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DF Spoilers / Re: What is Lara's problem? [PT Spoilers!]
« on: July 23, 2020, 04:07:10 AM »
It depends what we are saying with "out of juice". Particularly I did not mean "she is starving" but "she has the munchies. She wants food right now".
I don't think she was starving, but typically when someone is out of juice, they're exhausted and not capable of fighting/playing/continuing.  Which strikes me as odd given her presumed power level as White Queen. 

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DF Spoilers / Re: What is Lara's problem? [PT Spoilers!]
« on: July 23, 2020, 03:32:41 AM »
You might not want it to be the case, but

"It took her a moment to speak. Her voice came out furry and delicious. “I’m giving him the energy I took earlier. It’s . . . slowing down the damage his Hunger is inflicting. But it’s very bad. And I’m almost . . .” She licked her lips. The sight of it made me want to rip off my shirt and start boasting of my many manly deeds. “. . . empty.” She made the word sound like a sin. “I’ll need to feed if I’m to give him more.” "
Peace Talks page 319.

At least she's says herself that she is almost empty and I don't think she is lying.
Sure sure, I'm not doubting that she said it, or even that she's being honest.

But she shouldn't be, right?  I mean, we have reason to believe that she's being around for a couple centuries.  She's the head of the Wamps, and after years leading them, and feeding whenever and however she wants, she should be closer to Lord Raith's power levels than Thomas's.

But she's tapped after an hour of feeding Thomas after numerous meals within the day?  She's been using her hunger to beat down Lord Raith's demon, to the point that he's apparently a puppy.  And she's presumably been feeding him enough to keep him alive for the sake of the charade.

So to me she's either lying and is actually as powerful as she should be, or she's not and she's inexplicably weak.

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DF Spoilers / Re: What is Lara's problem? [PT Spoilers!]
« on: July 22, 2020, 10:27:58 PM »
I don't see why Lara would have been out of juice.  Sure, she was feeding Thomas for an hour, but she's the new equivalent of Lord Raith, who went twenty some years unable to top the tank off but could still use power when needed.  Lara just had an orgy the night before and a snack at the Talks.  She knows she's going to be in a fight later that night (assuming she heard about the Ethniu thing from Harry five minutes after he woke up on the boat.

So her giving all her power to Thomas seems off. Thomas being weak because he hasn't been feeding works.  Lara being weak doesn't.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ramirez [Spoiler/WAG]
« on: July 22, 2020, 10:21:47 PM »
Geez! Hope is a minor! (frankly, the moment about Harry commenting on her looks were very creepy, even when I love Harry)
At what point do we start worrying about a 39/40 year old man mentally noting a 14/15 year old girl's "uncommonly generous" adolescence?  :o

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DF Spoilers / Re: Why Conjouritis, Why??
« on: July 21, 2020, 08:11:52 PM »
Yeah, the Maggie thing works.  She's got talent, and got conjouritis at the right age and talent level.  She made the pan.

And Harry got it too, just like a parent getting chickenpox as an adult when they didn't get it as a kid, because their kid brought it home.

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The confrontation starts with Marcone having to be talked into saving the kid, because by rights the kid belongs to the Fomor. He didn't seem too broken up about the prospect of giving Justine and the child back to the Fomor until Justine pours on the extra guilt.

And you're missing the point -- he didn't consider killing Justine as retaliation for her manipulation.

He considered killing Justine because she knew too much; not because she wronged him, but because murdering her might make murdering someone else easier.
I think you're overestimating the line that he "debated" it.  He was never really going to do it due to the circumstances of the situation, specifically due to the fact that she was there under the Accords.  He had every reason to believe, by the end of their conversation, that Justine (and Lara) went to him intentionally.  There was every reason to believe that Justine was setting him up and using him as a cat's paw for the Wamp mission. So he couldn't just kill her after claiming Accords protection if there was even a chance Lara knew she was going there.

Now, if this is all to argue the point that someone who is capable of weighing the pros and cons of murdering someone in cold blood isn't compatible with using a Sword of the Cross, then sure.  We're both in agreement.  But I think the Sword is capable of picking up on intentions in the moment, and the person's worthiness in the moment, and allowing them to wield it in the moment.  I don't think Susan managed to work against the Ramps and their loyal followers without killing some humans via conventional means.  I don't think she'd pass the litmus test of Worthy of the Sword on a regular day.  But on one day she did, because of her goals and intentions.  I think the same could possibly be true for Marcone.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
« on: July 21, 2020, 08:00:58 PM »
Harry mentions Listen. Didn't Listen die in Bombshells?
Nope, he was captured.  Last we saw he was walking out with his hands tied behind his back.  Probably turned back over to the Fomor for money or something.

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DF Spoilers / Re: why little or no ivy
« on: July 21, 2020, 07:56:52 PM »
Don't forget that Peace Talks is basically half a story.

You wouldn't stop half-way through Proven Guilty and gripe that Molly hasn't gotten enough screentime, would you?
Honestly?  We would have if it'd been split into two books.  :P

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DF Spoilers / Re: Spoilers: Peace Talks: Cubs Curse
« on: July 21, 2020, 07:54:33 PM »
I do appreciate that timeline-wise, these PT/BG events occurred in either 2014 or 2015, and the Cubs then won in 2016. 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Battle Ground Resources [Peace Talks Spoilers]
« on: July 21, 2020, 12:20:36 AM »
Added the Alphas to Team Chicago, since two (Andi, Marci) might ride with the Knights

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DF Spoilers / Re: why little or no ivy
« on: July 21, 2020, 12:19:04 AM »
I agree, it was far more important that we establish that Butter's is a Super Badass Harem Protagonist™ then have any scenes where Harry actually interacts with the various characters at the Peace Talks, that was central to the Narrative and could in no way be cut.
Well there were a lot of theories about Marci, so keeping her presence in our awareness might be relevant.  And if she suits up in BG, it might be relevant, if only because some of the other Alphas have been decreasing in presence due to kids and whatnot.

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DF Spoilers / Re: why little or no ivy
« on: July 20, 2020, 10:09:08 PM »
I could see Ivy being instrumental in defending the base of the allied accords group.  She'll probably sit on the roof and help defend and coordinate.  Everyone else has angles and agendas, but she's neutral, and will be important in establishing trust amongst reluctant allies.

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But he has a code.  He doesn't let anyone kill kids, or sell them drugs, or abuse them.  The first section of the short story was all about him killing people that had been giving kids drugs and then prostituting them. 

It's like the bad guys in Die Hard With A Vengeance.  Their entire threat revolves around putting a massive explosive in a city school. But when one of the henchmen tries to leave a smaller explosive on the street, another says he can't leave it, because what if a kid finds it. It clues the viewer into the fact that the school threat is a ruse long before the reveal.

Marcone wouldn't have hurt the child. And he likely wouldn't have killed Justine either. But he considered it, and rightly so. Gender and beauty aside, someone had just used and manipulated him, resulting in his own arm being broken, his people being injured, his resources being spent, and his defenses being revealed. If Justine had been some guy, we wouldn't think twice about Marcone making them pay for what they did.

If anything, Marcone comes across as cold but fair, and Justine comes across as a cold manipulative liar. 

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DF Spoilers / Re: why little or no ivy
« on: July 20, 2020, 03:09:31 AM »
Not a rumor anymore.
Yeah, see?  Way too much baggage to drop suddenly as an aside.  The only thing that would work would be her being angry with Harry and him not finding out why.

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I seriously, strenuously doubt that Amorrachius is going to go to someone who just barely didn't shoot Justine and an innocent child in the head only because it would mean having to fight and kill Dresden immediately instead of down the road.

Seriously, I don't know how anyone can read Even Hand and entertain the possibility that Marcone is anywhere near material for a Knight of the Cross.
I think you're exaggerating the circumstances in Even Hand.  He didn't just barely not kill them. He had no intention of killing the child at all. If you remember anything about him, you should remember that kids are safe. As for Justine, she was a spy that cost him valuable resources and who's actions injured his people, to use him as a cat's paw.  Is it really so outlandish for someone to consider such things against a potential enemy that abused his own sensitivities?

But despite all that, he said he debated it, and then decided against it.  There was never a rational reason for him to do it, so he wouldn't have. That's the one thing you can count on for Marcone.  He won't do something without a profit.

As for the sword, it seems highly unlikely that he'd even be worthy. But it might be interesting to see him touch it while thinking about protecting his city, which he will likely defend as passionately and he does any of his people. Which is to say not passionately, but with cold determination.

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