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Title: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: KnightFerrous on April 15, 2010, 09:32:19 PM
Ok so I find myself in a dilema. I love the concept of the faerie knights and think the fully statted up -8 refresh version (sponsored magic, marked, item of power) would be ridiculously fun to play.
 
My problem is that my GM doesn't like to deviate from cannon of established works rpgs so most likely in his campaign the two knight slots are taken and there are no squires. So I have been trying to catalog other sponsors that would allow for a similar build. So far I have..

Monoc Corporation: Not sure if I could be sponsored without being a nordic looking female but it would be fun to receive internal memos about my debt from my "employer" and have board room meetings as compels.

Erlking: Probably closest to the Sidhe Knight in general but it would need some clearer definition of the magic and what kind of item of power he would give.

Schiller Park: Local park that I recently discovered was built over an honest to goodness ancient burial ground. Has been used as a meeting place in every World of Darkness game I have played so it would have the added benefit of messing with my fellow player who usually runs those games

So that is what I have so far, thoughts, ideas?
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: iago on April 15, 2010, 09:39:33 PM
The Erlking is fascinating. Playing his champion, The Goblin Knight (that's what I'd call him), really intrigues me.
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: Sigma77 on April 15, 2010, 09:45:11 PM
I'd have to go with Fred. Think you could call any sponsored magic...Wild Magic? Some overlap with Unseelie, but he seems to be more in line with Mab anyway. Things dealing with the Hunt as far as his magic, obviously. Conjuring Predators for Thaumaturgy, perhaps?
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: Saedar on April 15, 2010, 10:05:16 PM
Also, with Monoc, you wouldn't have to stick to the Nordic female theme. Consider that the book discusses how Lycanthropes could be an explanation of Nordic berserkers. Perhaps the only takes into account a certain percentage of the legend. Maybe they were led by berserker generals, marked or Sponsored by someone/something?

Also, I love the Erlking idea. The magic would probably focus on hunting and predation. For an item of power, look into hunting implements of medieval Europe and such.

The park sounds like a cool idea since it has some history in your gaming group. My wife includes the same damn bar/bartender in EVERY single game she runs. He's always a real prick and knows way too much...
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: KnightFerrous on April 15, 2010, 11:50:56 PM
I didn't think of the beserker aspect for Monoc, I was thinking mainly along the lines of a proto-thor so that is interesting.

Erlking and the Goblin Knight is by and large my favorite idea of them all, but when I think for his magic all i come up with are hunting... and tracking... and that's where my brain stops and for some reason it doesn't seem enough. For his badge of office I kind of want to keep the same style sword as the other two courts as those three abilities enhance my own "hunters instincts" versus granting what I should already possess. my only problem is I don't know what the Catch would be.
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: iago on April 15, 2010, 11:55:46 PM
Divination tracking spells that you can do as fast as evocation (*as* evocations) -- that's practically half of the suite right there. You'd be aces at finding stuff, as you noted.

But if you've read Changes
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-- I can see a lot of themes of ferocity and damage. I'm not even sure that the Erlking's Knight is necessarily a spellcaster -- he might be more about supernatural senses (for the tracking) and some elements of shapeshifting, like say modular skills and stunts abilities that let him configure himself to become the perfect hunter for his prey of choice.
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: Moriden on April 15, 2010, 11:59:16 PM
don't forget the
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Brian Blacknight
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: Mal_Luck on April 16, 2010, 12:08:32 AM
I want to make a Goblin Knight now, gotta go reread his Changes chapter first  ;D
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: iago on April 16, 2010, 01:21:39 AM
don't forget the
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Ohhh, good catch. Probably too hot for the Goblin Knight to handle, but a lesser form of it...
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: Moriden on April 16, 2010, 01:31:22 AM
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Ohhh, good catch. Probably too hot for the Goblin Knight to handle, but a lesser form of it...

I'd treat it mechanically identically to other sponsored magic. if the knight can afford the cost he gets the benefit. for specifics. id use
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Brian Blacknight
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: iago on April 16, 2010, 01:35:24 AM
This is me, nodding lots.
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: KnightFerrous on April 16, 2010, 02:55:31 AM
Well I have offically told my brother(my GM) Fred Hicks wants me to be the Goblin Knight. After I just read the posts i got the mental image of:
 He finds a bit of hair or blood from his prey and holds it in his palm, it is consumed by green flame and he inhales the smoke, looking up with glowing red eyes he sniffs the air and says "this way"... which well, pretty much made it official.

Instead of the Sword i had an alternate idea for the item of power. Instead of the three inhumans from a sword he has a collar that on command transforms him a Hound of the hunt. (Beast Change, claws, echoes of the beast, human form, inhuman speed, inhuman strength) essentially a were-form in a box for 1 point refresh over the swords. Thoughts?

Edit: The more I think about it the more i'm leaning towards keeping the sword. Mainly because the image of a human with glowing red eyes clad in black armor keeping pace with the Erlking's stallion during the Wild Hunt is far too cool to pass up.

Wyld Magic: -4
Marked by Power(Erlking): -1
Sword of the Hunter's Call: -3
Being the free willed servant of the "Wyld Court"?: Priceless.
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: SaintAndSinner on April 16, 2010, 03:23:00 AM
We made up an amnesiatic Hound of the Hunt in one of the playtest games.  Had a special ability that allowed him to track someone and follow them anywhere once he got their 'scent'.  He also had the ability to see the echos of the past in a place.  Looked like your typical homeless person and was always forgetting what he was doing there.  He was, hands down, one of the favorite characters in those games. 
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: Moriden on April 16, 2010, 12:12:08 PM
Personally id go with a spear over a sword. but ultimately i cant see it mattering.









Brian Blacknight
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: KnightFerrous on April 18, 2010, 06:40:23 PM
Sorry to perform a bit of thread necromancy (ticks off lawbreaker on his character sheet)

A thought just occured to me while rereading things on the Erlking, an area of his sponsoered magic we over looked. Containment! What use is catching prey alive if you can't hold on to it?

And thinking about all this I just realized that the Goblin Knight is probably the best bounty hunter in the supernatural world.
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: iago on April 18, 2010, 06:42:21 PM
Oh, nice, right! Binding is a big deal. Good catch.
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: KnightFerrous on April 18, 2010, 06:56:19 PM
My only problem is i am unsure of what his Catch should be. Cold Iron? The trappings of either summer or winter? The natural attacks of prey animals(Anything wiht Hooves, Horns etc. even if it is a Gruff)?
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: Moriden on April 18, 2010, 07:11:38 PM
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My only problem is i am unsure of what his Catch should be. Cold Iron? The trappings of either summer or winter? The natural attacks of prey animals(Anything wiht Hooves, Horns etc. even if it is a Gruff)?

Well The Erlkoenig is still a fae so cold iron is the obvious choice. Hes not really portrayed as directly opposed to summer or winter so I'm not sure he'd be weak against either. Personally id add faith magic to his catches but that's just because i like the idea of "the horned god" being a left over from pre-christian times.
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: KnightFerrous on April 18, 2010, 07:18:07 PM
Well The Erlkoenig is still a fae so cold iron is the obvious choice. Hes not really portrayed as directly opposed to summer or winter so I'm not sure he'd be weak against either. Personally id add faith magic to his catches but that's just because i like the idea of "the horned god" being a left over from pre-christian times.

I am leaning towards Cold Iron as well, the only thing that stops me is the "official" knights don't have it under their Catch.

As for the Faith magic I hadn't even thought of that. Note to self: Do not introduce myself to Knights of the Cross, doubly so when my eyes are glowing red.
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: Moriden on April 18, 2010, 07:31:45 PM
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I am leaning towards Cold Iron as well, the only thing that stops me is the "official" knights don't have it under their Catch.
You do seem to be correct, I'm going to assume that was an oversight since i have trouble seeing fae giving people things that aren't weak to "the bane" but barring an errata it just comes down to gm whim.

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As for the Faith magic I hadn't even thought of that. Note to self: Do not introduce myself to Knights of the Cross, doubly so when my eyes are glowing red.

Nah the knights are amazingly open minded, as long as your not being ebil they're just as likely to talk to you as anything else. The source of there power might not like you but hes already won that war so can afford to be magnanimous and try to convert you by being all " oh I'm a good guy see... im not smiting you"
The above is entirely my personal bias and i in now way speak for the dresdenverse in this paragraph.
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: KnightFerrous on April 18, 2010, 09:22:53 PM
You do seem to be correct, I'm going to assume that was an oversight since i have trouble seeing fae giving people things that aren't weak to "the bane" but barring an errata it just comes down to gm whim.

Well one argument for it is the Knights are supposed to be able to take actions the Fae themselves cannot. If it is something intrinsic in the Fae natrue that makes Cold Iron burn, then just being infused with their magic wouldn't confer that, but it would fall apart against the opposite magic (Summer counters Winter and vice versa)
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: Moriden on April 18, 2010, 09:52:06 PM
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Well one argument for it is the Knights are supposed to be able to take actions the Fae themselves cannot. If it is something intrinsic in the Fae natrue that makes Cold Iron burn, then just being infused with their magic wouldn't confer that, but it would fall apart against the opposite magic (Summer counters Winter and vice versa)

True, i just have trouble seeing fae magic of any kind protecting against iron, just like
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Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: Valarian on April 18, 2010, 10:02:17 PM
The Erlking is fascinating. Playing his champion, The Goblin Knight (that's what I'd call him), really intrigues me.
Herne (the Erlking) has a Champion ... the Hooded Man (once Robin of Locksley).
You could use that legend as a basis for a Knight of the Goblin King. How about a longbow as the Item of Power?

Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: Mal_Luck on April 18, 2010, 10:22:55 PM
Herne (the Erlking) has a Champion ... the Hooded Man (once Robin of Locksley).
You could use that legend as a basis for a Knight of the Goblin King. How about a longbow as the Item of Power?
That sounds... awesome. ;D
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: JustinS on April 18, 2010, 10:34:42 PM
I could also see Weapon Magic as sponsered evocation. Summer gets fire, winter gets frost. The Erlking's servents gets to have his spear mystically cleave, his arrows seek in the air after they are fired, and to sharpen his reflexes to dodge blows or catch attacks against him (Shields from hightened reflexes).

Sorry to perform a bit of thread necromancy (ticks off lawbreaker on his character sheet)

A thought just occured to me while rereading things on the Erlking, an area of his sponsoered magic we over looked. Containment! What use is catching prey alive if you can't hold on to it?

And thinking about all this I just realized that the Goblin Knight is probably the best bounty hunter in the supernatural world.
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: exploding_brain on April 19, 2010, 03:22:39 AM
For "The Catch" if you need something besides cold iron, I was thinking that something to do with agriculture might be the bane of that which is wild (or wyld).  Some say that's the origin of the vulnerability of the fey to cold iron in folklore.  Iron was a symbol of human civilization, the tools that cut the trees and tilled the fields and domesticated the animals, and drove back the wilderness which the faeries ruled.  Can't think of a good symbolic representation of agricultural civilization at the moment.

Maybe something that represents the codified laws of civilization?

The pen? Ink? Paper?
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: JustinS on April 19, 2010, 03:53:16 AM
For "The Catch" if you need something besides cold iron, I was thinking that something to do with agriculture might be the bane of that which is wild (or wyld).  Some say that's the origin of the vulnerability of the fey to cold iron in folklore.  Iron was a symbol of human civilization, the tools that cut the trees and tilled the fields and domesticated the animals, and drove back the wilderness which the faeries ruled.  Can't think of a good symbolic representation of agricultural civilization at the moment.

Maybe something that represents the codified laws of civilization?

The pen? Ink? Paper?
Cultivated land? An herb garden, a productive farm field...
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: Logan01X on May 04, 2010, 02:57:49 AM
i had been thinking about playing a goblin knight and then i found this thread and its real helpful. Instead of a sword as an item of power, i was thinking of a gun or bow, it just fits the hunter look i was thinking of. now inhuman strength works great for a sword, but not so much with a gun or a bow. what about something like inhuman perception that would kinda work like this:

ranged attack (guns, archery,ect.) gain +2 damage, increasing the stress dealt by two on a successful hit - as hammer blows from inhuman strength

when using a skill that works off of your senses (sight, hearing or smell) to modify another skill, it always provides a +1 regardless of the actual skill score - as superior strength

+1 when using a skill that relays on sight, hearing or smell. such as passive awareness and avoiding surprise from alertness, tracking from survival and investigation - as bruising strength

cost -2
does this seem pretty balanced?
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: Deadmanwalking on May 04, 2010, 03:06:12 AM
I wouldn't add new powers. I'd just grab Inhuman Strength and a bow. Bows are absolutely based on muscular power, and I know of no reason you couldn't use them together.
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: Logan01X on May 04, 2010, 03:19:00 AM
true, i just like the idea of kicking in a door and blasting loup-garou in the face with a shotgun of power loaded with silver buckshot shouting "Bad Doggy, sit!" maybe i watch to much supernatural...
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: Deadmanwalking on May 04, 2010, 03:25:59 AM
Well then do that. Shotguns are Weapon: 3 and easy to tailor to specific Catches, and as an Item of Power you can give it all kinds of cool existent abilities (like Inhuman Speed) as opposed to worrying about Inhuman Strength and other damage enhancers.
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: KnightFerrous on May 04, 2010, 03:26:19 AM
true, i just like the idea of kicking in a door and blasting loup-garou in the face with a shotgun of power loaded with silver buckshot shouting "Bad Doggy, sit!" maybe i watch to much supernatural...

Don't forget even Fix carries a shotgun around. Just because your badge of office is a sword doesn't mean you are required to fight exclusively with it.
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: Logan01X on May 05, 2010, 04:03:08 AM
good point. just curious but what are you doing for wyld magic? someone pointed out reflavoring hellfire, but i kinda like soulfire better fit but the meeting the holy catch wouldnt work. what about spending 1 fate point to meet requirements for 1 catch for the entire scene? a good hunter knows what really hurts his prey.
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: Moriden on May 05, 2010, 04:14:13 AM
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good point. just curious but what are you doing for wyld magic? someone pointed out reflavoring hellfire, but i kinda like soulfire better fit but the meeting the holy catch wouldnt work. what about spending 1 fate point to meet requirements for 1 catch for the entire scene? a good hunter knows what really hurts his prey.

The thing is you need to figure out what exactly "balefire" is and go from there. for it to function like soulfire, it would have to be a reflection of the "fires of creation" .
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: Mattastic on May 06, 2010, 11:46:41 PM
We made up an amnesiatic Hound of the Hunt in one of the playtest games.  Had a special ability that allowed him to track someone and follow them anywhere once he got their 'scent'.  He also had the ability to see the echos of the past in a place.  Looked like your typical homeless person and was always forgetting what he was doing there.  He was, hands down, one of the favorite characters in those games. 
Do you have a write up for this guy?
He sounds awesome.
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: SaintAndSinner on May 07, 2010, 01:55:33 AM
Nothing current.  The playtest notes are in a box somewhere since we've moved twice since then.  I'm planning on statting him up for the con games this summer though.  When I do, I'll put him up here somewhere.
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: ralexs1991 on September 17, 2010, 07:50:20 PM
i have a player in my game who is playing as the knight of the elrking and i think he'll probably drool over himself when hes sees this stuff and hell probably want to change his character lol
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: vultur on September 22, 2010, 10:07:56 PM
Is it called balefire in the book? I thought balefire was an archaic word for funeral pyre...

(If it isn't, then I'll have to change the name of the 'balefire' in a story I'm writing...)
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: MWKilduff on September 22, 2010, 11:52:32 PM
The Erlking is fascinating. Playing his champion, The Goblin Knight (that's what I'd call him), really intrigues me.
How about The Rogue Court, run by Oberon and Puck as the Autumn court that was beaten by the Summer and Winter Courts.  Then you could be the rogue knight.  Or, you could be whatever court's assassin.
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: CBIrish on September 23, 2010, 12:01:14 AM
How about The Rogue Court, run by Oberon and Puck as the Autumn court that was beaten by the Summer and Winter Courts.  Then you could be the rogue knight.  Or, you could be whatever court's assassin.

So we have the Summer Court, Winter Court, Wyld Court and Rogue Court.  Sounds like an unlimited source of material to me.

It also plays in to the whole concept that nothing is every really destroyed, it just changes.  The Spring and Autumn Courts were broken (maybe by Summer and Winter - maybe something else) and were reborn as the Wyld and Rogue Courts. 

'Circle of life grasshopper - circle of life.'
Title: Re: Local practioner seeks magical Sponsor for Fun and Profit
Post by: Todjaeger on September 23, 2010, 04:44:58 AM
So we have the Summer Court, Winter Court, Wyld Court and Rogue Court.  Sounds like an unlimited source of material to me.

It also plays in to the whole concept that nothing is every really destroyed, it just changes.  The Spring and Autumn Courts were broken (maybe by Summer and Winter - maybe something else) and were reborn as the Wyld and Rogue Courts. 

'Circle of life grasshopper - circle of life.'

Don't forget "Santa Claus" and his 'Court' too.  One power I would give the Christmas Knight would likely Supernatural Sense (-1 or perhaps -2) to automatically know who is naughty and who is nice.

Not sure what sort of 'weapon of office' I would have, if any.  Possibly some form or lariat or similar, as could be used to spur/drive animals dragging a sleigh forward.

Another possible Item of Power to be used by the Knight serving the Erlking would be a hunting horn instead of a bow or spear.  I can definately see the Erlking utilizing a spear himself, but his Knight is in service to the Court, so could be equipped differently.