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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: Conspiracy Theorist on October 19, 2020, 09:41:06 AM
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Going through the audio book at the moment and just got to the bit where Harry muses ‘it says something about me, that pizza may be the best investment I ever made’
We also have the Guard displaying the Pizza Spress logo and the words “For The Za Lord” on their cloaks.
Finally we have Harry’s explanation to Mab as to how he bound and motivated all the Small Folk with Pizza . “Neuromancy, you?, I shudder to think!”
Is this all foreshadowing Harry eventually owning Pizza Spress, as a wedding gift from Mab or a dowry from Lara?
It would allow the Guard to properly use the logo and bind them tighter to Harry as well as provide a source of payment to the Guard. An army marches on its stomach, and in the case of the Little Folk flys as well. He has bounds Thousands of Little Folk, owning Pizza Spress could bind millions. That would interest Mab.
What would be the consequences? Would “For The Za Lord,” be the new corporate logo, would Toot be the new Company Mascot? If so how large would Toot become from this? Could Pizza Spress use the Little Folk in delivery, in place of drones? (If you can convince them not to eat every pizza). Would Lacuna be allowed to run an especially gruesome ‘brush your teeth after meals’ campaign?
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but is it better than the buck he used to hire Goodman Grey for Peace Talks?
(and did he ever pay Michael back?)
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Going through the audio book at the moment and just got to the bit where Harry muses ‘it says something about me, that pizza may be the best investment I ever made’
We also have the Guard displaying the Pizza Spress logo and the words “For The Za Lord” on their cloaks.
Finally we have Harry’s explanation to Mab as to how he bound and motivated all the Small Folk with Pizza . “Neuromancy, you?, I shudder to think!”
Is this all foreshadowing Harry eventually owning Pizza Spress, as a wedding gift from Mab or a dowry from Lara?
It would allow the Guard to properly use the logo and bind them tighter to Harry as well as provide a source of payment to the Guard. An army marches on its stomach, and in the case of the Little Folk flys as well. He has bounds Thousands of Little Folk, owning Pizza Spress could bind millions. That would interest Mab.
What would be the consequences? Would “For The Za Lord,” be the new corporate logo, would Toot be the new Company Mascot? If so how large would Toot become from this? Could Pizza Spress use the Little Folk in delivery, in place of drones? (If you can convince them not to eat every pizza). Would Lacuna be allowed to run an especially gruesome ‘brush your teeth after meals’ campaign?
Well, we see in BG that the influence the 'Za Lord has over the little folk of Chicago is bigger then previously thought. Harry literally pulled a Pixie army out of his butt.
Clearly the end game here is Harry becoming a Faerie Queen in his own right, ruling over the Domain of Pizza.
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Well, we see in BG that the influence the 'Za Lord has over the little folk of Chicago is bigger then previously thought. Harry literally pulled a Pixie army out of his butt.
It isn't just the pizza, the little folk are forever grateful to Harry for freeing, hundreds if not more of them when the Raiths had them imprisoned in cages to use as "fairy lights."
Here is a thought, in the light of what the Raiths did do to the Pixies, Toot and Z'Gard are not going to take kindly to a marriage between Harry and Lara.
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Lara giving Harry Pizza S’Press might make amends, hadn’t considered that angle.
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Lara giving Harry Pizza S’Press might make amends, hadn’t considered that angle.
She may have to buy the whole Domino Pizza Cooperation as a wereguild...
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It has been shown that the Little Folk would probably settle for a single slice of pizza over a corporate share certificate granting ownership. Sadly Harry is probably little better, especially if hungry. Neither are terribly good with money, Harry really needs a business manager, versed in the arcane magical art of economics. Maybe Andi or Marci? They at least could keep the wolf from the door by the simple expedient of closing it after themselves. Marci did leave Chicago for a time maybe she has some practical business experience.
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Clearly the end game here is Harry becoming a Faerie Queen in his own right, ruling over the Domain of Pizza.
It is all but beyond dispute.
It isn't just the pizza, the little folk are forever grateful to Harry for freeing, hundreds if not more of them when the Raiths had them imprisoned in cages to use as "fairy lights."
But mostly because of the pizza.
I don't think we have any idea what Andi went to college for. Maybe she went for finance or something.
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But mostly because of the pizza.
No, surprisingly his act of freeing the Pixies did more, that came from Toot himself, that act was huge because no one gives a damn about the Pixies, Harry did.
Toot explains it, Turn Coat page288
Toot buzzed in an excited circle. "For you? Every sprite and pixie and dewdrop faeie with in a hundred miles knows you saved our kind from being imprisoned by the Lady of the Cold Eyes! There's not a one who didn't have a comrade or kin languishing in durance vile!"
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Seriously should Harry gain control of Pizza S’Press then he can look to expand the brand to expand his power base amongst wizards, for example Carlos family are restaurateurs, perhaps the offer of a franchise in LA and control over the Little Folk there might help bring Carlos on side. The brand is said to be regional so plenty of room to expand.
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No, surprisingly his act of freeing the Pixies did more, that came from Toot himself, that act was huge because no one gives a damn about the Pixies, Harry did.
Toot explains it, Turn Coat page288
Toot then walks back how much support it gained him. In BG, it's the threat to pizza that really gets them moving.
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Toot then walks back how much support it gained him. In BG, it's the threat to pizza that really gets them moving.
Well, it's been a few years. Most of the smaller ones aren't so hot on the attention span / memory.
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Well, it's been a few years. Most of the smaller ones aren't so hot on the attention span / memory.
Well, protecting the pizza is important, but lets not sell the loyalty of the wee ones short.
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BG Spoilers!
I agree it has been several years and most forgot. In this battle they were defending the pizza. BUT, if a random Senior Council (for example) would have asked them to do what they did, with a pizza deal in exchange, they probably wouldn't have accepted because of mistrust. They accepted to do it for Harry because they know him.
And definitely I think it is a great idea. Harry needs to buy the pizza Spress.
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BG Spoilers!
I agree it has been several years and most forgot. In this battle they were defending the pizza. BUT, if a random Senior Council (for example) would have asked them to do what they did, with a pizza deal in exchange, they probably wouldn't have accepted because of mistrust. They accepted to do it for Harry because they know him.
And definitely I think it is a great idea. Harry needs to buy the pizza Spress.
Yup. However I also think it is about debts as well. Toot and company maybe tiny, but they understand debt, it is sacred for the Fae. When Harry freed so many of them, they feel they owe him a debt, that is what Toot was saying. Now pizza doesn't hurt, and Harry happily pays them for
their work, its one of the great benefits to being a vassal of Za'Lord.
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Debt is debt. Once it's been paid, it is gone. The promise of pizza is forever.
The debt of from being freed was paid in TC.
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Debt is debt. Once it's been paid, it is gone. The promise of pizza is forever.
The debt of from being freed was paid in TC.
Pizza is always negotiated for every task that Za'Gard does, however the loyalty goes beyond that. That is what freaked out Christos and company.
Mab sums it up in Summer Knight page366
"It is unusual for a mortal to be able to Call any of the Faerie, even the lowest into service, but it has been done before. Fear not for your little warriors."
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Is Toot still growing? How tall do you think he will get? If Harry keeps using him as the general of the wee army, you think he will eventually get human size?
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They knew Harry was good for the Pizza before he became Winter Knight, afterwards it’s an obligation enforced by Winter Law.
Toot is definitely growing someone needs to do a time-line of his growth, he is two and half feet tall now, he could stand on Lacuna’s shoulders and look Murphy in the eye. His growth is linked to his and Harry’s importance according to WOJ.
It strikes me that the Eye of Balor is powered by hate, although it was considered it could be powered by love as Mab says they are the same thing and not opposites, so could it be powered by the Little Folks love of Pizza? Would Pizza S’Press provide Harry with a HUGE battery for the Eye?
This may explain how large Toot will grow. Big enough to comfortably wield the Eye out of love of Pizza.
Of course if Harry owns Pizza S’Press he will probably be audited by the IRS, a whole new way for Jim to torture Harry. “about those diamonds, Mr Dresden”, “the amount of pizza consumed for personal use, is not exorbitant, it is physically impossible Mr Dresden”, “it is not permissible to pay your taxes with ‘Farie Gold’ Mr Dresden”. He would have to get Lacuna to qualify as an accountant, she would be good at it.
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If Harry actually marries Lara, I think his business troubles will be over. She has people for that and would would see it handled properly just so he can at minimum make a good show. Or he could give Molly a second favor and have her people handle it.
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If Harry actually marries Lara, I think his business troubles will be over. She has people for that and would would see it handled properly just so he can at minimum make a good show. Or he could give Molly a second favor and have her people handle it.
Could end his relationship with Toot though, I believe Lara is the "Cold Eyed Lady," that imprisoned hundreds of his friends so they could have pretty colored lights.
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Lara was pushing the boundaries with the Fae, offering a calculated insult to the Courts to get them to engage with her. It looks like it worked. Literally in Harry’s case.
As the spouse of the Winter Knight, I presume Lara’s styling in the Winter Court would be Lady Lara, or the Winter Knight’s Lady as Harry is technically Sir Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden now (In The BAT hopefully we see Chauncey use Harry’s name properly, only to fail as he omits the Sir). Never the Winter Lady (Molly would have a fit). The Cold Eyed Lady might just stick in the Winter Court. Typically she may herself be bound to some extent by Harry’s obligations and duties as Winter Knight, so she may have to apologise to the Little Folk, and make reparations. Werepizza.
Add enough pizza and she can have as many Faerie lights at her wedding as she wants. I would presume the Za Guard would provide an honour guard for the ‘happy’ couple in any event.
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Is there that much werepizza to satisfy the damages done to Toot's pals? ???
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Toot and his pals would give it a damn good try!
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Is Toot still growing? How tall do you think he will get? If Harry keeps using him as the general of the wee army, you think he will eventually get human size?
He was bigger in this book than ever before. If not larger. His lieutenants were bigger than Toot used to be.
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He was bigger in this book than ever before. If not larger. His lieutenants were bigger than Toot used to be.
That is because their loyalty to Harry runs deeper than an extra large pepperoni and cheese.
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They insist on extra cheese.
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It's for shadowing sure, something along the lines of Harry being 'the burger king', the Za Lord has been hanging around in the background for years. Been pretty much waiting on him to become the mantle of the snack king or some such since before I realized it threaded into the conservation of history theory and points at another connection between Harry and Odin/Kringle. Harry's even most well known for it in his wintery guise via the small folk who knows him as such.
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I think Harry needs to invest in a good pizza take out place... Yeah, he has to get a good manager to make it profitable, but it is an easy way to keep Za'Gard in fresh pizza, Toot made it clear that they do not like the frozen kind you get from the supermarket as well.. Heck they have put it on the line more than once for Za'Lord, it is the least he can do.
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You know they'll just end up making it themselves... Elves making pizza..
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The theory is premised upper Mab sanctioning the use of the Pizza S’Press logo and livery, and that as Fae she cannot lie ergo she owns Pizza S’Press otherwise she would be running a false flag operation. In addition as Harry’s Lord she has to ensure that Harry can provide for himself and his warriors under arms. The Za Lord’s guard would not accept a diet of meals ready to eat. Mab owns Pizza S’Press, she just hasn’t told Harry, and she may be waiting for an appropriate time to give it to him. I presume it may be upon his wedding, (it certainly wasn’t his birthday or Christmas) he is undertaking a major boon for Mab, so he might have found out before now if the wedding hadn’t been delayed by a year.
Pre-figuring in The Law, Harry is making his croissant crust pizza for game night. He mentions it repeatedly.
Harry is unlikely to be a major franchise mascot, he doesn’t have the face for it, but Toot and Lacuna would be ideal I would go with Toot and Lacuna toot- brushes. “After eating all that messy pizza, brush your teeth OR ELSE” Lacuna. Dental health in the tri-state area would improve immensely
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Pre-figuring in The Law, Harry is making his croissant crust pizza for game night. He mentions it repeatedly.
Which is weird because you wouldn't want to use croissant dough, both are yeast doughs, but there the comparison ends. Croissant dough is a many layered bread dough with butter in-between the layers, and is an all day project.. Not traditional pizza dough at all..
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Giving Harry a lot of culinary credit there. I'd assume most of his cooking involves prepackaged things. like his typical " sandwich out of whatever cold cuts were in the ice box and a coke" meals.
The Little Folk may sneer at frozen pizza, but I bet Harry doesn't mind it so much.
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Giving Harry a lot of culinary credit there. I'd assume most of his cooking involves prepackaged things. like his typical " sandwich out of whatever cold cuts were in the ice box and a coke" meals.
The Little Folk may sneer at frozen pizza, but I bet Harry doesn't mind it so much.
But in this case they shouldn't be ignored, "an army marches on it's stomach" after all. ::)
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Too much frozen pizza and that army marches on Harry’s stomach.
My guess Harry started making pizzas with frozen pizza dough, to satiate his armsmen (and woman) and accidentally bought a load of Croissant Dough instead and…. didn’t notice until people started commenting on how terrific the croissant crust was.
Harry’s a wizard, is he is going to take credit for a mistake as being on purpose, or admit to the mistake?
Harry would keep re-inforcing the ‘on purpose’ with his little recitation.
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Too much frozen pizza and that army marches on Harry’s stomach.
My guess Harry started making pizzas with frozen pizza dough, to satiate his armsmen (and woman) and accidentally bought a load of Croissant Dough instead and…. didn’t notice until people started commenting on how terrific the croissant crust was.
Harry’s a wizard, is he is going to take credit for a mistake as being on purpose, or admit to the mistake?
Harry would keep re-inforcing the ‘on purpose’ with his little recitation.
No, in this case I think Harry was feeding his minimen with boxed frozen pizza like you'd get in the frozen food section of your local supermarket... Toot and his men know fresh mozzarella cheese made from real milk and artificial..
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He had frozen pizza, I say he switched to frozen dough and fresh ingredients like a lot of pizza chains do (the have a central depot where the dough is made, frozen and dispatched daily to the restaurants, defrosted at need and topped with their proprietary sauce (also centrally made and canned) , Mozarella and fresh chopped toppings. If someone like Charity (definitely NOT Molly)is making a couple of gallons of sauce fresh for Harry each Thursday, his pizza’s are likely fresher and tastier than any of the chains.
This is something Harry can replicate when owning Pizza ‘S’Press, change the dough and sauce recipes to a croissant and scale up Charities recipe.
The question is though toppings…….. cold cuts meat feast obviously for Harry. Toot everything on but everyone else?
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He had frozen pizza, I say he switched to frozen dough and fresh ingredients like a lot of pizza chains do (the have a central depot where the dough is made, frozen and dispatched daily to the restaurants, defrosted at need and topped with their proprietary sauce (also centrally made and canned) , Mozarella and fresh chopped toppings. If someone like Charity (definitely NOT Molly)is making a couple of gallons of sauce fresh for Harry each Thursday, his pizza’s are likely fresher and tastier than any of the chains.
This is something Harry can replicate when owning Pizza ‘S’Press, change the dough and sauce recipes to a croissant and scale up Charities recipe.
The question is though toppings…….. cold cuts meat feast obviously for Harry. Toot everything on but everyone else?
You are ignoring a technicality, what is being shipped is the dough rolled out frozen, not the whole pizza. In the restaurant they put fresh ingredients on. In the story Harry was taking out whole pizzas already frozen, not the same. Also in the better places? They toss their own and advertise the fact.
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oh, I'm a pizza snob. I will eat fast food pizza if it's put in front of me out of politeness to my host, but I'm not going to go there myself.
Frozen pizza? nope nope nope.
So I totally get where you're coming from Mira.
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Yes but it’s mostly the non-chain mom and pop pie shops which make fresh dough daily on site which are undoubtedly the best, but these are getting crowded out by the chains, or having to sell cheaper burgers, kebabs and fried chicken as well. Every time a proper pizza place is forced to sell cheap fried chicken, a sprite looses their wings.
The most frightening thing a Sprite can read on a menu “Mozarella style topping” not real mozzarella, nor often even real cheese. Definitely not real pizza, something an Outsider would relish.
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Yes but it’s mostly the non-chain mom and pop pie shops which make fresh dough daily on site which are undoubtedly the best, but these are getting crowded out by the chains, or having to sell cheaper burgers, kebabs and fried chicken as well. Every time a proper pizza place is forced to sell cheap fried chicken, a sprite looses their wings.
The most frightening thing a Sprite can read on a menu “Mozarella style topping” not real mozzarella, nor often even real cheese. Definitely not real pizza, something an Outsider would relish.
Indeed, and Toot and Za'Gard understand these are hard times, also they do not want to lose their wings.. However since they put their lives on the line for Za'Lord, they shouldn't have to settle for second best, i.e. frozen.
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On this basis with a frozen (but defrosted) croissant base fresh sauce, fresh toppings and proper mozzarella Harry’s pizza’s are probably better than Pizza S’Press or any of the chains. Frankly Harry owning it would improve their pies.
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On this basis with a frozen (but defrosted) croissant base fresh sauce, fresh toppings and proper mozzarella Harry’s pizza’s are probably better than Pizza S’Press or any of the chains. Frankly Harry owning it would improve their pies.
Maybe to human taste, but these are little folk, and Toot made it clear to Harry that Za'Gard weren't happy with the frozen stuff he was providing them with.
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Perhaps there is a type of Winter Fae that is especially adapted to making dough?
Or perhaps the Za Guard abducted the Pillsbury Doughboy (Popp’in fresh)from the Never Never and he is imprisoned in Castle Dresden making endless fresh pizza bases.
Actually the latter makes sense, certainly to Toot, and Popp might willingly join the Za Guard as it’s first infantry member, he is a doughboy after all, and cannot fly.
He would of course be able to make doughnuts as well, to provide the Za_Guard with a properly rounded meal. The perfect match for the Za Guard, Culinary Specialist Doughboy
With the power to make infinite amounts of fresh dough instantly from basic ingredients and insane baking skills Doughboy would also be essential to Harry’s Business Plan.
Jim, if this is brought to your attention I waive all legal claim to the idea and concept and you are wholly free to use it, and you should be able to use “Doughboy”, not only is it not the characters official name,(created 1965) but has been a slang term amongst the infantry since the American Civil War, avoiding the problem you had with the Phobophages.
I rather like the idea of Harry bothered by Toot into reviewing the troops as a chore doing a double take on seeing Culinary Specialist Doughboy for the first time having eaten his baked goods for months.