MAW, a group of black holes near which there exists a tight passage to a safe spot within a center of gravity of the cluster. The MAW is part of the created prison complex near the Kessel system and it is this black hole cluster (MAW) that Han Solo and others talk about when they allude to the Kessel Run. They have to get close but not to close. So that's it!!! Maybe the Kessel Run, the Maw, and Han's boast about it being 12 parsecs will be relevant in the next movie. They will uncover a secret passage into the MAW installation. (The expanded universe already went there).
I am not saying I believe it. In fact, I don't want to believe it. It goes against the grain of Star Wars being the Skywalker saga. But, I suspect that it will be so in order to appease certain non-plot related needs.
I wanted to love it; but, I kept seeing more socio-political points and less plot points.
I just read more about jar jar.
He has made a return to naboo as a clown in a book that is Canon. He is trying to make people happy. He knows he made mistakes. And the people of naboo have ostracized him but the kids like him, thus he is a clown.
Unfortunately it appears that the nerds last refuge (Star Wars, new Star Trek series, Ghostbusters, certain comic book related things) have been hijacked for this purpose, and it's sad. As a nerd I enjoyed a magical world to get away from the stresses of the real world only to find even my fantasy worlds are now being infringed on.Well said, groinkick, well said. It makes me feel old and stained that that which I loved when I was younger has become a part of someone else's force-fed message.
In the expanded universe, Jar Jar Binks was a senator allied with Palpatine. Palpatine often sent him on missions or Binks went on missions.
One such mission has him:
While attempting to escape, Binks accidentally destroyed Amidala's yacht with a magnetic crane; ruining their chance to contact for help. He donned a Jedi robe Amidala had stored in her back closet, which led the droids to mistake him for a Jedi.
I think Jar Jar turns out to be an untrained natural Jedi that learns while on missions among Jedi. I now need to watch the animated tv star wars series clone wars.
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I think there is a statement that Kylo didn't lie but that doesn't mean that he knows the whole truth either.
Can anyone explain the Sith structure, one master, one apprentice that was mentioned in Episode I?
Can there really only be 2 Sith in the entire Galaxy?
Can anyone explain the Sith structure, one master, one apprentice that was mentioned in Episode I?
Can there really only be 2 Sith in the entire Galaxy?
Can anyone explain the Sith structure, one master, one apprentice that was mentioned in Episode I?
Can there really only be 2 Sith in the entire Galaxy?
Regarding the Sith then .... how do their numbers expand? If Vader had survived and Palpatine too, would Vader eventually become a "Master" Sith and sought out his own apprentice, and Palpatine getting another?
Regarding the Sith then .... how do their numbers expand? If Vader had survived and Palpatine too, would Vader eventually become a "Master" Sith and sought out his own apprentice, and Palpatine getting another?
Can anyone explain the Sith structure, one master, one apprentice that was mentioned in Episode I?The rule of two(which is a book of the same name iirc) was invented(iirc lol) by Darth Bane as a way to prevent the infighting and civil wars of the Sith order of earlier days. Supposed to be the apprentice surpasses and ergo kills the master and finds his own apprentice, or finds apprentice and teams up to kill master, ect.
Can there really only be 2 Sith in the entire Galaxy?
The rule of 2 was also protection against the Sith history of internal fratricide on steroids.THAT lol, so that...
If you go to the dark side, does that "automagically" make you want to kill other force users?
No. The act of going to the darkside requires really negative emotions. So the type of person to cross over is most likely the type of person who is ambitious, violent, and paranoid. Those are the characteristics that make them dangerous. They aren't automatically murderers of other force users though. For example Darth Plagus wanted an equal to rule the galaxy with. Unfortunately for him Sidius didn't feel the same way. Another Darth ended up being killed because he had feelings for the female he'd taken on as an apprentice, she wanted to rule though.
Dark side users use all their emotions while light side typically do not. Anakin went over to the dark side because of the love of a woman, and his willingness to do anything to save her, which is why Jedi aren't allowed to have to have romantic relationships.
Once again, there were Sith in the past who wanted there to be a lot of other Sith. It was Darth Bane who became Emperor who started the trend of only 2.
So the Sith could start up a temple and start recruiting force users and training them like the Jedi did, since the Sith Emperor is now long gone?
No. The act of going to the darkside requires really negative emotions. So the type of person to cross over is most likely the type of person who is ambitious, violent, and paranoid. Those are the characteristics that make them dangerous. They aren't automatically murderers of other force users though. For example Darth Plagus wanted an equal to rule the galaxy with. Unfortunately for him Sidius didn't feel the same way. Another Darth ended up being killed because he had feelings for the female he'd taken on as an apprentice, she wanted to rule though.
Dark side users use all their emotions while light side typically do not. Anakin went over to the dark side because of the love of a woman, and his willingness to do anything to save her, which is why Jedi aren't allowed to have to have romantic relationships.
Once again, there were Sith in the past who wanted there to be a lot of other Sith. It was Darth Bane who became Emperor who started the trend of only 2.
There's also the fact that if you want to use the Dark Side effectively the only way to do so is to negative-feedback-loop all of your negative emotions for more power. You have to stack Rage onto Rage onto Rage until you're basically a frothing, rabid lunatic likely to go off at the drop of a hat.QuoteThat's the Sith methods of grasping the dark side as the 'true' force. The jedi 'light' was actually developed second from the original Grey methods.QuoteA Sith would take the time you... I dunno, cut them off in traffic, and deliberately twist that into a bigger and bigger attack on their person, so that they could feed on the emotions that came with it for power. They're intentionally wallowing in their own negativity.That's true for sith though sure.
Well, if the Sith need to wallow in negativity; they should join Twitter.
Well, if the Sith need to wallow in negativity; they should join Twitter.
I don't know that Twitter's quite dark enough for the Sith. They'd probably go for Tumblr, or a Youtube comment section.
I have to disagree with, apparently, most of the people on this thread. I really liked TLJ, in fact, I thought it was quite possibly the best Star Wars movie so far. They had an interesting plot that never went quite the way you'd expect. Had a good mix of drama with some lighthearted moments that I thought worked well. They had some cute, kitschy critters, but were restrained in their use enough that they didn't become cloying or distracting. The action scenes were well-done and actually advanced the plot. And I really liked the interaction between Luke and Rey.Lots of spoilers, cuz the plot of the movie is where I have problems.
I understand that some people were disappointed at the notion that Rey's parents were nobodies, but I thought that actually made the most sense in the context of the story. First of all, having her be the secret daughter of Luke, or even Obi-wan, would have been pretty contrived. Second, it was the most dramatic and heartbreaking discovery for Rey. For Luke, pretty much the worst thing he could have discovered was that Darth Vader was his father. For Rey, it was learning that her parents were nobodies and couldn't give her the answers she was seeking. I really hope they don't backtrack on this and try to make her actually the daughter of some important character, and I will be very disappointed if they do
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I'll laugh if another company buys the rights to star wars and then voids these last few movies Disney did calling them legends and starting over. It would give the fans of the new movies a taste of what it feels like to be an expanded universe fan.*Snickers*
TLDR: New movies are shit because they're busy trying to tear down the old movies to prop themselves up, instead of trying to be good on their own merits.
I think that preaching socio-political messages as plot points does not work for sci-fi movies. Focuse on making the movie good and the message will get across.
A little late to the party, but I read an interesting take on the whole bringing balance to the force issue. I will try to find the author, but essentially the assertion was that Anakin brought balance to the force by killing the Sith Order. Since Darth Bane the Sith have lived by the rule of 2 keeping the number of dark side users artificially low. Granted, there were other dark side users out there (Nightsisters for example), but nothing like the Sith Empire of Old. So on one side you had thousands of Jedi using the light side versus a limited number of Sith tapping into the Dark Side. That was the imbalance. By killing Palpatine and then dying Anakin killed the Sith legacy and the majority of the Sith teachings (outside of Holocrons) was lost. This, along with the previous destruction of the Jedi Order, would allow for an organic growth of light and dark side users and restore a balance between the two sides.
2. Based off canon, Palpatine gave secret orders regarding a contingency where he sent several fleets and military assets in case of his death some of which was to seed the new order within the unknown regions. So he could have ordered them there postdeath plans Or they naturally assembled.
I could see a cloned palpatine being a possibility in the Contingency now after reading a brief synopsis about the canon trilogy.I'm of two minds about that possibility. One, it would be cool to have a Big Bad that wasn't all talk, but Two, I really, really hope we don't have any clone business with regard to resurrecting dead characters. Have Kylo find the equivalent of the original Sith temple, or have Palpatine as a Force ghost advising him so he's less of a petulant boy.
...Palpatine had planned for Sith artifacts to be dropped in jakku core via mining shaft which would initiate explosion and result in the subsequent destruction of planet and ships in orbit. ....
How did the Rebellion take down the Empire and in 20+ years lose everything they had gain?
How did the Rebellion take down the Empire and in 20+ years lose everything they had gain?
Good point on Grand Admiral Thrawn. He was the greatest character in the expanded universe. I also loved the facts related to his downfall. :)I know you are itching to spoil it Raidem. So go ahead.
Anyone want to ask what they are, and who they apply to? And, how some of those same facts could be used to verify if Rey is related to the Skywalker line? Anyone?
Anyone know what I'm talking about before I spoil it?
Thank you Talby16. It lines up quite well with what I remember in the books. I just didn't have the time nor the accurate recall to go further into the specifics.