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Wait.

So what's pure speculation and what's WOJ?

If something is WOJ, when and where did it happen? Who can confirm?

Word of Jim, something he said at a book signing or some other gig..  Most place that above what he wrote in his novels, some of us do not..  Not always but sometimes WOJ seems to contradict what he was getting at at the time he wrote the book.  There are those where who  keep all WOJ on record. and you can find most things that you are looking for.  Then there is the stuff that claims to be WOJ but turns out are made up out of whole cloth, urban myth, yet taken as gospel over what was written in the books.. That has lead to some really hard feelings between the what is written in the books verses WOJ crowd, until someone comes clean and says that Jim never said this or that.. Apparently Fitz is one of those hotly debated subjects.

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Is that your definition of moral character? Honesty?

The Alpha's weren't a 'mess'...they were just children, both litterally and figuratively...she taught them how wolves act, how to actually USE the senses of their new forms.
I dont' think she was running ethics classes, though.
  Honesty is basic to morality my friend.  Yes, she did, and she also taught them how wolves act, no more, no less, true to themselves and true to the animal form they were taking, that is ethics. 

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Could you please define 'great moral character'? It just seems like one of those 'fuzzy' opinion things.

Also, remember, she was engaged to the Loup, and I think there's a scene where she tells Harry at least part of the reason is because he's the most destructive thing out there.

  By her lights, tis a judgment call for sure, she was honest as only a wolf or a dog can be honest, the Alphas would have turned into a mess if it weren't for her..

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She taught them how to be wolves, according to Fool Moon.
I'm not sure what other 'values' are being discussed.

For one thing she taught the Alphas that wolves do not act like the guys with the belts, nor do they act like the Loup.  As I remember she was of great moral character in her own right, a great example for the young Alphas.

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HA!

 Makes sense because red heads are supposed to have bad tempers... ;)

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i always took Eric the red being odd for haveing red hair thus being dubbed eric the red but what do iknow

  That is how I understood he got the name, but I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time nor the last.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_hair

"Red or reddish-tinged hair is also found in other European populations particularly in the Nordic and Baltic countries as well as parts of the Netherlands, Spain, Belgium, France, Greece, Turkey, Portugal, Italy, Germany, Russia and South Slavic countries."

 Yeah, it is all about the right combo of genes, it isn't good to generalize too much about any group.

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But red hair is associated with the Irish, not the Scandanavians.  Yes, there are red haired Vikings, but from what I've seen Blonde and Black hair is WAAAAY more common than Red hair. 

Edit: And you keep bringing up Eric the Red.  Are you a descendant or something?  Not mocking, I'm just curious.
No, I happen to be a Danish decent, lots of red heads in my family.  There was a bit of a Scandinavian colony where I grew up, a lot of them were red heads.  In fact I know more red heads of Scandinavian decent than I do Irish, most of the ones I know have black hair.

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So...Jim didn't actually say Fitz is cursed, Serack did...?

It's because he has red hair isn't it? Ron Weasley had red hair! Ginger power!

(Even though I have brown hair  :P)

 He could also be related to Gard, lots of Scandinavians have red hair, remember the famous Viking, Eric the Red?

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That is assuming that he has aged the way a human would for his entire life. If the hypothesis is correct then that might not be the case. If one of his parents was a wolf and one was a human then why assume he ages at the same rate as a normal human?
 
  That is a good point, but a stretch in my opinion, yes the age is all wrong. What tells me more than anything he isn't Tera West's pup, is his behavior.  Wolves are social creatures, they run in packs and are very good parents.  Tera West was impressive in her values,  a big thing she did was to teach the Alphas a good value system and what it means to be a wolf.  Fitz didn't show any of that, yeah, he is a sensitive, and Harry saw that he wasn't all bad, but if Harry hadn't come along, Fitz would have continued down the same road he was on most likely.  To me that just doesn't fit with the values of Tera West.

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I still think that fitz can't be a wolf because we have a wolf character. it would be like a new cop joining with murphy-what's the point? we have a couple of wolves already. IMO, that means that 1. either fitz is a wolf but will not be significant, or 2. that he isn't a wolf and would be significant.
since fitz got a lot of screen time in GS, i say it has to be the second

  I can see Fitz at some point becoming a Holy Knight, but sorry but I agree to me it just doesn't fit as a wolf.  I cannot see a child of Tara West, raised with her values in the woods of the Pacific Northwest, falling into the gutter to be pushed around as he was by a second rate sorcerer.  So as much as his description fits some things most of the stuff just doesn't fit.

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Some interesting conjecture. Indeed, Fitz's name may have significance or it may just be someone naming him that because it sounded nice to them. Hopefully we will learn something in the next book. I have no idea what form a baby from a human and non human comes out. I think it may vary, some human looking and some the non human parent looking and some somewhere in between. I think Fix may be a scion of a human and non human. He seemed to be more mind magic resistant than normal besides the being able to hear Harry and the unusual eyes. Hopefully Zero wasn't named that because he is worthless. ;)
Yeah, we have no evidence that either Tara West or MacFadden could hear or see ghosts, but that doesn't mean that they couldn't.  I got the impression that Tara West was much more inclined to the wolf side than her "human side," so if Fitz is a son, he may have several bothers and sisters also under the curse.

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Fitz may well be too young to have had his first transformation.  It would be entirely in-genre for such curses to remain inactive "until his 18th birthday"...or 16th, or 21st, or whatever is particularly significant.  As far as Tera West's possibly unconventional parenting style, it's worth remembering that she isn't human, and lost her mate, who was human, several years ago.

One thing to remember is, according to the curse, it's almost certain that West and MacFinn had a child.  Since we know that they never married before MacFinn's death, that child would be a bastard.  Fitz means bastard.  He has physical characteristics that resemble Tera West and MacFinn, acts in a semi-wolfish sort of way socially, and we apparently have a WoJ that Fitz is cursed.  These are rather a lot of factors to dismiss in order to claim it's a coincidence.

I realize JB's also said that he had no plans to use Fitz as a character again, but you never know.  That doesn't contradict any of the above; it could mean that JB doesn't plan to bring the Loup-Garou curse back into the plotline.  This makes sense--the Loup-Garou curse was covered in FM, and if it originated from Saint Patrick (who was a bloody idiot, if so), then it doesn't seem to be an integral part of the long-term plotline.

Okay, but wouldTera conceive as a human or a wolf?  Have one child or a litter of pups?  Yes, Fitz means bastard, but people have names like Fitzgerald and they are not bastards, an ancestor was.  Surely Fitz knows what is coming if he is indeed her son, yet how long is he going to stick around those kids?  I mean can you see Zero leaving him?

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It says: "He was youthfully scrawned, his skin bronze enough to look Native American, though his tangled red hair and pug nose argued otherwise. His eyes were an odd shade of brown, so light as to be nearly golden"

I think one of the reasons that WJM mentioned is quite unconclusive, but all of them together made a solid case (I am not saying is 100% sure, only that it is VERY probable)
Maybe Dina, but why go to all that trouble and then say he most likely not be in any of the future books? Also one more thought, you'd think that Terra West would have done a better job of raising her pup.  If he was raised in the Pacific Northwest, raised with the care and wisdom his mother had, what was he doing a stray dog orphan subjugated to a second rate sorcerer bully?  One more thing, if he was turning into a Loup every full moon, how come a lot of torn up bodies didn't turn up in Chicago? Heck all those kids, the second rate sorcerer himself?  Harry didn't mention seeing any fancy magic circle, the kind that would be needed to contain a Loop.  That's where I have a problem, it is easy to jump to conclusions based on his description and the fact that Jim said he was cursed, but when you think about it, it doesn't add up, at least to me it doesn't.

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The wolf speculation comes from:
A) Tera West was supposed to be in GS
B) A lot was done through proxies
C) MacFinn's curse can't die, but he didn't have a kid (that we knew of)
D) Fitz's skin was dark, almost bronze, like native american dark
E) Fitz's hair was red, like an Irishman's
F) Fitz's eyes are roughly the color of Tera West's
G) Fitz is Cursed

Taken together, it seems to point to Fitz being the result of Tera West and Harley MacFinn
But Tera West wasn't in Ghost Story, or at least I do not remember reading about her.
 Yeah, but the  proxies mentioned where Mab, Lea, Demonreach, maybe Uriel.  Nothing mentioned about Tera West.
 If MacFinn died, then either his nearest relative caught it, God wouldn't that be terrible?  Or the curse died with him.  The curse was on his family, when his family died it would die with them.  No evidence that Terra West had a litter of puppies.
 Fitz's skin is dark.. Well, he could be Hispanic, Italian, half AfroAmerican, Middle Eastern, Micronesian, and any other combination that produces darker skin, East Indian...
 Fitz's hair is red like an Irishman.. There are red haired people in my family, we are Danish.  There is a famous Viking named Eric the Red, because of his red hair, lots of Englishmen have red hair. 
 His eyes are roughly the color of Tera West's?  Lots of people have that eye color.
 Fitz is cursed.. Okay, WOJ on that one, but he also said Fitz in more books not likely.. So why say anything at all?  However there are more curses under the sun than you can shake a stick at, stay tuned.. You could be right, or just jumping to conclusions.

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