For some reason I had this rather odd thought while reading through this when they were discussing Murphy's healing. Neither wizard magic nor medicine hold the answer, but there are other ways Murphy could be made viable again. The most obvious would be doing what Dresden did when he broke his bad. She could take up either Knight mantle. Mab wouldn't easily relinquish her claim on Dresden, but we haven't really seen much out of the Summer Knight lately. The current Summer Lady may even believe she owns Dresden a favor worthy of allowing him to recommend Murphy as Fix's replacement if something where to happen to him in the next book or two.
I also don't see Jim killing her off, because that also would be deeply disrespectful to the character ("Outlived her utility? Off she goes, for a bigger guilt trip for Harry!") and this isn't the style of writing Jim uses. Although I still suspect that employment with Vadderung may be in her future, to pay off the set-up in Ghost Story.
This chapter made me think about something we saw, or thought we saw, in the trailer; Harry and Lara starting to get it on. Then we saw Warden Ramirez start to accuse Harry of being under Lara's influence. At least that's what we're supposed to think. There are alternate explanations for both scenes. The scene with Harry and Lara could be an illusion or even a dream scene. Ramirez could be referring to something else besides the short scene we saw with Harry and Lara.Lara has more control than Madeline or Thomas with Justine as we saw in White Night. She only got burned at the end when she started to feed but they shared a kiss before that. Thomas explained it in turn coat.
However, if Lara does put her her arms around Harry's neck and if they kiss or touch skin in any way, what does it say if Lara doesn't get burned the way her cousin Madeline did when she was forced to touch Justine? Harry and Murphy aren't truly in love, or does the Winter Knight's mantel deaden true love? Then again, maybe Lara will get burned and we just didn't see it in the trailer. What do you think?
I hope Jim is going to give us the satisfaction of a revenge. I actually would like to see Rudolh humiliated, scared, instead of physically hurt. For example, have Eb soulgazing him :)
Harry should have fed Rudolf to the Ick. I'm tired of the character.
1. I like that Harry can cook now. He mostly seemed to eat takeout and frozen food before hand. Small victories!
5. Harry's answer when Murphy asked if she could be healed was...crap. Utter trash. He might not know how but there are Wizards who know a LOT more. Like his friend Listens-to-Wind. Worse than that, as a person who just magically fixed his back injury, it was more than rude that he didn't offer to try and look for a solution. He just casually dismissed it. Nope, no cure. Only sell your soul. What rubbish. When Susan became a half-vampire he spent YEARS looking for a cure. Does Murphy have to get cancer or bitten by a vampire for Dresden to pull his finger out? It's fine to be realistic (although I would argue he was being pessimistic) but why doesn't he try harder? This isn't the old Dresden. Not to mention, WHY is it that magic is so bad a healing? Harry has bent gravity, manipulates elemental forces, breaks into minds and souls etc. He can even cross space-time and travel across the world like walking through a door (followed by some confusing and sometimes semi-dangerous terrain). But knitting skin and bone together is hard? Repairing ligaments is hard? I get that JB needs Murphy to be injured for the story. But the reasons stated for healing being tricky have NEVER been very convincing. I am not sure why either. It isn't hard to work into a relatively hard magic premise. The things modern science can do now is already incredible. I would expect wizards to at least be that good, if not better. But Harry won't look anyway.
7. Why did Murphy's doctor violate patient confidentiality? She could get sued and even lose her licence. Seems very weird to me.
8. On coming out of the vault Harry says they are blurry and translucent. They shouldn't be recognizable on camera. And what happened to camera's not working near Dresden? Or has magic decided it can work around him now?
9. They don't have to use the normal system to make this investigation go away. They could pull strings of their own. But even if they want to go the mundane route, those cops don't have EVIDENCE. Which you need. To convict.They weren't there on police business, after he recovers from the glow of sex Harry will figure that out.
Depends on the story line, would it be more disrespectful to kill off Murphy than it was to kill off Susan or even Morgan? If she dies, it all depends on the context of her death, heroic saving Harry and having a lot to do with saving the world? Good death.. And sadly characters do outlive their utility and have to move on, and that doesn't mean killing them off.
I mean, just as she and Harry are really getting together? This would be so cliché that I just can't believe Jim would do it. Not to mention his little tweet from a few years ago, where he said that he just wrote Murphy's funeral. There's this little trope where writers troll their audience when they set up the expectation that a cliché would happen and then subvert that expectation. I strongly feel that this is one of those times.
We'll know in two weeks, anyway.
I mean, just as she and Harry are really getting together? This would be so cliché that I just can't believe Jim would do it. Not to mention his little tweet from a few years ago, where he said that he just wrote Murphy's funeral. There's this little trope where writers troll their audience when they set up the expectation that a cliché would happen and then subvert that expectation. I strongly feel that this is one of those times.
We'll know in two weeks, anyway.
He has done it before, so who knows? All I am saying that if she dies and it fits the story lineIf I remember correctly the more they use magic the faster they heal, it might even be woj.
it is no more disrespectful that when Susan died. Now I want to know, is he
having unprotected sex yet again?
I don't think there are any magical wizard cures for Murphy. LTW's medical degrees are all from
vanilla medical schools if I remember correctly. Wizards heal more quickly because of their make up not because of any magical medicine.
He has done it before, so who knows? All I am saying that if she dies and it fits the story line
it is no more disrespectful that when Susan died. Now I want to know, is he
having unprotected sex yet again?
I don't think there are any magical wizard cures for Murphy. LTW's medical degrees are all from
vanilla medical schools if I remember correctly. Wizards heal more quickly because of their make up not because of any magical medicine.
I don't see the build up for such a "final storyline" for Murphy, though. Susan had a lot of things going on which led to her ultimate act of self-sacrifice. Murphy, at this time, is reconvelascing from her wounds and needs to adapt to her current situation. Her and Harry difnally being able to have a romantic relationship is still building up. I just don't see her character arc making her be someone to be taken out of the story.
It is possible but you need a lot of power and you might get a mantle of some sort and those things don't come cheap. That is the Faustian deal mentioned.
But maybe you can encourage healing with magic. Elaine did something small in white night and I imagine Listen to Winds knows all about it. It must be possible to help the regeneration process a bit.
@YuilleganUnless the supernatural movers behind the scene just have more influence there. They can not be everywhere and IA catched their attention because of Harry.
Why is IA investigating Murphy? She isn't, and hasn't been a cop for a while. And I would generate a permanent revenue stream collecting money from a doctor who discusses my treatment with a cop. And unless they are attempting to connect her to illegal street fighting why does it matter how she was hurt? Nothing in her injuries admits to a crime per se. This is a very poorly motivated chapter.
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Why is IA investigating Murphy? She isn't, and hasn't been a cop for a while. And I would generate a permanent revenue stream collecting money from a doctor who discusses my treatment with a cop. And unless they are attempting to connect her to illegal street fighting why does it matter how she was hurt? Nothing in her injuries admits to a crime per se. This is a very poorly motivated chapter.
Put me in the Murphy gets the Summer Knight mantle. It fits her. She is about helping others and preventing bad things. The Queens know bad things are coming and Twitch isn't up to the job. Murphy and Dresden are used to working together and it would also technically put them back in an adversarial role. Screw with Harry's love life while twisting the foreshadowing of Murphy becoming a Knight. Just now one of the Cross. And I am betting Rudolph is no longer a cop by the end of these books.
For some reason I had this rather odd thought while reading through this when they were discussing Murphy's healing. Neither wizard magic nor medicine hold the answer, but there are other ways Murphy could be made viable again. The most obvious would be doing what Dresden did when he broke his bad. She could take up either Knight mantle. Mab wouldn't easily relinquish her claim on Dresden, but we haven't really seen much out of the Summer Knight lately. The current Summer Lady may even believe she owns Dresden a favor worthy of allowing him to recommend Murphy as Fix's replacement if something where to happen to him in the next book or two.
No, Harry mentions the idea -- "getting Faustian" -- and Murphy shuts that down "firmly."
I didn't think that Harry and Murphy suspected that Rudolph worked for Marcone. It was pretty clear in Changes that he was unknowingly working for the Red Court. I suppose Rudolph can just be generally corrupt and work for the highest bidder.
I don't think there are any magical wizard cures for Murphy. LTW's medical degrees are all from vanilla medical schools if I remember correctly. Wizards heal more quickly because of their make up not because of any magical medicine.
Not to mention, WHY is it that magic is so bad a healing? Harry has bent gravity, manipulates elemental forces, breaks into minds and souls etc. He can even cross space-time and travel across the world like walking through a door (followed by some confusing and sometimes semi-dangerous terrain). But knitting skin and bone together is hard? Repairing ligaments is hard? I get that JB needs Murphy to be injured for the story. But the reasons stated for healing being tricky have NEVER been very convincing. I am not sure why either. It isn't hard to work into a relatively hard magic premise. The things modern science can do now is already incredible. I would expect wizards to at least be that good, if not better. But Harry won't look anyway.
The things modern science can do now are incredible - but the methods of getting there left a lot of dead patients along the way. And modern medicine still has a huge mortality rate despite all of our advances. In a system where the governing force of magic is famously unforgiving of things like mistakes and accidents, I can understand how medical magic would advance at a snail's pace. If you're using magic to heal a patient and mess up, you've just violated the First Law. Muggle medicine has thousands of doctors and researchers to advance their practices - wizards have a handful of people that all risk the death penalty if their experiment in cell regeneration goes wrong.
The Alphas seem to have figured out limited adaptations of shapeshifting to healing. They can close wounds quicklyMurphy isn't a shape shifting Alpha, they start out being able to manipulate their bodies from human to wolf.. Murphy is a forty year old vanilla human, she cannot manipulate any of her cells. Don't know if it matters or not, but all the Alphas were also teenagers when they learned this spell, young bodies, more adaptable.
No, Harry mentions the idea -- "getting Faustian" -- and Murphy shuts that down "firmly."
One of the things her fans seem to like the most is that Murphy is a simple vanilla human. Making her suddenly Summer Knight or an Einherjar kind of goes against that, and her own religion as far as that goes.
The Rudolph part is weird. I'm surprised nothing happened to him after being a pawn for the Reds in Changes.That might be because Jim wanted to resolve it on screen. I know I want to read him getting his comeuppance. He's internal affairs, so CPD isn't likely to be investigating him, but we know a certain FBI agent who thinks he's dirty, and corruption cases is right up the FBI's ally.
Harry should have fed Rudolf to the Ick. I'm tired of the character.:D
Agreed, maybe with a warrant? Most likely they never asked the doctor.A warrant is highly unlikely. I too think the cops were using a tried and true law enforcement tactic of lying.
And modern medicine still has a huge mortality rate despite all of our advances.200,000 to 400,000 people a year die from medical mistakes. I'm not talking about "out best wasn't good enough," but "he died because he went to the doctor" mistakes. And that's probably not counting all the doctor's who start people off on pills that end up turning them into addicts who die. The numbers were from a John's Hopkins study and, I think, something from Harvard or some other ivy league school. So good point about the 1st law. Didn't even occur to me.
I think we've all missed the most important part of IA's involvement. Somebody just went nuclear. They've involved mortals in a supernatural conflict. It'd be one thing if they were targeting Murphy to get at Harry. We've seen that sort of play at least twice before, not counting Changes where the perpetrator didn't live long enough to suffer the consequences. (Mavra in DB and the White Court in Jury Duty). Here, they're targeting Harry. Clearly part of the supernatural world and not the mortal world. We've heard that the masquerade is going to end. We've heard that it's starting to fray. Many have guessed this is the book for it.
Someone targeting Harry with IA makes me think it's even more likely this is where we're going.
@Yuillegan: 5. The most straight forward way to heal is to transform damaged body parts into healthy body parts. To do this would take advanced medical knowledge. Way to much for Harry, but not to much for a wizard who focuses on healing. The big problem with that is it might run up against the second law of magic.
You know, there is a possibility that we aren't talking about. Jim has hinted that the government has at least a clue of what's going on. We've seen evidence of this in Dog Men. Maybe the feds are pushing the investigation, so they can make Murphy an offer she can't refuse. Come work for us and this investigation goes away. Maybe Uncle Sam can hook Murphy up with a clinical trial of stem cell treatments for her injuries. This idea would be cool because it keeps Murphy a vanilla mortal, brings her back to something like law enforcement, and it could add more tension to Harry's relationship to her and to his relationship with the council. It might even fit the funeral line, what if her new job is so secret that they fake death.
See Sanya and Butters how much that matters for supernatural powers. Also, Murphy being catholic hasn't featured for quite some time into her character.
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No, Harry mentions the idea -- "getting Faustian" -- and Murphy shuts that down "firmly."
Murphy also has admitted to being lost. She is by nature a protector. That is the seeming role of the Summer Knight. Now, let be honest, it's not nice, but sometimes the police aren't either. Also, Murphy kind of exists as Harry's conscience. I am pretty sure Jim won't kill off two major supporting characters and he is playing up Murphys weakness. Jim is often foreshadowing. And remember the Sidhe can't lie. From Murphy's point of view, this is an opportunity to be there for Harry when needed, keep him from going to far off the deep end.
Now of course there will be a catch as well. And Harry and Murphy will suffer for it. But I fully admit I can be wrong. But this would be well within character. And a way Jim can keep Murphy in the story without being ineffective. Also from Summers point of view, Murphy is a master martial artist in a defense based martial art. She is tailor made for the job.
Well, Mab cannot order Harry to hurt Murphy, so it would be a brilliant move for Titania to have her as her Knight-And Murphy will be willing to kick Harry if needed, she and Sarissa may probably take some measures so Titania cannot force her to really hurt Harry. At least, physically.
I agree about the romance, and I don't think that is a problem. And about the rest, it could be interesting, like when Eleaine was the rival emmisary.
But what will she do if Titania demands that she kick Harry's butt? Or he, her? Sorry but that is way too predicable. Murphy isn't the only source of conscience for Harry, there is Michael. Going by the last book he made more sense than she did. I think if she survives the next two books she will survive the series, however to quote a wonderful old movie called "Dodsworth," as "the old wife of a young husband.." Or old girlfriend to a wizard just hitting his prime.. Murphy is also out of her depth here, her thought process is too narrow, she still thinks like a cop. She dismisses the scene between Harry and Eb as normal family dynamics, to an extent it is, but with wizards and what happened in Harry's history, it isn't.
To be fair, I don't think 'go kick the other knight' is a common order; it's tantamount to a declaration of war between the courts.
STOP the other knight, though? That works, even if it's often lethal.
Doesn't Harry have the real Shroud right now, squirreled away somewhere? Wasn't healing one of its supposed powers, back when we first met Nic?
Now I'm wondering if wrapping Murphy up in it is the funeral Butcher mentioned writing.
One of the things her fans seem to like the most is that Murphy is a simple vanilla human. Making her suddenly Summer Knight or an Einherjar kind of goes against that, and her own religion as far as that goes.
Murphy isn't a shape shifting Alpha, they start out being able to manipulate their bodies from human to wolf.. Murphy is a forty year old vanilla human, she cannot manipulate any of her cells. Don't know if it matters or not, but all the Alphas were also teenagers when they learned this spell, young bodies, more adaptable.
Doesn't Harry have the real Shroud right now, squirreled away somewhere? Wasn't healing one of its supposed powers, back when we first met Nic?That isn't the way the shroud was meant to be used. Is it? In any case not everybody in the gang can make it through to the end.
Now I'm wondering if wrapping Murphy up in it is the funeral Butcher mentioned writing.
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Several betas pointed out to Jim that he was pretty explicitly working for Team Red King in Changes, but he kept it, so... ::shrug:: Maybe Marcone purchased his loyalty in bulk?
Doesn't Harry have the real Shroud right now, squirreled away somewhere? Wasn't healing one of its supposed powers, back when we first met Nic?
Now I'm wondering if wrapping Murphy up in it is the funeral Butcher mentioned writing.
My point though is Murphy wouldn't subject herself to the rules surrounding being a Holy Knight and using a Holy Sword. She has her own ideas, and I doubt she could conform well to being a Summer Knight.
I'll agree with the vanilla human part, but I don't think being Summer Knight would necessarily be a religious issue. From CD, the task is essentially to protect mortals from Winter - it seems that the SK bit about being the Court's assassin is kind of a cover story. And being the Knight doesn't require worshiping the Queen as a deity - Harry certainly doesn't worship Mab.
Also at the end of Skin Game, didn't original doctor giver he a better prognosis? I think Harry told Micheal that the doctor said she could get back to 90%.
Murphy may end up continuing to live with her injuries. It happened to Micheal. It would cause more emotional pain for Harry since he would end up seeing her suffer through recovery and set backs just a like anyone else. People do end up regaining more function than doctors estimated from time to time. If you think about it, as a doctor, its probably better to low ball the recovery estimate, to keep the patient from having false hope.
hey broke into a bank, had a multi hour shoot out where thousands of rounds were fired, murdered a guard by slicing him to pieces, and nothing from the vault was taken? Really? And the only people to be found are Harry and Murphy. So everybody else just walked through the police lines and vanished like a fart in the wind? And Murphy and Harry are so stupid that they leave DNA and fingerprints all over the scene? And Murphy a smart veteran cop? Color me dubious.
I still maintain Marcone is not the one pulling Rudolph’s strings. Marcone is an honorable crime baron. He gave his word when he took the weregild to leave the heist gang alone. Also- Murphy was in the hospital when actual heist went down. She didn’t leave any finger prints anywhere in the bank. She wasn’t there.
No, I believe he turned that over to the Church.Nah, at the end of Skin Game Michael asks him if he ever considered turning the artifacts over to the church, and Harry's response is "All things considered? Nope", I looked back and apparently he's got them in the deep tunnels of demonsreach.
Nah, at the end of Skin Game Michael asks him if he ever considered turning the artifacts over to the church, and Harry's response is "All things considered? Nope", I looked back and apparently he's got them in the deep tunnels of demonsreach.And Michael agreed so now Amorachius is there too now.
Doesn't Harry have the real Shroud right now, squirreled away somewhere? Wasn't healing one of its supposed powers, back when we first met Nic?
Now I'm wondering if wrapping Murphy up in it is the funeral Butcher mentioned writing.
Nah, at the end of Skin Game Michael asks him if he ever considered turning the artifacts over to the church, and Harry's response is "All things considered? Nope", I looked back and apparently he's got them in the deep tunnels of demonsreach.
That was the fake shroud that was turned over in Death Masks.
No, it was the real Shroud. Harry allowed Marcone to try and heal the young woman with it, but it didn't. Harry gave him three days to try because three days after He died, Christ was resurrected, that is when Harry also said that he didn't "think it worked like that." Then he instructed him to send it to St Mary's in care of Father Forthill, which apparently Marcone did.According to Harry in Skin Game the one in death masks was false but still had power because so many people believing in it.
“Hey, is that the Shroud?”
“This one looks older and shabbier than the one you stole from the Church,” I said, rolling up the old cloth and stuffing it into my duster’s pocket. It was thin stuff, terribly thin, and made a smaller bundle than you’d think. “Hell, maybe that investigative panel was right. Maybe the Church does have a knockoff.”
“But I thought that one had power?” she asked.
“It did, but not like this.” My fingers still tingled from touching the cloth. “Besides, we’re talking about the power of faith, here,” I said.
“Enough people believe that the fake is really the Shroud, maybe that’s enough to make it powerful all by itself.”
“Seems like a cheat.”
“Don’t knock it,” I said.
According to Harry in Skin Game the one in death masks was false but still had power because so many people believing in it.
Since SG I am wondering why Harry did not lend Marcone the true Shroud to do the same than he did with the fake one.They are not friends. They use each other.
To keep the shroud safe it is better to keep it on the island at least until Harry knows more about the artifacts. They are big and dangerous.
Marcone most likely does not know what Harry brought from Hades and Harry would like to keep it that way.
Bringing it out and let it work for three days might attract enemies. Anduriel might be watching for just such an occasion and powerful entities may be able to sense something. The whole thing is not without danger.
Harry is busy at the moment. Maggie is more important.
OTOH we know Anduriel can be blocked by sufficient power. Maybe he literally can't see those artifacts.He cannot see them at Michael's place, nor if Mab is blocking him, I imagine he cannot see them on Demonreach either.
Though I suppose it's easy to imagine Harry just not risking it.
He cannot see them at Michael's place, nor if Mab is blocking him, I imagine he cannot see them on Demonreach either.That is what Kringle said in Skin Game but he can see it being moved between those places so I think Nicodemus suspect or knows it is on the island.
The Shroud of Turin isn't Harry's personal healing service. It cheapens the idea of what it is, if you simply expect to lay it on someone and see them pop up and get back to it. Harry told Marcone that he didn't think the Shroud worked that way in Death Masks.
My vote is still for Murphy being an Einherjar. One, it’d be badass. Two, it allows her to live on while still dying and causing Harry to have loads of guilt. The Einherjar have been on screen for a long time, so I personally don’t feel her death would be cheapened by her ultimately coming back to fight in the BAT.
Yes, it's so much better for her to die than change. Truly, you have Murphy's best interests at heart when you push over and over for her to die.We don’t need character development, we need battle scenes and when Harry at last finds some love we need to have her killed as soon as possible with much blood and loud fireworks. Especially when she is so bloody minded to have her own opinion about things and worst of all about Harry.
Yes, it's so much better for her to die than change. Truly, you have Murphy's best interests at heart when you push over and over for her to die.
People get older and they adapt, they change. Sometimes illness or other health problems accelerate that but it is there for all of us. I want to read how she adapts because she is not just an action doll you first tear a leg off and then throw into the garbage bin. She is also, as we have seen in Ghost Story, a leading figure in the paranet which is going to play some role in the next two books.
No, she is not, we haven't heard much about her paranet role since Ghost Story.That is because we did not hear that much about the paranet period. There is no reason to believe she is not involved anymore, that we probably would have heard.
That is because we did not hear that much about the paranet period. There is no reason to believe she is not involved anymore, that we probably would have heard.
Similarly she must have some sort of job or source of income, we did not hear about that either. We will probably hear something about it in the next two books.
As a normal biologically speaking vanilla human, Murphy is going to get older, at forty unless you are a wizard you begin to lose a step or two, you don't heal as fast as you did. Who knows age may have been a factor in how badly Nic was able to beat her up. That might not have happened to the Murphy of five years ago.
So sure, Murphy could recover if that’s what Jim wants to do; she could also have “complications” and she gets forced to take a different path, or suffer further consequences if she doesn’t. My only point is that speaking as one whom life has tried in this fashion, injury doesn’t *have* to mean permanent life changes. My own gut feeling is that when an author writes injury into a character’s arc there’s a reason for that, so I doubt she’ll be as fortunate as I, but it’s still Jim’s choice.
I believe real life injuries (and healing practices) have nothing to do with JB story. He has a plan for Murphy and he probably needs her to hit a physical and emotional low.
Yes! So that she decides to take a coin ;). Which after a while she will be able to give it up, probably with Harry's help, and go the redemption road.No, Harry will just be forced to kill her. Because she wouldn't be able to live with herself. You know. For Murphy's sake.
On a different note, the accountant would have had to be alive when the gang entered the vault. At least as far as the police are concerned. The body is going to have a different expired by date unless somebody pays off the medical examiner. Has this been mentioned?He was in a store where Harry used a bunch of ice magic. That might affect estimated time of death. Also, time of death is an estimate that gets less and less accurate as time goes on.
That is what Kringle said in Skin Game but he can see it being moved between those places so I think Nicodemus suspect or knows it is on the island.He can't see it being moved if it's in a bag or other container.
Yes! So that she decides to take a coin ;). Which after a while she will be able to give it up, probably with Harry's help, and go the redemption road.
Of all the options for Murphy's future, I think that is the least likely after the beating she took fromWe will see. But I think, she will be desperate, if she isn't yet. Maybe not yet in PT or BG, but I still think the coin thing isn't too far fetched. It's a feeling. If I'm wrong, you all are allowed to say "told you so" ;)
Nic. I really believe she would have to be totally desperate to even contemplate that.
We will see. But I think, she will be desperate, if she isn't yet. Maybe not yet in PT or BG, but I still think the coin thing isn't too far fetched. It's a feeling. If I'm wrong, you all are allowed to say "told you so" ;)
We will see. But I think, she will be desperate, if she isn't yet. Maybe not yet in PT or BG, but I still think the coin thing isn't too far fetched. It's a feeling. If I'm wrong, you all are allowed to say "told you so" ;)A coin is totally out of character. She knows what they are and is not interested. Even if she wants to go Faustian there are far better options available for her.
A coin is totally out of character. She knows what they are and is not interested. Even if she wants to go Faustian there are far better options available for her.
I totally agree. Now if her injuries had been cause by other means than being beaten up by Nic and she saw no other way especially if Harry was about to be killed? Possible, remote, but possible, but now? I cannot see her doing that. As for a Faustian bargain, that doesn't turn out well if Jim follows the traditional outcomes. In one Faust is redeemed but has to die in the process and goes to Heaven, in the other, he goes to Hell and burns.. So if she does die, that might be what Jim chooses, she makes her Faustian bargain to save Harry, in the end she is redeemed for making it but dies in the process and goes to Heaven to help her father working for Uriel.Harry did not necessarily mean a deal with the forces of hell. There is Odin, Mab,
Harry did not necessarily mean a deal with the forces of hell. There is Odin, Mab,
Maybe even Molly.
There are huge costs but not necessarily your soul
Murphy would never willingly take up a coin, and she is willing to die if it helps defeat the nickle heads.
Harry blames himself for everything, so i could see him making a deal to get Murphy healthy.
I don't think the issue of Murphy injury should be solved quickly.
... or get her into the FBI. I mean, since agent Tilly was introduced in Changes, he wasn't seen since then. He is an acquaintance who could at least get her some kind of liaison status with the FBI, maybe leading to membership in the future.
In the official page there is no information of when it happens but I understood it was before BG, so we can have some suspense.
I don't see Murphy making a Faust deal after this chapter (and the coin is super unlikely imo), but I wouldn't be surprised if something happens in the same way Michael briefly got healed in Skin Game. There's been speculation that Murphy appearing to be thinking of cutting off her cast in the trailer is to saddle up and that'll lead to her being reckless and cause doom. However, if something healed her - even temporarily - then she's not cutting it off for funsies. She's cutting it off because she can now physically help out.
Who said it was Murphy. It could be Goodman grey ;D
I read a blurb that supposedly was the time line, that Christmas Eve happens post Skin Game, so Murphy must have still been in the hospital.
No, all the references of thousands of casualties said it is not after SG but at least after PT, perhaps after BG too.I believe christmass eve was written before the split was anounced.
No, all the references of thousands of casualties said it is not after SG but at least after PT, perhaps after BG too.It's been a while since I've read Christmas Eve, but now that you mention it I remember that being said as well and it makes sense now. All I am going by is I Googled the time line for when Christmas Eve takes place and the answer was just after Skin Game. However while yeah, in Skin Game there was a body count, it didn't number in the thousands. Question though, just how does the supernatural world cover something like that up or explain it to the vanilla human world?
It's been a while since I've read Christmas Eve, but now that you mention it I remember that being said as well and it makes sense now. All I am going by is I Googled the time line for when Christmas Eve takes place and the answer was just after Skin Game. However while yeah, in Skin Game there was a body count, it didn't number in the thousands. Question though, just how does the supernatural world cover something like that up or explain it to the vanilla human world?The rumor is that Battle Ground is the book that opens the world's eyes to the supernatural. Not sure how it's going to be explained... who would do the explaining? It's just gonna come out, and think about how the world would react to that. A thousand different ways by people of different cultures in different countries.
Cold Days was Halloween. After that he stayed half a year on Demonreach. So, in Skin Game it would have been around May. In the first chapter of peace talks he told Thomas, that he was a full time dad for one month now. So, I would say, PT happens in June or July, depending on when he took Maggie to his new home.Skin Game was in February. Which I found a little unbelievable given Lake Michigan Ice and the lack of snow everywhere. It was also a year and change since Cold Days.
In Christmas Eve the talk was about the events of "last summer" and "all the deaths" so there are several months between the peace talks and Christmas Eve. I don't think BG would be more than half a year after PT, but more like immediately afterwards.
Skin Game was in February. Which I found a little unbelievable given Lake Michigan Ice and the lack of snow everywhere. It was also a year and change since Cold Days.
My brother threw up his hands. "What does a woman need to do, Harry? Rip her clothes off, throw herself on top of you, and shimmy while screaming, 'Do me, baby!'?" he shook his head. "Sometimes you're a frigging idiot.Apparently, even that was not enough for Harry.
That depends on the winter though, some are harsher than others.. Also Chicago isn't constantly covered in a blanket of snow, and Lake Michigan can have less ice, even in February.I grew up not to far north of there. We have Snow until Mid-March pretty much every year. Especially years where Mab keeps the Lake Ice, "Abnormally late this year" by having it melt a month early...
I grew up not to far north of there. We have Snow until Mid-March pretty much every year. Especially years where Mab keeps the Lake Ice, "Abnormally late this year" by having it melt a month early...
Snow comes later a lot. Often not until late December or early January. But there's always 3 months of it minimum. Michael's yard should have had a foot of snow in it.
Just looked it up, Chicago had nine inches for the month of February in 2020 and eight inches in 2019.. I was there for Christmas visiting my son and his family in 2017 and there was only a couple of inches on the ground, in fact it melted and the ground was bare, it actually rained if I remember. Now that isn't to say they cannot get some fearsome blizzards, they can, and it can be colder than a witch's tit as my husband used to say who lived there for years.. There is also ice on the lake, but that too varies. My son lives in a Chicago suburb like Michael, when I got there for Christmas there was perhaps three or four inches of snow on the ground, but it was melted and they ground was bare by the time I left just before New Years.January and February are the coldest months of the year. Snow that lands during them rarely melts up here. Note that that 8 and 9 inches is what fell during that month with January usually having more that won't be melting. Christmas is warmer by comparison a lot of the time. Jim doesn't live by Lake Michigan. He messed that up. It happens. But make no mistake. There's always snow in the yard in Chicago in February. (Let alone the yard of the Winter Lady...)