Sometimes I think we all are sharing the same brain. I was just gonna ask if there were any other prophecy-esque statements like the ThreeEye junkie's that we should revisit. Do you want only the examples here or do you also want the discussions about what they might mean in light of CD information? Also, is there some way to just pull my ThreeEye Junkie thread over here?
Does that spirit he contact to get the rest of the prophecy about him dying have anything interesting?
"Love is patient. Love is kind. Love always forgives, trusts, supports, and endures. Love never fails. When every star in the heavens grows cold, and when silence lies once more on the face of the deep, three things will endure: faith, hope, and love."
"And the greatest of these is love," I finished. "That's from the Bible."
"First Corinthians, chapter thirteen," Thomas confirmed.
Chauncy smiled, a rather intimidating expression. "MacFinn is a member of an ancient family line from an island known as Ireland. His family has a notable history. Sometime in the murky past, legend would have it, the man known as Saint Patrick cursed his ancestor to become a ravening beast at every full moon. The curse came with two addenda. First, that it would be hereditary, passing down to someone new each and every generation. And second, that the cursed line of the family would never, ever die out, lasting until the end of days."
When Thomas quotes the bible verse regarding the weakness of the Wampires, he says:Quote"Love is patient. Love is kind. Love always forgives, trusts, supports, and endures. Love never fails. When every star in the heavens grows cold, and when silence lies once more on the face of the deep, three things will endure: faith, hope, and love."I looked around and confirmed (as much as I can) that those bits are not actually in any of the common translations of the Bible, so I think they are more foreshadowing.
"And the greatest of these is love," I finished. "That's from the Bible."
"First Corinthians, chapter thirteen," Thomas confirmed.
Nicodemus hints pretty heavily aboutin his conversation with Harry in Ch.29 of SmF. Is that more or less what you're looking for Serack, or would you prefer to focus on slightly more nebulous conversations?(click to show/hide)
Oh that's certainly one that I will be including in this reference. It was one of the preemenent ones on my mind when I created it. It's a time consumer though and I'm doing it in blocks.Okay, if you'd like to delegate some of the work out, I'm more than happy to take SmF. I'll let you get a little ahead so I can match formats.
If you want to portion out the books, we can multi-thread this... (you could then copy-paste to the OP).
Anyone can post their own copies of excerpts in a response to this topic and I (or another curator *looks significantly at knnn*) can paste them into the proper cronology of the OP.
I looked around and confirmed (as much as I can) that those bits are not actually in any of the common translations of the Bible, so I think they are more foreshadowing.I see where you posted that theory, but the thread as a whole devolved into a discussion of the nature of the Wampire weaknesses and Faith in general, and never really made any conclusions on the original topic.
I thought we concluded it was a weird mash-up of Corinthians 13:4-13, the Necronomicon, and Genesis 1:1.
I see where you posted that theory, but the thread as a whole devolved into a discussion of the nature of the Wampire weaknesses and Faith in general, and never really made any conclusions on the original topic.
Fair enough. I suppose that even if the quotes are all there, the fact that Thomas quotes em all together means that someone in the White Court has a really unique Bible lying around.And the Necronomicon does exist in world. IN fact, it was mentioned in the same book, as something the White Council had published to de-power some rituals it contained.
Serack, might you also consider adding Patterns to the title of this thread? There seem to be many patterns of significance, be they in-verse or of the meta variety.The patterns Ive heard mentioned are that the Nickleheads show up every 5 books, Vampires feature every 3, and that elaine was supposed to show every 5 books after the fourth (ie 4, 9, 14, etc, but Cold days broke that pattern so it doesnt seem to fit anymore).
So far, we have the Denarians recurring every five books and a few others that escape me. Although I think with Cold Days Jim has established that in another seven books, we'll have a book taking place on Halloween. How fitting would that be to kick off the end?
“Mab showed me her snow-white teeth. “The Watchman and I,” Grimalkin mewled for her, “had a common enemy this day. The enemy could not be allowed to gain the power represented by the child Archive.”
@Second Aristh--your earlier post made me want to read the scene from SmF again. There's one line you left out which seems like its foreshadowing the next book and might be referencing nemesis. After Nicodemus asks Harry if he is sure Hellfire was used at Arctis Tor, Nic starts this exchange: " 'Interesting. Then the only question is if the contamination is among the standing members of our Order or...' He let the thought trail off and glanced at me, lifting an eyebrow. I followed the logic to the only other people in possession of any of the coins. 'Someone in the church,' I whispered, with a sick feeling in my stomach.". Then Nic taunts Harry that they may shortly be on the same side...Added
Here is a post I made last year that covers very similar things to yours.
So through the course of the series, during the narrative, Harry has mentioned (insert rediculiously stupid thing to do "A"), and later in the series he inevitably ends up doing "A" or some derivative thereof.
I thought I'd like to make a list of these "Premonitions" that have happened through the course of the story, and try to come up with another list of potential things that might be premonitions of things that will happen later.
Fufilled premonitions
- SF: Santa is a pretty powerful fae, summoning him and trapping him in a circle would take some pretty big brass ones*
DB: Harry summons the Erlking, the Summer counterpart to Winter's Santa, and traps him in a circle- GP: (Susan, when Harry had trouble saying "I love you") "I'm going to get you to start talking if it kills you."
GP: Harry brings Susan back from Half Rampire bloodlust and brakes Lea's memory stealing spell by saying "I love you" and within minutes dies and has to be necessitated by Susan.- GP: "So would killing every vampire on the planet. What's your point?"
Changes: Well, you know- SK: Harry sees Ebenezer enter White Council politics to save his former apprentice's neck and thinks it's a bad move on Eb's part
PG: Harry enters into the White Council political fray to save his future apprentice's neck- SK: Harry turns down Maeve's offer to pay for information by sleeping with Jenny Greenteeth because (amongst other reasons) he'd never be OK with leaving the child that would result with monsters/fae and for others to raise.
DM & Changes: Harry has a child that ends up being raised by someone else without his knowledge, and it gets taken by monsters- SK: Mab offers Harry a job as Winter Knight
Changes: Harry becomes the WK- PG: "You mean I'd have to die?"
Changes: Well, you know
Potential Premonitions
- DM: Nichodemus offers Harry a position as a Denarian
- WK: "Who knows, you might make me into a saint. Or as close to one as I could get, anyway."
- WK: "Defeat the whole damn White Court now. Worry about taking on Hell later."
- SmF: "Even assuming I was stupid enough to go anywhere with you for an hour, much less a week, I saw how you treated Cassius. I'm not real eager to slide my nameplate onto his office door"
- Changes: On what people value in a home: "I'd rather have my extra meaning come from an ancient burial ground under the swimming pool or from knowing that I built it with my own hands or something." (Ch. 24)
- Changes: "I'd have to kill a lot of people outright, if I wanted to use the Darkhallow."
Premonitions involving other characters
SmF: Harry: “Yeah. You’re a saint.”
“One day,” Nicodemus said. “One day.”
Is it possible the Conrinthians talks about the three swords? So maybe at the end of BAT, only the three swords will be what remains against entropy?[/spoiler](click to show/hide)
Is it possible the Conrinthians talks about the three swords? So maybe at the end of BAT, only the three swords will be what remains against entropy?
Is it possible the Conrinthians talks about the three swords? So maybe at the end of BAT, only the three swords will be what remains against entropy?Im pretty well convinced it is indeed talking about the Swords/Knights, and that the "Stars falling from the sky" bit is a reference to Empty Night, which based on what the Mothers said in CD (and the fact that it's the title of the Final Dresden novel) it refers to the Outsider's getting In. We brought this up here a few posts back, which had links to the original thread discussing the idea.