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I thought WOJ was that Mac is a human. My guess is that he was a Knight or champion of someone or group. He probably had a mantle powerup and was able to get out of the mantle and has to remain neutral as part of him giving up his mantle and being allowed to live. My guess is he was a Winter Knight or Summer Knight.

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I think Titania did care, but actually Lily chose well, Fix has proven himself a good Summer Knight.  I also think different things are required from the Summer Knight verses the Winter one.Which implies some human feeling.

I think Titania was still grieving about Aurora's death and did not spend enough time instructing Lily. Lily seemed real ignorant about the Outsiders, Nemesis and the role of Winter against the Outsiders. Fix does seem to be a decent SK. Lily seems to be nice but a bit incompetent.

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I agree with you there. In normal circumstances, it is the lady that select the knight and in most circumstances the queen did not interfere to much.

Now, the questions: Why does the queen not interferes in a knight selection? Is the selection of a knight is beneath a Queen's notice?

We know that Slate is weak. And I assume we agree that Mab knows about Slate's weak nature before SK. Why then, did she not order Maeve to replace Slate? If a knight have to be powerful and capable like Harry and if such a knight is critical for the winter court as a whole, how come a mediocre knight like slate can hold the job?

I understand why Titania did not interferes with Lily. She simply didn't care. But Cd show that Mab did care about Maeve. Why then, did she let Maeve have a weak knight?

The only answer that I can think of for these questions is the conclusion that a powerful knight like Harry is undesirable under normal circumstances. It is to much trouble to kept a knight like Harry unless there is a definitive problem that needs such a knight. This let me to think that Harry may be in danger once he fulfills his duties to winter. He won't be needed anymore and he will starts to be more trouble than he is worth, But since Mab is a strong Queen herself, she'll probably find a way to make use of a dangerous knight like Harry. A less secure and capable Queen however, might view Harry as a threat and might find it easier to terminate him either by killing or use drugs and seks to keep him insensible.

Butter's comment about the mantle shutting down Harry's ability to feel pain is Mab's way to control the knight supports this theory. If Mab have to regulates the knight so he won't grow to powerful , it means Mab have reason to fear her knight.

Perhaps choosing a Knight is one of the Lady's duties and not the Queen's. The Ladys perhaps deal more with the mortal world on a day to day basis and the Queens deal with larger issues and the nevernever. Under normal circumstances a mediocre Knight and a competent Knight may not be a big deal. Harry is Starborn and a Fulcrum. I think Maeve did not want a Knight that could stand up to her and wanted a toy to play with. Mab probably would like a competent Knight at all times.

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I don't think Slate was infected because if he was  would Mab allow him into her bower( implied sex by Lea in PG) and risk an infection? I don't think that would be logical. Also, if he was infected, and Mab was aware, I think it unfair that she would torture only him but offer help to Lea and Maeve. If this is the case, it seems to reveal a sort of "my knight is expendable but my fae kin are not."

I doubt Slate was infected. As to punishment, Slate was a traitor. Lea and Maeve were kinda possessed by Nemesis. Not the same.

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  As of Summer Knight she might have already been infected.

Possibly, but if Maeve recently did a good job as WL then got infected before Summer Knight and then right after did an awful job and neglected her duties as WL it should have gotten Mab and Winter's attention that something was majorly wrong and Maeve was infected. I think Maeve was doing a poor job for a while and Nemesis just enhanced the negative aspects of Maeve.

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I think folks took my statement incorrectly.  I do believe that Mab tried to find a solution to Maeve before deciding to have her removed.  I don't believe she wanted to have an experienced Lady replaced, be it her daughter or not.  I believe that as a tool, Maeve was probably pretty good at it until Nemesis got to her. 

Also remember that Mab couldn't confront Maeve about her infection until CD, because if she Nemesis knew that Mab knew, Nemesis would have done more to have Mab replaced.  Then again, maybe that is what the gambit on DR was really all about.  Getting someone to off Mab on Halloween, allowing Maeve to step up.  Only Mab had already seen it coming and put things in motion to allow for a smooth transition of power.  Having Sarissa hang out with Harry so she'd be in a position to receive  the WL mantle.  And having a back-up (Molly) in case that didn't work out. 

I don't believe Mab being there when it all went down was actually part of the plan.  I think Mab was saddend at the need to remove a good tool even more so than having her daughter killed.  The fact that it's a two-fer just confuses things.  "Mab would sacrifice everything in winter ... and not even have to add sugar to her tea..." is great, but it doesn't really mean that she wants to do it.  And anytime someone is of that mindset, they usually don't expect to send their own family to the front lines.

As to her soul.  I think she still has her soul.  But if you look at it as though it's on a spectrum from light (heavely) to black (hellish), her search for and grasping for power has pushed her toward the black end of the spectrum.  CAN she be bought back to the light end?  Probably.  But it'd take a GREAT DEAL of changes for it to occur, and according to the Mothers it would take a great deal of time.

Look at Maeve's actions before she was taken by Nemesis. She gave he sister Salrissa a real hard time. She chose a looser WK (Slate). Look how she acted at her Court, torturing mortals for example. Mab does not go out of her way to be cruel. She lays the smack down on those who act against her. Not random cruelty. She gave Harry a hard time when he was appointed by Mommy Mab to find who stole the SK mantle instead of helping Winter and vindicating Mommy. In other words by Maeve's actions she was not doing a great job as WL. She was acting as a spoiled teenager when she is centuries old. I think Nemesis inflated Maeve's jealousy of Mab. Lea wanted to be cured and fought Nemesis, Maeve embraced Nemesis. I think Mab failed to discipline Maeve and spoiled her instead of making her a proper WL. Salrissa would have probably done a better job even though she didn't want to be WL. Molly will probably do a better job.

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Here is a quote:
“I thought Mab’s wrath was pretty bad until I found out what her affection was like.”

Mab''s idea of sweet is 77 attempted murder. See how much she makes the effort to prepare Harry? She probably believe that if Harry really dies in those trainning attempts it will be the best thing for Harry ever.

Same withhiring him to find the summer knight mantle in SK and when Mab takes away Harry's fire magic in Smf.

Mab is just taking good care of his most beloved Harry dresden.

Mab believes in tough love. ::) I'm not saying Mab is all kind, sweet and lovey dovey with Harry. It is not in Mab's nature to be that way. I'm just saying she is nicer to Harry than how she treats others of his station. Look how Maeve was treating Slate. Mab was putting Harry in WK boot camp so he would survive confronting Maeve, her posse and the Outsiders. She was not trying to kill him. If Harry died in training it would be an easier death than in the field.

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Mab is a bit sweet on Harry. She hides it but Harry has gotten away with a whole lot more with less punishment than most anybody else I have seen dealing with Winter. Mab likes, respects Harry and trusted him to protect her daughter Salrissa besides wanting them to hook up.

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Yeah, I've definitely seen the lines about "things fall apart" and "the center cannot hold" just about everywhere. But references like these feel like easter eggs for english majors.  :D I also think its interesting that as far back as Storm Front, the characters could tell something big and world-changing was coming. Though maybe human beings always feel like the end is nigh, who knows.

The End Is Nigh is certainly true for Peabody. Harry and Morgan saw to that. ::)

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The Mantles do change over time (usually centuries). Vadderung said as much. How much do they change and how rapidly probably depends on what the being who is using the mantel is doing. I think Harry may be able to change the WK mantle some. He is really powerful, strong willed and stubborn.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD spoilers] Small Favor
« on: December 16, 2012, 06:26:19 AM »
This Nemesis infection sounds kind of like the Shadow of a Fallen. Sort of like Lash is but instead with a more powerful Outsider. It will influence and corrupt you but lets you do mostly what you want as long as that doesn't conflict with it's mission. It can take over the host temporarily when mission demands but mostly it is just influencing and corrupting. The host can fight it. It can be gotten rid of but that is real hard. That's my guess to the Nemesis infection.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: A Badelynge of Quackiness, Part Two
« on: December 13, 2012, 11:23:08 AM »
My understanding is that Ms. Duck does believe that it was Uriel speaking through Murphy.

My point is that it doesn't change the overall theory any if you substitute one of the other (non-fallen) Archangels for Uriel.  They should all be the same relative weight class with the same relative restrictions on power usage.

It may have been Uriel speaking through Murphy but I think each sword is linked to a specific archangel (Michael, Gabriel and Raphael). Uriel is linked to Harry not a sword. I think Uriel is more a low profile, spy type archangel and does not normally make big announcements of Hey, look at what I'm doing!

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Questions for Jim 2012 style 2
« on: September 06, 2012, 06:52:16 AM »
...male/female, crappy home life/loving family....possibly also "no faith in God"/"religious background"

What's more: Harry is a purist wrt the Star Wars/Star Trek debate, Molly is the opposite end of that spectrum: she argues that she can like them both.  No word yet on whether this contrast (purist-ism vs. acceptance) carries over to other areas.

Molly could have been rebelling against Harry in minor ways on some of it and just haves different likes in other ways.

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Just to point it out, Harry isn't speaking Ghoul, he's speaking Sumarian.  It may be a Dead Language, but is isn't a Monsters Language...

True, lots of people speak Sumarian. It's unfortunate that almost all of them except for a few scholars are dead. ::) Harry got real proficient in a bunch of things at nearly the same time. He gained a few levels and skill (fans of D&D).

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Maeve did it.
« on: May 09, 2012, 08:10:44 AM »
This is a possibility. There was a lot of screwy stuff going on in Proven Guilty. Not enough evidence. Nice theory Elegast.

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