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Title: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: KurtinStGeorge on November 30, 2021, 10:28:23 PM
Some of you already know this, so this is a PSA for everyone who doesn't know yet.  Toot Toot; and judging by the the book cover Lacuna, will team up with Mister to face off against an invader Harry is unaware of, in the short story "Little Things."  It will be released next May in a collection of short stories titled "Heroic Hearts." 

Here's a link to the Amazon page on it. 
https://www.amazon.com/Heroic-Hearts/dp/B09FC1MHY4/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Heroic+Hearts&qid=1638310575&sr=8-1 (https://www.amazon.com/Heroic-Hearts/dp/B09FC1MHY4/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Heroic+Hearts&qid=1638310575&sr=8-1)
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on November 30, 2021, 10:57:17 PM
Unless the cover is totally unrepresentative (Exhibit A Harry Dresden’s Hat) the threat is going to be in the Toot size range, so that if that is indeed Toot’s Sweet, Lacuna it is the eighteen inches height range plus and set after Cold Days. The armour and sword would suggest post Peace Talks, which time it could be several feet.

Toot doesn’t really care about Harry, he cares about the Za Lord, so it is likely Pizza is involved. An attack on Pizza S’Press by a rival fast food chain? Could it be evil clowns?
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Mira on December 01, 2021, 04:56:01 AM


Yeah, and it makes his armor look more like Harry's old leather overcoat.. Somehow I don't picture that, but then again those it is always in the cover art, Harry never mentions wearing a hat either.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Ed0517 on December 01, 2021, 06:48:15 AM
Unless the cover is totally unrepresentative (Exhibit A Harry Dresden’s Hat) the threat is going to be in the Toot size range, so that if that is indeed Toot’s Sweet, Lacuna it is the eighteen inches height range plus and set after Cold Days. The armour and sword would suggest post Peace Talks, which time it could be several feet.

Toot doesn’t really care about Harry, he cares about the Za Lord, so it is likely Pizza is involved. An attack on Pizza S’Press by a rival fast food chain? Could it be evil clowns?
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I think Toot LIKES Harry, but he SERVES the Za Lord. Do I smell a rat.... in the mozzarella?
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on December 01, 2021, 07:09:56 AM
On the teensiest bit of research Domino’s Pizza had a mascot called the Noid, voted amongst the creepiest of mascots.

Somewhere in the NeverNever the old nearly forgotten mascots dwell, dwindling in size and power, desperate to be relevant again and loved by children. Hold on, I have just described Day One.

If we are going into folklore, Boggarts i.e. Brownies gone bad. We don’t know what happened to the Brownies who looked after Harry’s old apartment. What happened to them after it burned down? Did they move into the Castle and get corrupted by Marcone/Namshiel as a housewarming gift for Harry?

Will we find out why Mister is called The Dread Beast? Has he been snacking on a diet of Little Folk? Is his cat litter full of fairy dust?
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Mira on December 01, 2021, 11:44:48 AM


Maybe Mister likes pizza?  Or he isn't dreaded by Toot, but by their enemies.. I can just picture Toot riding Mister into battle on a pepperoni saddle.. ;)
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: vincentric on December 01, 2021, 03:10:49 PM
The Little Folk are afraid of cats in general. Molly used that in Cold Days to run off Lacuna and her allies. Mister, being near malk-sized, would inspire some dread in them.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Mira on December 01, 2021, 03:59:19 PM
The Little Folk are afraid of cats in general. Molly used that in Cold Days to run off Lacuna and her allies. Mister, being near malk-sized, would inspire some dread in them.

Yeah, but Toot isn't just any little pixie anymore, heck he took on Shaggy in defense of Harry, he's grown in size since then, and is well armed now.. I doubt he'd be afraid of Mister, plus I really doubt that unless he is possessed, that Mister would be an enemy of Toot.

On the cover at least it looks like they are confronting some kind of bald headed demon.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on December 01, 2021, 09:49:16 PM
Arguably Toot took on and defeated Mavra an old Black Court Vampire one on one in Battle Ground.

It’s the team up which is intriguing Mister and Toot should be deadly enemies like Harry and Marcone, so it has to be a significant threat which affects both of them. Is Jim going to parody the ending of Battle Ground writ small?, if so is Marcone/Mister going to reveal he is a Malk Changeling and not a vanilla cat at all?

 (If A Malk Changeling he would have an extra long tail, the loss is significant as Lea may have planted him as a spy on Harry as kitten, in PT/BG Harry relates a story of a kitten involving his father which is very like Harry and Mister. That would make Lea a very determined stalker. She is. Mister is old for a cat , 3 years old by Storm Front making him 18 by Christmas Eve, in PT we have Harry commenting upon Mister getting on in age, but not really any diminution, so maybe Harry is starting to suspect something?. As a Changeling he wouldn’t age normally and it would start being noticeable. Mister in his micro fiction refers to humans as Monkeys, a term the Fae use derogatorily about mankind when called fairies. When has Mister seen a Monkey?. His food bowl in the microfiction refers to him as Emperor which would make him a Cat Sith. Jim has joked about his cat Fenris coming into his house as a stray kitten under false pretences, he was just a very small stray cat about 2-3 years old and not a kitten who totally dominates all the other pets and humans.)

Technically Mister considers Harry his vassal (he is a cat) which means he could consider Toot the vassal of his vassal.

Mister probably doesn’t like pizza, but would accept any anchovies picked off of one.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Mira on December 02, 2021, 05:15:19 AM


 Well, while Mister is getting on, it isn't unusual for them to live to be 18 or so.  My current cat Gabby
is about that age, she also lives his kind of life style, an indoor/outdoor hunting life style.  Now granted she doesn't leave as many dead birds on the doorstep or drag in as many dead rodents though the dog door to deposit in some dark corner like she used to, but she is still a tough old cat.

Oh one more thing, Gabby, as it happens does like pizza and will beg for it along side of the dogs.. She almost likes it as much as Kentucky Fried Chicken, extra crispy... ::)
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on December 02, 2021, 09:14:01 AM
Both my 16 year olds are winding down, loathe to go outside now, arthritic and losing teeth. Neither hunt any more.

The point is that Harry should be noticing anything like this in Mister if they are occurring, and all Harry realises is his calendar age, not symptoms of aging.

Besides if Jim killed off Mister the fanoutrage would be 1000 times worse than killing off Murphy, something Jim must be surely be aware of.

Besides it would be typical Harry to wind up with a second daughter
pet of whose supernatural nature he was unaware of, and right under his nose.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Mira on December 02, 2021, 01:19:21 PM
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The point is that Harry should be noticing anything like this in Mister if they are occurring, and all Harry realises is his calendar age, not symptoms of aging.

Actually I think Murphy mentions it to Harry, I think in Cold Days.  Mister went to live with her after Harry's "death,"  I don't have time right now to look up the exact quote, but it is mentioned that Mister isn't as young as he used to be, and I think something about the cold affecting him.. On the other hand Mister is a beloved character, so I don't know if Jim is willing to have his fans read as nature takes it's course.  However Mister isn't the only one, little Maggie is supposedly highly intelligent, could well have inherited talent from her father, is what eleven going on twelve now? If she was at least six when Changes happened, she would be, but still talks a lot like and is treated like a six year old in many ways.  True, she has suffered a lot of trauma, but that doesn't account for all of it.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Ed0517 on April 10, 2022, 08:25:26 AM
Unless the cover is totally unrepresentative (Exhibit A Harry Dresden’s Hat) the threat is going to be in the Toot size range, so that if that is indeed Toot’s Sweet, Lacuna it is the eighteen inches height range plus and set after Cold Days. The armour and sword would suggest post Peace Talks, which time it could be several feet.

Toot doesn’t really care about Harry, he cares about the Za Lord, so it is likely Pizza is involved. An attack on Pizza S’Press by a rival fast food chain? Could it be evil clowns?

Hey - toot is growing due to the responsibilities placed on him by Harry - why is Lacuna growing? Heck, she could be a DENT....
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Mira on April 10, 2022, 10:47:25 AM
Hey - toot is growing due to the responsibilities placed on him by Harry - why is Lacuna growing? Heck, she could be a DENT....

  She is a lot more complex than we think, until she was "captured" by Toot she was also a leader.  As far as Mister goes, he may tolerate the little folk very well, let us not forget that Brownies are Harry's cleaning service. 
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: LaraBeck on April 10, 2022, 06:20:30 PM
You can actually read an excerpt of the story here: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/611814/heroic-hearts-by-edited-by-jim-butcher-and-kerrie-l-hughes/#

Actually I think Murphy mentions it to Harry, I think in Cold Days.  Mister went to live with her after Harry's "death,"  I don't have time right now to look up the exact quote, but it is mentioned that Mister isn't as young as he used to be, and I think something about the cold affecting him.. On the other hand Mister is a beloved character, so I don't know if Jim is willing to have his fans read as nature takes it's course.  However Mister isn't the only one, little Maggie is supposedly highly intelligent, could well have inherited talent from her father, is what eleven going on twelve now? If she was at least six when Changes happened, she would be, but still talks a lot like and is treated like a six year old in many ways.  True, she has suffered a lot of trauma, but that doesn't account for all of it.

Yeah, it is in Skin Game that they talk about how Mister is getting old. Harry is aware of it, at least.

“I’m . . . sort of settled now. And there’s nothing on the island big enough to take him. But it’s cold out there in the winter, and he’s getting older.”
“We’re all getting older,” Karrin said.”
Skin Game, Ch 5.

About Maggie, at the time of the Christmas Story she would have just turned 11. I dunno if it's just my experience, but I haven't met an 11 year old who would still get all starry eyed at Santa Claus. The thing with Maggie always takes me out of the story, she acts, talks, is talked about and treated like a 5-6 year old, which is weird. However at the same time she's supposed to be super smart *shrug*. Her portrayal is inconsistent. I hope that improves as we get to see more of her. I wasn't a fan of her addition to the story, but since she's here already, I hope she becomes more of a character than just a plot device.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Mira on April 10, 2022, 08:13:49 PM
You can actually read an excerpt of the story here: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/611814/heroic-hearts-by-edited-by-jim-butcher-and-kerrie-l-hughes/#

Yeah, it is in Skin Game that they talk about how Mister is getting old. Harry is aware of it, at least.

“I’m . . . sort of settled now. And there’s nothing on the island big enough to take him. But it’s cold out there in the winter, and he’s getting older.”
“We’re all getting older,” Karrin said.”
Skin Game, Ch 5.

About Maggie, at the time of the Christmas Story she would have just turned 11. I dunno if it's just my experience, but I haven't met an 11 year old who would still get all starry eyed at Santa Claus. The thing with Maggie always takes me out of the story, she acts, talks, is talked about and treated like a 5-6 year old, which is weird. However at the same time she's supposed to be super smart *shrug*. Her portrayal is inconsistent. I hope that improves as we get to see more of her. I wasn't a fan of her addition to the story, but since she's here already, I hope she becomes more of a character than just a plot device.

 Thank you, I believe there is a reference in Cold Days also, have to go back and read. 
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As to Maggie, I have written about it and totally agree with your assessment.  However we also do not know the full extent of the damage of seeing her foster family brutally murdered, then nearly getting her throat cut or heart cut out by the Red King, then seeing her mother turn into a monster, then getting her throat cut by her father did to her brain.  Remaining emotionally a six year old might be her brain's only way of protecting her sanity.  Hell, I'd remain a six year old and cling to Santa Claus as long as I could too.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: g33k on April 10, 2022, 10:04:59 PM
... About Maggie, at the time of the Christmas Story she would have just turned 11. I dunno if it's just my experience, but I haven't met an 11 year old who would still get all starry eyed at Santa Claus. The thing with Maggie always takes me out of the story, she acts, talks, is talked about and treated like a 5-6 year old, which is weird. However at the same time she's supposed to be super smart *shrug*.

To my eye, it reads like little Maggie is somewhere on the autism spectrum, or something similar; Aspergers-y.

Such people can be incredibly intelligent, but with a terrible "feel" for other people, grasp of social mores, and ability to handle same.  They often come across as emotionally-immature.

As for "Santa Claus?"  She already knows that Vampires and other monsters are real, and wizards, and faeries.  She may or may not have actually known there was a real Kringle; but once she does, of course she'd be star-struck!  Hell, I don't believe in Santa... but if I were proven wrong then I'd be star-struck too!  ;-)
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on April 11, 2022, 12:14:28 AM
Hmm read the excerpt I WANT MORE!!!! Why give us the slice when we want the whole pizza. The story is short, only 20 pages and the preview gives us the first three pages

This looks to be set a couple of weeks after the end of Battle Ground, Harry  still has his arm cast. He has refugees living in the Castle.

Toot refers to himself as a Sprite which is new. From Wikipedia.

“A sprite is a supernatural entity in European mythology. They are often depicted as fairy-like creatures or as an ethereal entity.

The word sprite is derived from the Latin spiritus ("spirit"), via the French esprit. Variations on the term include spright and the Celtic spriggan. The term is chiefly used with regard to elves and fairies in European folklore, and in modern English is rarely used in reference to spirits.”

This explains the adoption of the Latin surname Minimus, it is consistent with Spiritus.

Toot is not native to North America! I wonder is we are in for an elaborate pun on esprit de corps given the issue as regards morale among a body of Sprites ?

Toot was two and a half feet tall in Battle Ground, that was not ankle high even on Harry.

Harry appears to be giving into depression. That’s consistent with what we know about Next Book. No sign of the Gargoyles at this point, could this presage them?

Toot is referring to Mister as an old Tomcat, as above a reference to his age - he would be 17 at this  point and Toot has known Harry pre Storm Front so he has known Mister something like 15 plus years.

Oh and Maggie belief in Santa Claus? At age 11?  Really? Her Foster Sister is Elsa and her father is Gandalf. Of course she believes in Santa Claus, she may have thought Eb was him though.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Mira on April 11, 2022, 10:49:19 AM
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Harry appears to be giving into depression. That’s consistent with what we know about Next Book. No sign of the Gargoyles at this point, could this presage them?

I disagree, he isn't giving in to his depression like he did at the beginning of Summer Knight. What he is going through is normal grief, which is complicated by physical injury, stress, and exhaustion.  He also appears to be a lot more injured than he did at the end of Battle Ground, or his injuries turned out to be a lot more serious than first appeared.  That also isn't unusual given the situation, stuff turns up after the fact.  As to Harry's depression, he went into a clinical depression after Susan was half turned, left him, and he couldn't find a cure for her.  He could be flirting with that now, but at that time it was just him.  That is no longer the case, he is attempting not to fall completely into it by meditating. Oh and add PTSD into that mix as well, just witnessing Murphy's murder is bad enough, Harry has seen/suffered/done, a whole lot more than just that.  He knows now he has a family to take care of and a lot other pressing matters.  Wonder if Butters is or will attempt to give him some medication to help with that?  Or do those kinds of drugs mix with his wizard biochemistry? I see Harry turning a lot more to Michael for "bull" sessions now, he desperately needs his common sense, faith, and sanity. 

As to Mister, he is the same age as my cat, and sadly Gabby is beginning to show her age. Yeah, Toot is taller than Harry's ankle, but his English still isn't that great, what he might have meant is he protects at his ankles not that he is as tall as his ankle.. Also just because Toot has physically grown, it doesn't mean that his soldiers have.  Toot also only understands things from a sprite's perspective, not the human one.
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Harry appears to be giving into depression. That’s consistent with what we know about Next Book. No sign of the Gargoyles at this point, could this presage them?
Going back to what I said before, I disagree.  Feeling that kind of grief/depression just weeks after losing Murphy is normal.  Actually if Harry didn't feel that way it would be a danger sign that he was in total denial, that could be worse for everyone.  The fact that he is trying to meditate says he is trying to deal with all the emotions that he is feeling..  One of the stages of grief is anger, that is something that while Harry may justifiably feel it, given his power, he cannot give into it, and he is well aware of it.

Oh one more thing the kitchen seems to contain a lot of stainless steel.. Toot doesn't like it, yeah it is more sanitary than other materials, but I also wonder if Harry ordered it to keep the little guys from going in on their own and stealing pizza?
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on April 11, 2022, 04:29:01 PM
The kitchen fitting are left from Marcone, he knows Harry is the Winter Knight and may have left them deliberately, knowing that Harry would be affected to some degree. The walk in stainless steel fridge makes a lovely Fae trap. It would hamper even Mab.

If so I wonder how long Marcone mused on the regret that the toilets weren’t made from the Bane? There is no proof of this so I have nothing to go on. Unlike Harry.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Mira on April 11, 2022, 05:37:02 PM
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The kitchen fitting are left from Marcone, he knows Harry is the Winter Knight and may have left them deliberately, knowing that Harry would be affected to some degree. The walk in stainless steel fridge makes a lovely Fae trap. It would hamper even Mab.

If so I wonder how long Marcone mused on the regret that the toilets weren’t made from the Bane? There is no proof of this so I have nothing to go on. Unlike Harry.

Are we really sure of that though?  Nothing said about it in the books, and even if it was, it appears that Harry isn't having it changed to accommodate his pizza loving army.  In the over all expenses of the castle remodel job, switching out the fridge, freezer, sink and counter for another material, isn't that much, Harry doesn't need a huge kitchen.  Apparently since there is frozen pizza, Harry has figured out a way to live with a modern freezer.. Because an ice box isn't going to keep pizza frozen very long, yeah maybe since it is still winter in Chicago, but not long term.

Apparently the "bane" or stainless steel doesn't bother Harry, so bane toilet seats is kind of a moot point..
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on April 12, 2022, 09:51:53 AM
Sitting on a cold stainless steel toilet seat is something the Winter Knight would find uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Mira on April 12, 2022, 10:30:10 AM
Sitting on a cold stainless steel toilet seat is something the Winter Knight would find uncomfortable.

The cold wouldn't bother Harry, he is the Winter Knight, besides this is the guy who took cold showers for years in his little basement apartment in the dead of winter in Chicago.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: g33k on April 13, 2022, 12:57:01 PM
Sitting on a cold stainless steel toilet seat is something the Winter Knight would find uncomfortable.
The cold wouldn't bother Harry, he is the Winter Knight, besides this is the guy who took cold showers for years in his little basement apartment in the dead of winter in Chicago.

I think the iron has to actually pierce his skin.  Do that, and it disrupts the Mantle entirely.

Simple contact isn't a problem for the WK -- he is still human, after all!
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Mira on April 13, 2022, 01:28:34 PM
I think the iron has to actually pierce his skin.  Do that, and it disrupts the Mantle entirely.

Simple contact isn't a problem for the WK -- he is still human, after all!
I agree, there was also the bit at the end of Battle Ground, when Harry was picked up off of Demonreach and they almost killed him treating him for hypothermia, which because he is the Winter Knight he didn't have.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on April 13, 2022, 10:01:40 PM
I think the iron has to actually pierce his skin.  Do that, and it disrupts the Mantle entirely.

Simple contact isn't a problem for the WK -- he is still human, after all!

Cold steel is the one cold which would bother Harry. Cold air and water no.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Mira on April 14, 2022, 03:18:21 PM
Cold steel is the one cold which would bother Harry. Cold air and water no.

Well, if that be the case, leaving steel toilet seat other than being a token pain in the ass, doesn't do much.  Simply because a toilet seat is the cheapest, easiest, and a quick change... I can see Harry taking a look at that and saying, "Really Marcone? Is that the best you can do?"
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on April 14, 2022, 04:32:20 PM
Well, if that be the case, leaving steel toilet seat other than being a token pain in the ass, doesn't do much.  Simply because a toilet seat is the cheapest, easiest, and a quick change... I can see Harry taking a look at that and saying, "Really Marcone? Is that the best you can do?"

Yes it would be a crap move, but Marcone has a blindspot for pettiness where Harry is concerned, something Harry can exploit.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Mira on April 14, 2022, 08:33:40 PM
Yes it would be a crap move, but Marcone has a blindspot for pettiness where Harry is concerned, something Harry can exploit.

Which he would, I can see Harry ridiculing him in public on that very point..
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Ed0517 on April 17, 2022, 06:25:11 AM
Guys, please... arguing about the appliances? Stainless steel is a great low maintenance finish for a commercial/industrial kitchen, or look for a high end modern kitchen. Sub Zero, for example, is known for high end stainless steel appliances. 

Whereas when I see a stainless steel toilet I am thinking jail cell.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Ed0517 on April 17, 2022, 06:27:40 AM
The cold wouldn't bother Harry, he is the Winter Knight, besides this is the guy who took cold showers for years in his little basement apartment in the dead of winter in Chicago.

You know, those cold showers never made sense. You can get those little solar bags campers use to heat up at least a little water. Put it out the window with a line coming in. Thermal absorption is not high tech. Blowing out circuits can be done with an EMP, and maybe magic is similar. EMP won't do crap to the bags.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on April 17, 2022, 09:44:24 AM
Easy enough to put a solar water heater on the Castle Roof, and have it backed onto the open air pizza oven he is going to have to build, for back up heating.

Stainless steel for the toilets make sense, the former occupants were big lads with a heavy meat and mead diet
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Mira on April 17, 2022, 11:14:51 AM
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You know, those cold showers never made sense. You can get those little solar bags campers use to heat up at least a little water. Put it out the window with a line coming in. Thermal absorption is not high tech. Blowing out circuits can be done with an EMP, and maybe magic is similar. EMP won't do crap to the bags.

No, it never did, especially when an old fashioned gas water heater was basically a pilot light and a valve.  What is more the likes of Thomas and other occasional guests would use it.  Especially in Molly's apartment he had hot water. 
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on April 17, 2022, 03:01:59 PM
A lot of old gas heating systems are no longer considered ‘safe’ because of carbon monoxide build up or risk of explosion, so you can’t get them fitted anymore.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Mira on April 17, 2022, 08:14:15 PM
A lot of old gas heating systems are no longer considered ‘safe’ because of carbon monoxide build up or risk of explosion, so you can’t get them fitted anymore.

Perhaps, but didn't Harry have a gas cook stove?  I don't think it was a wood burning stove.  Also while you may not be able to get a new old fashioned water heater, but as long as the old one functioned, you could keep on using it.  So unless Harry's landlord decided to replace all the old water heaters in the building, it wasn't a problem.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on April 17, 2022, 09:00:52 PM
I believe he had a wood burning stove, Thomas ineptitude with it was only surpassed by Molly.

Saying that it’s old tech to have a back boiler running off such a stove.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Ed0517 on April 18, 2022, 08:11:40 PM
I think Harry's old stove was wood, I think he mentioned the pixies bringing in wood for it too. Now, I think, he can do better, maybe have electricity. You could put most of the switching etc. in a tempest shielded area, and I would expect Marcone, considering his guests/allies, has done this. It will cost money, but Marcone had it, Harry did not . They developed this stuff to stop electromagnetic signals from getting out where they could be eavesdropped on, in even more paranoiac times, for Harry, it should stop his Murphyonic field from blowing stuff out.    Might even allow a PC for Bob, in a shielded room.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Mira on April 18, 2022, 08:31:05 PM


I know he mostly heated his apartment with a fireplace, but I don't remember a wood cook stove.. Harry never did much in the way of cooking.  I know he had a real "ice" box, but he didn't really need that either.  When I was in the Peace Corps years ago in Liberia, we used fridges that ran on kerosene, they worked fine and were safe.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: vincentric on April 20, 2022, 04:01:39 PM
Harry's primary need here is money.

Molly's apartment has no issues with her(pre-Winter Lady) or Harry as guest post Skin Game. The Svartalves can build a modern lighting and heating system into the castle that won't be hexed accidentally from the inside and probably be immune to outside hexing.

It just takes money. The only other thing preventing it would be them knowing about Thomas and if that was the case they would have been more hostile at the end of Peace Talks.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on April 20, 2022, 05:19:18 PM
I am sure Lara can take the diamonds off Harry’s hands at a very reasonable price for Harry, although it will cost him one for the engagement ring. Which he will resent immensely.

He won’t therefore be cash poor, but unless he brings in materials via the Never Never the reconstruction is going to divert resources away from Harry no matter how much cash he has.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Mira on April 20, 2022, 05:40:14 PM
I am sure Lara can take the diamonds off Harry’s hands at a very reasonable price for Harry, although it will cost him one for the engagement ring. Which he will resent immensely.

He won’t therefore be cash poor, but unless he brings in materials via the Never Never the reconstruction is going to divert resources away from Harry no matter how much cash he has.

Mab thinks she has Harry by the short hairs, because of Murphy and Thomas he is vulnerable emotionally.. Actually Lara is also because of Thomas, I can see both of them coming to the same conclusion and turning on Mab, she won't like that.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: g33k on April 21, 2022, 08:19:00 PM
Harry's primary need here is money.

Molly's apartment has no issues with her(pre-Winter Lady) or Harry as guest post Skin Game. The Svartalves can build a modern lighting and heating system into the castle that won't be hexed accidentally from the inside and probably be immune to outside hexing.

It just takes money. The only other thing preventing it would be them knowing about Thomas and if that was the case they would have been more hostile at the end of Peace Talks.

As of Skin Game & the box full of diamonds, Harry no longer has any real issue with money; he has, IIRC, something approximating a shoebox full of diamond, probabty 5-10 lbs (they're rocks, heavy).

They're probably worth about US$100million on the open market.  I doubt Harry can "openly" sell them to get "fair market value" but... the days of him having long-term worries about getting custom crafted "stuff" are over.

He just needs enough time to do it all; that's his new challenge.  He's still learning about the history of Demonreach & the runes / magic of the Well there (and now his castle!); about being Starborn & "stars & stones" &c; about the artifacts from Hades, about the Eye of Balor, etc.  So many opportunities, so many powers, but the challenges are coming fast&furious, too!  Who's got time to deal with lighting-contractors??!?
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on April 22, 2022, 01:26:23 AM
Lara can purchase them for cash at a reasonable rate all in one go and as they are matched in size, perfect for gifts for her sisters, or to be made up into a tiara for the Queen of the White Court, for her wedding, to go with the engagement ring. The tiara will of course double as a weapon.

I am thinking platinum settings rather than silver. Very on brand for the White Court

Michael will be dealing with contractors BUT a large section of Chicago was destroyed manpower and resources will be in short supply, even with sufficient funds.

There is also the question of a dowry, the White Court is old fashioned. Harry really doesn’t need cash, but the Raith’s have a rather significant magical library. Lara can scan it in and give the hard copy books to Harry as a dowry, she loses nothing but Harry gains a major magical resource he would actually appreciate and need. It probably contains the worlds largest collection of books on sex magic, so Bob will be more than happy to catalogue them for Harry.

Harry is Mab’s retainer and marrying per her instruction, Mab therefore needs to settle on Harry sufficient largesse upon which to maintain his new household including arms men (the Sprites). Harry owns the only land he is interested in already, and coin he already has. Now in Battle Ground the Za Lords guards armour bore the Pizza S’press logo, Mab couldn’t use another’s sigil (it would be a falsehood) unless she has the right to use it. Ergo she owns Pizza S’Press by the time of Battle Ground (probably Molly’s doing) it would make sense for he to settle her ownership on Harry (note in The Good People they are called the Royal Guard) so her vassal can properly provide for his armsmen. Harry would truly be the Za-Lord, it becoming a formal title. We know from the published three pages of the Toot story there is a pizza supply problem. Is this the solution? Okay



Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: g33k on April 23, 2022, 01:02:41 AM
Lara can purchase them for cash at a reasonable rate all in one go and as they are matched in size, perfect for gifts for her sisters, or to be made up into a tiara for the Queen of the White Court, for her wedding, to go with the engagement ring.

Princess.
Princess of the White Court (possibly "Crown Princess") under the White King, of course.

One must observe the proprieties, after all!
;-)

I'm sure Lara could muster the cash reasonably quickly... but I doubt she's actually liquid for $100M on a same-day transaction.  But honestly, I doubt Harry needs or wants that.

In fact, I doubt he'd want to sell more than a few at a time, ever.  Of course, it depends on what Jim wants Harry to want...


... There is also the question of a dowry, the White Court is old fashioned. Harry really doesn’t need cash, but the Raith’s have a rather significant magical library. Lara can scan it in and give the hard copy books to Harry as a dowry, she loses nothing but Harry gains a major magical resource he would actually appreciate and need. It probably contains the worlds largest collection of books on sex magic, so Bob will be more than happy to catalogue them for Harry. 
I honestly doubt that the Raith library has much (if any) info not already known to Bob!

OTOH, there may be some "interesting" illo's...
}:-D>
So, yeah:  I'm sure Bob would be happy to help!

And I think Harry likes to read -- to work with books & scrolls & such, to jot down notes & generally be "old fashioned" about such things -- so such a collection would likely be quite welcome.

It may be too big a project, though:  I doubt she'd trust the info to the average flunky to scan.  How would she cover security for the project?  I'm sure she realizes how much Harry would object to the traditional solution of "kill the craftsman to keep the secret", so...  Also:  I'm not sure how much she'd trust Harry with that much extra power!

But also:  I expect there's a LOT of interesting items in the Raith treasury (recall the personal-ward armbands used (and destroyed) in the Raith Deeps; I presume they have other items, too).  Lara could give Harry a flashy toy, something he'd like, and would uphold Raith honor in the matter (but wasn't quite so "weaponizable" as a vast magical library in the hands of an already-powerful wizard).

But, really... I am not at all clear that Lara is even in Harry's weight-class any more:

As "just" a wizard, he could defeat her; he knows enough about Whamps & Whampery, and he's STRONG (and stubborn).  As Winter Knight, he seems to be a match for her physically, both in straight-up fighting terms (he probably beats her, in fact) and in sexual terms (from the Raith Deeps, we saw Whampery ran to making the victims lean toward urgent sexuality & to submissiveness; but the Mantle probably entirely counters the "submissive" side of things -- Lara does not want to be corps-a-corps with the Winter Knight when he decides she's dangerous!).
 
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on April 23, 2022, 05:50:46 AM
The Raith Library would also contain info on the origin of Whamps, Lara would have an ulterior motive in giving it to Harry, to cure Thomas. Bob can scan through the library far quicker than Harry can read, creating an index as he is going along.The additional knowledge will make him more powerful, as it would Harry. Harry doesn’t have access to the White Council library, but the Raith Library likely has more on Whamps and sex than the White Council. Bob is not known to anyone but Butters and the Alphas, and Cowl so Harry can weaponise such a library MUCH faster than anyone considers. Bob really needs to start embodying, he should be able to make a body out of ectoplasm, surrounding his sanctum, giving Butters a nerdy younger brother. He could become HEAD LIBRARIAN.

You just have dyslexics physically scan the books in to safeguard against the contents getting into the wrong hands (that’s a reason in universe for dyslexia, it creates a small population able to handle and guard magical books without succumbing to their contents, a sort of anti-Archive) actually given the Venators that really makes sense and Lara is a Venator. Dyslexic Librarian is not an oxymoron in the Dresdenverse.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Ed0517 on April 23, 2022, 08:26:15 AM
I don't know if Harry can beat Lara physically - Thomas bent dumbbells at Marcone's "health club". Lara might not be QUITE as strong, but that is way past human. Plus she's fester than he is, look at her in the Deeps.  Yes, he said once they were running on Demonreach and he led... but she was fllowing his lead... she didn't know exactly where he was going. When it came time to trip the trap - she passed him.

As far as scans... get someone who does not know whatever language they are in. They don't have to be illiterate. I can read and write English. Give me a chinese book, I don't know if it is on magic, nuclear physics, or a cookbook.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on April 23, 2022, 10:29:41 AM
Dyslexic not illiterate, makes it difficult for the books to read you.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Mira on April 23, 2022, 10:54:51 AM
I don't know if Harry can beat Lara physically - Thomas bent dumbbells at Marcone's "health club". Lara might not be QUITE as strong, but that is way past human. Plus she's fester than he is, look at her in the Deeps.  Yes, he said once they were running on Demonreach and he led... but she was fllowing his lead... she didn't know exactly where he was going. When it came time to trip the trap - she passed him.

As far as scans... get someone who does not know whatever language they are in. They don't have to be illiterate. I can read and write English. Give me a chinese book, I don't know if it is on magic, nuclear physics, or a cookbook.

If he gets her on Demonreach again, he can beat her with Alfred's help.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on April 23, 2022, 03:04:21 PM
If he gets her on Demonreach again, he can beat her with Alfred's help.

This is Lara, she probably would appreciate a nice beating, in the right circumstances.

Alfred would be aghast, the last time he had sex it was with a glacier and it left him with a permanent limp……
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Ed0517 on April 24, 2022, 10:41:13 PM
If he gets her on Demonreach again, he can beat her with Alfred's help.

He's using magic then. Using magic in Chicago he beats her, as with Fix, on Demonreach it isn't even a fight
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Ed0517 on April 24, 2022, 10:44:25 PM
This is Lara, she probably would appreciate a nice beating, in the right circumstances.


I think Lara is more the kind who ADMINISTERS the beating...

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Alfred would be aghast, the last time he had sex it was with a glacier and it left him with a permanent limp……

Yeah, she was a frigid bitch.... he's glad she's gone
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: g33k on April 25, 2022, 12:19:34 AM
  You just have dyslexics physically scan the books in to safeguard against the contents getting into the wrong hands (that’s a reason in universe for dyslexia, it creates a small population able to handle and guard magical books without succumbing to their contents, a sort of anti-Archive) actually given the Venators that really makes sense and Lara is a Venator. Dyslexic Librarian is not an oxymoron in the Dresdenverse. 

Dyslexics are still literate, and can read/understand the contents.

But your point is well-taken, and the obvious solution is just to have a cadre of techs who scan mutually-unintelligible works.  The gal who is fluent in English scans texts in Arabic & Hebrew; the Aramaic scholar scans texts in various Chinese languages; etc etc etc.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on April 25, 2022, 04:05:54 AM
Dyslexics are still literate, and can read/understand the contents.

But your point is well-taken, and the obvious solution is just to have a cadre of techs who scan mutually-unintelligible works.  The gal who is fluent in English scans texts in Arabic & Hebrew; the Aramaic scholar scans texts in various Chinese languages; etc etc etc.

Yes, but their dyslexia would prevent casual aquisition of the contents whilst undertaking the work, a firewall against books too smart for their own good trying to reconfigure into a form that they can read, even as picture books for the illiterate. Too much Pratchett.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: g33k on April 26, 2022, 08:06:25 PM
This is Lara, she probably would appreciate a nice beating, in the right circumstances.

I doubt it, honestly.

I don't think (most) whamps are indiscriminately-kinky, though I expect
 A) there are similar ranges of tastes/preferences (straight/gay/bi, bdsm, etc) among whamps as among normal humans;
 B) most of the more-senior / more-powerful are at least ... "proficient" I guess? ... in virtually all modes of sexuality (and use their powers to cover any gaps)

We've never, that I recall, seen Lara imply submissiveness, nor masochism.  I don't doubt she could "go with the flow" (and Feed) if playing sub to a dominant lover, etc.
Title: Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on May 03, 2022, 10:17:56 PM
Lara would be in control all the time even as the supposed sub.

It’s why she wants Harry and Marcone, she can’t control either.