This is such an interested thread, don't know why I never visited ir before.

I'm not sure how to traslate exactly to the USA system, but I think this is close: I started a college degree in Accounting, I was really good at it, and it was where the money was, but it wasn't really something that made me happy. So I dropped out in the 3rd semester and went to persue the one thing that I have always liked, art.

So now I'm finishing the 4th year of what is a BA in Visual Arts (is kind of general knowledge of a lot of stuff art related but with more emphasis in conceptual art and history) and at the same time starting to work on my disertation. Honestly, I'm starting to panic because it's art you know. Here at least, has always been an under-developed sector. But, it's what I like *shurggs*

Currently, my disertation tutor is trying to hijack (I think that's the word) me to his side of the force, which is specialization in Art theory and critism. I'm considering that, there's only, I don't know, maybe 4 art critics around here and it's really interesting. Plus, I think I might not the artistic type after all, more the one that talks about it type.

I studied some english in elementary school, did a super fast 5 months course when I was in highschool, but most of it I learned it on the internet and actually talking to people with the dictionary at hand. I know a little of Italian, I spent a month there studying it (ok, more sightseeing *wink*). But I really want to keep learning more of that when I have the time, and German too. I'm a grammar freak in my native language, which is Spanish.

Because somewhere it was mentioned that the Council feared Harry. Here's my take on it

Personally, I think most people in the White Council could beat Harry if it was about raw power or skill, or both combined. You don't live more than 100 without learning a lot, and you don't make it to the White Council without being a badass in some form. That said, I think what Harry is, is well connected (Mab, his godmother, etc.). And having connections is important, it has save him more than once.

I think what the Council fears about him is not his raw magical power, is his personality. And that he's like a child with matches. I mean, think about it, aren't you scared when you see that? A child playing with matches will hurt himself, his little friends playing with him and he might probably set the house on fire. If they fear something about him, I think that is it.

Was anyone else bawling when he was not saying goodbye to Karrin and visiting Maggie and Mouse?  Holy crap. Tears are running down my face but I could not stop reading.  Ah.  Totally cathartic though, I really appreciated that, I felt it well done.  Thanks Mr. Butcher.

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I was right there with you, crying my eyes out at that end. I felt it was so difficult for Harry, so painful to say goodbye.

For a moment I thought maybe my computer went crazy on me, LOL.

I like the new look I don't mind the spoiler thing, what gets me confused are the quotes, but I'll survive

3. Am I the only one who saw this book as definitely putting the kibosh on Harry/Molly? p. 442: "...and crushes probably didn't last for years. Did they? They faded. Molly's feelings hadn't, but I didn't reciprocate them. I loved her to pieces but I was never going to be in love with her."  That seems pretty definite to me....

It seemed that way to me too. But people in this forum make you think about that one. So, I went back and read, then I got confused because maybe he was just in denial. But (maybe I'm just too much of a "shipper" and I just prefer him with Murph and that's clouding my judgement because I'm so not seeing what most people are seeing now regarding the Harry/Molly thing) I'm back to: it seemed pretty final that Harry just doesn't love her that way.

Karrin - How do you all think Murphy is going to react to finding out that a) Harry is alive , b) Harry arranged his own murder and all the consequences that came from it, and c) that Harry used Kincaid, possibly the only other male romantic interest for her other than Harry, to do it. Personally I saw this novel as the death knell for any possible romantic hookup between Harry and Murphy. It reminds me of Harry's reaction to Susan not telling him about maggie. "We're done, you knew it when you didn't tell me about my child" or something to that extent. I can't see Murphy forgiving Harry for what he's done to the city, his friends or her, regardless of him having the best of intentions.

Well, first of all, I think Karrin will feel betrayed. I mean, when they were talking in his appartment in Changes, when he told her what was happening, she put herself in the line for him, she promised she would be there to the end with him to get his daughter back, she compromised. But when the time came, he did not tell her of his suicide plan, that would be the motive she would feel betrayed, him hidding things from her. I think she could actually understand his motives for doing so, though. She knew what was at line.

What he did to the city? I don't know, the city went to hell because the Red Court was killed and yes, also because he was gone, but mostly because of the power vacum. I don't think she would hold it against him. Again, she knew what was in line when she set up to the mission with him.

I can't imagine her reaction to the shooter being Kincaid. I just can't. But mostly, I think she will be angry at Harry, and would probably rule out a relationship in the next couple of books, but I don't think it would be the same as what happened with Susan.