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Title: Errors, Inconsistencies, and Oddities
Post by: didymos on April 08, 2020, 06:57:29 AM
INTRODUCTION and PART I
PART II (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53393.msg2326795.html#msg2326795)
PART III (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53393.msg2326796.html#msg2326796)
PART IV (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53393.msg2326797.html#msg2326797)
PART V (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53393.msg2326798.html#msg2326798)

INTRODUCTION

This post (or rather, series of posts, but I'll get to that) is an attempt to compile every inconsistency and error in the Dresden Files. I say "attempt" because I know I inevitably missed one thing or another. Such is life.  As to oddities, those are things that aren't errors or inconsitencies per se, just...odd.  It should be pretty obvious what items they are.

Fair warning: things get real nitpicky, as the goal was completeness. No matter how trivial the error/inconsistency, I included it. Spelling errors, typos, you name it, it's in here (a note: I worked from the Kindle versions, and I'm aware some of these things may be unique to them. Still count. Don't worry: there aren't that many). That also means I included things everyone already knows about, because, again, completeness.  I'm aware as well that not everyone is going to agree with every item I've included. Thems the breaks, I guess.  I had to call 'em like I saw 'em.

As to what I covered: the books and short stories (except the most recent, Monsters). I didn't do the comics or RPG.  For the former, I don't have all of them, and besides, they're not as convenient to work with as the ebooks. For the latter, I don't own any of the game books, and I don't know how canon they are anyway. With respect to order, I did things roughly in publication sequence, and that includes first publication date for the short stories. I say "roughly" because I skipped backwards or forwards when I found it convenient or natural to do so.

And now a word on format.  I chose to do this as sequential posts within a single topic, rather than spam the board with a bunch of new topics in quick succession. As you might guess from that, the whole thing is rather long. Like really, really long.  What can I say? There was a lot to cover, and a lot to quote. Prepare your scroll wheels and Page Down keys.

PART I

Title: Re: Errors, Inconsistencies, and Oddities
Post by: didymos on April 08, 2020, 06:59:58 AM
INTRODUCTION and PART I (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53393.msg2326794.html#msg2326794)
PART II
PART III (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53393.msg2326796.html#msg2326796)
PART IV (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53393.msg2326797.html#msg2326797)
PART V (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53393.msg2326798.html#msg2326798)

PART II

Title: Re: Errors, Inconsistencies, and Oddities
Post by: didymos on April 08, 2020, 07:02:46 AM
INTRODUCTION and PART I (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53393.msg2326794.html#msg2326794)
PART II (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53393.msg2326795.html#msg2326795)
PART III
PART IV (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53393.msg2326797.html#msg2326797)
PART V (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53393.msg2326798.html#msg2326798)

PART III

Title: Re: Errors, Inconsistencies, and Oddities
Post by: didymos on April 08, 2020, 07:05:07 AM
INTRODUCTION and PART I (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53393.msg2326794.html#msg2326794)
PART II (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53393.msg2326795.html#msg2326795)
PART III (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53393.msg2326796.html#msg2326796)
PART IV
PART V (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53393.msg2326798.html#msg2326798)

PART IV

Title: Re: Errors, Inconsistencies, and Oddities
Post by: didymos on April 08, 2020, 07:08:05 AM
INTRODUCTION and PART I (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53393.msg2326794.html#msg2326794)
PART II (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53393.msg2326795.html#msg2326795)
PART III (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53393.msg2326796.html#msg2326796)
PART IV (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53393.msg2326797.html#msg2326797)
PART V

PART V

   

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Title: Re: Errors, Inconsistencies, and Oddities
Post by: Yuillegan on April 08, 2020, 11:43:08 AM
I will respond more tomorrow, as I don't have a lot of time now but I just wanted to say this is incredible.

A tad insane, but also amazing. Well done!

I am someone who truly appreciates this, and while errors/inconsistencies don't always ruin my enjoyment of a series I love when someone pays attention this much.

Seriously, congratulations on such a big effort. More discussion to follow  :)

Title: Re: Errors, Inconsistencies, and Oddities
Post by: Mira on April 08, 2020, 02:52:42 PM


   Great job, inconsistencies to bother me in a series.   The one that troubled me is the differences between Summer Knight flash backs and Ghost Story flashbacks as to what really happened when Harry came home early from school to be with Elaine and found what he found, and what happened. 
Title: Re: Errors, Inconsistencies, and Oddities
Post by: BrainFireBob on April 08, 2020, 06:26:15 PM

   Great job, inconsistencies to bother me in a series.   The one that troubled me is the differences between Summer Knight flash backs and Ghost Story flashbacks as to what really happened when Harry came home early from school to be with Elaine and found what he found, and what happened.

I don't think this is an inconsistency. I think someone messed with Harry's memories
Title: Re: Errors, Inconsistencies, and Oddities
Post by: Mira on April 08, 2020, 07:02:40 PM
I don't think this is an inconsistency. I think someone messed with Harry's memories

  It can be seen that way,  however there is the issue of the "knot" Elaine used to tie Harry up with when he got away from Justin.. She used it again at the end of Summer Knight to fool Aurora so Harry could escape and Elaine confirmed that.. But in Ghost Story, if I remember correctly, Harry wasn't tied up at all, just told to put on the straight jacket, and he rabbited out of there.
Title: Re: Errors, Inconsistencies, and Oddities
Post by: Bad Alias on April 08, 2020, 09:15:37 PM
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Up to this point, he's never mentioned the White Council to Murphy and she doesn't go "White Council? What's that, Harry?" or anything like that
I've always figured that she did some looking. Maybe she figured most of it out from Billy who seems to know way too much in Summer Knight. It would explain her attitude change toward Harry.

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You can't do that.  There's a waiting period before you can retest.
I imagine it's different in every state. For example: "WHAT HAPPENS IF I FAIL MY KS DRIVING EXAM?
If you fail the KS Driving Exam, you will not receive your KS Driver's License. You will be able to retake the test as early as the next business day." What state was Harry in? I've always assumed it was in the midwest. Also, we'd need to figure out what the law was in the 70's.

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Somehow, they're able to recover the sheath later on. Hopefully it fell off the train, otherwise that sucker was gone.
Harry's shtick is finding lost items.

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I’m not a truly advanced student, but I’ve practiced every day since I was seventeen.
She could have been once a week and taken summers off or whatever before she was 17.
Title: Re: Errors, Inconsistencies, and Oddities
Post by: Bad Alias on April 08, 2020, 10:57:18 PM
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Either Jim glitched a bit, or they had multiple minivans.
I could see them having multiple minivans. Why trade one in when you're going to have a bunch of drivers pretty soon?

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"Temporal" refers to worldly things.
I see that misuse often.

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Harry never says a thing about tapping a ley line in Dead Beat.
That's because he created it. It had something to do with him not putting Sue back.
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"I Was going to put the dinosaur back," I said. "But I was unconscious."

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The casualty count goes up in Changes
I guess an additional ten succumbed to their injuries?

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So why does Collin not just say "Yes. Fallen angel."?  Because that's exactly what we learn happened later in the book. The little lie here makes no sense, given how much he's already telling Harry about the circumstances involved.
This could mean that the opposition is broader than just fallen angels. This seems to be the case in Fool Moon, but seems to be dropped after that.

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The only job Harry has done that has been mentioned is The Warrior
It could also be argued that he did a job or three in The Warrior.

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Here we see "Sith" is pronounced Star Wars-style.  That's not actually how it's supposed to be pronounced. It's the same as "Sidhe" (but then you lose the joke, I suppose).
Sidhe is Irish, and Sith is Scottish, IIRC. Jim's said he doesn't know how a lot of words are pronounced because he's only ever read them. I think that's pretty common.

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It was actually just one vampire, Kelly Hamilton
This is probably a reference to when he was dogpiled in Chapter 31. One can search for "like a dog shakes off water" to find the paragraph.

That's all my specific comments. Generally, I'd say early in the series errors and inconsistencies should just be ignored as EIW. Jim hadn't really solidified his rules.

And finally, this is great. I can't imagine how much time, sheer brainpower, or some combination of both this took. Impressive.
Title: Re: Errors, Inconsistencies, and Oddities
Post by: didymos on April 08, 2020, 11:21:30 PM
I imagine it's different in every state. For example: "WHAT HAPPENS IF I FAIL MY KS DRIVING EXAM?
If you fail the KS Driving Exam, you will not receive your KS Driver's License. You will be able to retake the test as early as the next business day." What state was Harry in? I've always assumed it was in the midwest. Also, we'd need to figure out what the law was in the 70's.

It would have been the 80s or even early 90s depending on when exactly Harry was born, but that's a good point. I hadn't considered the state he was in.
Title: Re: Errors, Inconsistencies, and Oddities
Post by: Bad Alias on April 09, 2020, 12:21:10 AM
Yeah, Sinistar was released in 1983, so it can't be much earlier than that.
Title: Re: Errors, Inconsistencies, and Oddities
Post by: Snark Knight on April 10, 2020, 08:24:34 PM
Some examples in here might indicate timeline shenanigans. I don't suppose there's any sort of Coles Notes version that filters out the obvious minor typos?
Title: Re: Errors, Inconsistencies, and Oddities
Post by: g33k on April 11, 2020, 09:44:51 AM
  • In Ghost Story, while in Mort's kitchen, Harry learns the hard way not to go plunging through walls and doors in Mort's place:
    ...
    A short while later, he does exactly that with no problem:
  • Knight Rider was no longer airing at the time of this memory, which was when Harry was about thirteen.
  • One wonders why goblins, who are under the Erlking's rule, are fighting at the Outer Gates with Winter. Maybe he's civic-minded?
   

Pretty sure it's just the one room that is blocked off, inside Morty's (and the threshold around it all, of course).  Most of the internal walls are passable, but he had made one room where he could get away from the spirits' nagging, if he needed to.

Knight Rider could have been in re-runs.

Goblins LOVE a good fight.
And the Erlking probably wants a good idea of what's coming -- all the heavyweights seem to have at least a solid hunch.
And IIRC Mab's forces come from all of Faerie, not just winter... there are Summer sidhe at the Gate!
Title: Re: Errors, Inconsistencies, and Oddities
Post by: Mogley123 on April 11, 2020, 01:43:57 PM
What I find interesting when people talk about inconsistencies is they never mentioned Bob how and one book when Harry was asking him about the winter night he said he was a part of Summer and you didn't know about winter when asked about the billy goat gruff. he said he was Winter and didn't know about summer
Title: Re: Errors, Inconsistencies, and Oddities
Post by: didymos on April 12, 2020, 02:35:42 AM
What I find interesting when people talk about inconsistencies is they never mentioned Bob how and one book when Harry was asking him about the winter night he said he was a part of Summer and you didn't know about winter when asked about the billy goat gruff. he said he was Winter and didn't know about summer

No, that's not what happened.  Here's what Bob said in Summer Knight:

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I turned to the folder Mab had given me and went through the newspaper clippings inside. “Any idea who the Winter Knight is?”
“Nope. Sorry,” Bob said. “My contacts on the Winter side are kinda sketchy.”

Butcher, Jim. Summer Knight (The Dresden Files, Book 4) (p. 136). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.

In Small Favor, he says this:

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“My knowledge of the faerie realms is mostly limited to the Winter end of things,” Bob said. “These guys don’t sound like anything I’ve run into.”

Butcher, Jim. Small Favor (The Dresden Files, Book 10) (p. 13). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.

There's not really a contradiction here.  Most of his knowledge is of Winter, but his current contacts with them aren't as good.  They're really two different things.