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The Site => Site Suggestions & Support => Topic started by: I am a book nerd on January 27, 2011, 12:54:30 AM
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Uhm not sure if this goes here but i had a question.
If you get a First Warning does it stay with you as long as you are on the site or after a certain time (If you have done nothing to get a Second Warning) will it go away so if you do something bad again (after the first First Warning goes away) you get the First Warning again?
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Speaking from experience, if you show honest regret, and through your actions show that you are a positive contributor to the boards, you shouldn't worry about the long term effects of having been spoken to one time when you were new.
Here's a direct quote from a bartender on the subject.
"a polite, reasonable, public response has more than once erased any "record" for the poster in question on that issue." (One of the PM's I need to backup)
I once got a bit wrapped around the axle about some responses to a concern I voiced and was asked to back off and take a brake from the subject. After a couple weeks of taking it easy, and a few deliberate internal attempts to moderate myself, and eventually an extension of an olive branch through PM's, I came to be pretty good friends with the respondent and was much happier for it.
Edit: OTOH, I have seen mods who appeared unhappy about individuals that habitually seemed to push the edge and drum up drama that they would rather was avoided. The mods do remember things, but they are also great people that want everybody to have an enjoyable experience here. If you are genuine in your desire to be an upstanding member of the boards, and behave as such, everybody should be happy, and I'll be glad to see your contributions!
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Thanks for the answer. I'm not planing to get into trouble but i was curious if it would be on a permanent record or not :)
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Thanks for the answer. I'm not planing to get into trouble but i was curious if it would be on a permanent record or not :)
Lol after posting, I went back and looked at your posts and saw that they were all sweet, with no edits, (with one that I guess has decayed due to the 2 week decay time on the pub) so I was wondering how you could have possibly earned a warning.
If you haven't, I recommend you read "The Book of Don't (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,21393.msg932261.html#msg932261)" and the other rules posts on the Announcements board. From that you can get a pretty clear picture of what not to do, and what constitutes a positive contributer
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I haven't earned one myself (and hope i never get one) i think a read The Book of Don't but i will probably read it again to make sure i didn't miss anything. the question just pop into my head and i didn't see it anywhere so i asked ;D
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I haven't earned one myself (and hope i never get one) i think a read The Book of Don't but i will probably read it again to make sure i didn't miss anything. the question just pop into my head and i didn't see it anywhere so i asked ;D
As an ex-employer of mine used to say - "There are no stupid questions only stupid mistakes!"
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As an ex-employer of mine used to say - "There are no stupid questions only stupid mistakes!"
Funny a ex-employer of mine used to say - "There are no stupid questions but there are fucking stupid people asking questions some times!" A very funny man but he had little patience for people.
(this is in no way a comment about any one's questions here its just a little anecdote about my life) :D
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One of my first bosses once told me, "You can screw up as many times as you possibly can and I won't have a problem. Just never screw up the same way twice."
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One of my first bosses once told me, "You can screw up as many times as you possibly can and I won't have a problem. Just never screw up the same way twice."
One boss once told me, when I apologized for making a mistake. "If you weren't making mistakes - I'd figure you weren't working."
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Yup.
Remember, folks, the rules are ultimately just guidelines. We're all expected to police ourselves individually; the mods are there (in principle) simply to handle things that have gotten out of hand. We'd quite honestly prefer not to have to set rules down in stone and then enforce them to the letter, but the occasional troll does lose track of his bridge and wander in, and then we have to fall back to the rules as written. But if you're basically self-monitoring and asking yourself the honest question of "How would *I* feel if that kind of thing were addressed to me?", you're 1) probably never even going to get an official newspaper to the nose and 2) almost certainly never going to have to face a second one. It usually takes something really egregious, contemptuous, scornful, aggressive or just plain nasty to earn a FIRST "warning" (note the lack of capital W), and since most people realize they've crossed a line when they do that kind of thing, the knowledge that it HAS been noticed is almost always enough to prevent a second occurrence.
In short, everyone makes mistakes. But not everyone keeps deliberately making the same mistakes aimed at others. That's the dividing line, and the vast majority of this forum's population is aware of that and lives by it. It's one of the reasons this forum is SO different from SO many other forums out there; it's actually a pleasant, enjoyable place to be. Hey, sure, some people do enjoy a wide-open, brawling, e-peen-on-the-table, nasty little snarl-fest, but they have plenty of places where they can practice their puffery... just not here. Too many cool folks here to let that sort run rampant.
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I love it when Shecky uses bold. It's very scary. ;D
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Shecky is like the best kind of dad there is...kind, thoughtful, intelligent, humorous, wise, caring and overal special, with the ability to shrink you to a nanoparticle with one, withering, well deserved look of shame. ;D All the Board monitors are great people! We all work hard to keep them happy, because when they're happy, we're happy! ;D
Except THOSE people who keep posting those nasty spider pictures, of course :o ;)
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What about cute spider pictures? ;D
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What about cute spider pictures? ;D
Such things do not exist.
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SPIDERS!!! Mwhahaha!
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Shecky's gonna get out the spider cannon or is that a spider discombobulator?
Whatever, it's death to Arachnids.
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A general ramblement, if I might be so bold...
We don't so much work on the "all your sins remembered" basis as we do on looking for specific patterns of (mis)behaviour. (Barring incidents that are pretty extreme.) Habitual offenses, like when someone keeps "accidently" making a Touchy Topic comment or thinly veiled insult. We note specific incidents, we compare notes to see if any of the other mods have warned a member about a certain or similar behaviour. Then we kill a baby male goat and rummage about in the slippety bits to determine what course of action is appropriate.
Just kidding about the goat.
If someone's trying to get along, making an honest effort to not get out of line, we'll do the best we can to work with them up to the point where the conduct is negatively affecting the community in general. (I can recall offhand only 1 or 2 incidents like that.) That usually has to be a pretty extreme and/or repetitive issue. Honest misunderstanding, attempts to get clarification and the like we understand. Mistakes happen, people have hotbuttons and bad days. We'll work with people who are willing to let us. It makes us happy to have things work positively for everyone involved. We're just all squishy and cuddly that way. (Although Angry Prisc and Irritated Blaze terrify me almost as much as my wife when she's angry. A body's got to be pretty far out of line for that to happen though.)
However.
If someone is making an intentional effort to rules lawyer, to circumvent or do an end-round on the rules, or is just plain being defiant and disrespectul of the rules, the staff, or the other members, then our gentle, tolerant nature slinks under the stairs and cries quietly until we decide the behavior has been corrected.
If you're ever not sure about something, ask one of the Mderators or Bartenders. You can post questions here, you can PM us. We try to update and clarify things as issues come up. (The Book Of Don't being kind of our "Patch Notes" for the rules and standards.
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One of my first bosses once told me, "You can screw up as many times as you possibly can and I won't have a problem. Just never screw up the same way twice."
I had a conductor say something similar after the tenor section screwed things up royally, the exact same way, two rehearsals in a row.
"It's okay to make mistakes We're all human. We all make mistakes. But next time, make a different mistake."
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If it helps reasure any new people, I got a bit louder than a warning once, and am now out of the dog house.
;D
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And she still refuses to address me with the proper "Yes, My Gatekeeper."
;)
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Yes, my gatekeeper, oh lord and master, oh king and emperor, oh someone get me some brain bleach.
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And something to slop up all that sarcasm that's puddling around her.
;D
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ith not my fault. Duckth have a thpeach impediment.
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ith not my fault. Duckth have a thpeach impediment.
..Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. A fact you exploit as often and as loudly as you can. ;) ;D
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Sylvester the Duck????
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I would thoot a rathberyy at you dethpicable people but whom would notithe.
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I would thoot a rathberyy at you dethpicable people but whom would notithe.
Sheckmer Fudd and Bugsgrey Bunny.
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you know, we are thupothed to be rethuring the new people now, not thcaring them away.
;D
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TOO LATE!!
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Oops.
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STOP RIGHT THERE!
(http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u330/paynesgrey2000/Stoprightthere.jpg)
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Oh thank GOD I hadn't eaten breakfast yet....where's that "I'm nauseous" smiley?
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beside my name, in the 'dummies guide to single women for dunk and desperate men'
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Sheckmer Fudd and Bugsgrey Bunny.
New screen name pairing? I'd vote for it. Just as soon as I'm done ROFLing.
Oh thank GOD I hadn't eaten breakfast yet....where's that "I'm nauseous" smiley?
What Katty said. PG, there was NO excuse for this. *shudder*
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New screen name pairing? I'd vote for it. Just as soon as I'm done ROFLing.
Be vewy, vewy quiet. I'm hunting wascals.
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... Dammit, Shecky, I just picked myself up. :D
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New screen name pairing? I'd vote for it. Just as soon as I'm done ROFLing. (http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq247/Myyrdn_Eopia/smileys/rofl.gif)
FIFY. ;D
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Be vewy, vewy quiet. I'm hunting wascals.
You.
Are.
Dithpicable.