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Title: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
Post by: b4utoo on November 17, 2021, 05:44:06 AM
How do you think 7 easier McCoy is going to react when he finds out that Mab hemp is grandson out to the White Court. You already seen how that turned out when he found out that the White Court boned his daughter. Having another grandson be damned. Can you see Ebenezer and the blackstaff going against Mab. Can the blackstaff withstand her hurt her before Harry intervenes...
Title: Re: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
Post by: Con on November 17, 2021, 07:24:35 AM
Haha I'd honestly never considered Ebenezars reaction to having A White Court daughter in law. That and Thomas's Brother and Sister are going to be married. That's some Porn Plot/CW level stuff.
Title: Re: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
Post by: SerScot on November 17, 2021, 01:22:28 PM
Haha I'd honestly never considered Ebenezars reaction to having A White Court daughter in law. That and Thomas's Brother and Sister are going to be married. That's some Porn Plot/CW level stuff.

Harry and Lara have no blood relation.  They share a mutual sibling but no mutual parents there is absolutely no incest in Harry and Lara getting married.  I find it more problematic in that it is like Lara marrying a steer she might slaughter and eat later.
Title: Re: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
Post by: Mira on November 17, 2021, 04:09:34 PM
Harry and Lara have no blood relation.  They share a mutual sibling but no mutual parents there is absolutely no incest in Harry and Lara getting married.  I find it more problematic in that it is like Lara marrying a steer she might slaughter and eat later.

Plus if it was true love between Harry and Murphy, she will get burned every time she touches him.  That's how it worked when they kissed back in White Night even though it had been three or four years since he had been with Susan.  Now Susan was alive at that point and Murphy is dead, so that might make a difference.. 
Title: Re: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
Post by: bigdangmoose on November 17, 2021, 04:53:26 PM
Plus if it was true love between Harry and Murphy, she will get burned every time she touches him.  That's how it worked when they kissed back in White Night even though it had been three or four years since he had been with Susan.  Now Susan was alive at that point and Murphy is dead, so that might make a difference..

Now THAT is an interesting thought. Mira, I know that you have brought up the point that we have seen true love protection work while both are alive. It took till now for me see this angle if being alive is a prerequisite for the protection to continue.

If both need to continue living, did Odin take Murphy to help the protection continue? I assume she is already brought back and is training back at Monoc.
Title: Re: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
Post by: vincentric on November 17, 2021, 05:30:43 PM
Haha I'd honestly never considered Ebenezars reaction to having A White Court daughter in law. That and Thomas's Brother and Sister are going to be married. That's some Porn Plot/CW level stuff.

Eb's will reaction will be a huge loss of temper but can he responsibly act on it?

I don't think we'll see him kill Harry(again) because he was pretty broken up about it in PT. If he goes after Lara or Mab, well he could probably kill Lara but that starts another war with the White Court, this time with Harry and the Accorded Nations all against the White Council. He could hurt Mab but unless the Blackstaff works like the Spear on Fae creatures, she'd just come back and we know how that rematch will end.

Plus those deaths would really put reality behind the 8-ball. No Lara would put Papa Raith or some other White Court noble in charge. No Mab and the resulting turmoil in Winter might just kick off the BAT early. Eb might have let his emotions get the better of him in PT, but I believe he'd think thru his actions and their consequences. These wouldn't be spur of the moment attacks.

 


Plus if it was true love between Harry and Murphy, she will get burned every time she touches him.  That's how it worked when they kissed back in White Night even though it had been three or four years since he had been with Susan.  Now Susan was alive at that point and Murphy is dead, so that might make a difference.. 

That protection cannot stand up to any effort to break it. Mab and Lara can arrange for any number of liaisons for Harry to remove it and Mab could actually order him to with Harry having no choice but to obey or rebel. The only women he could renew it with are Molly(Harry's in denial here) and possibly Elaine.

The fun part for me would be if after the majority of Next Book, Harry and Lara find themselves in the Thomas/Justine situation of being in love and burning each other. That would cause more complications in both their lives.
Title: Re: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
Post by: Mira on November 17, 2021, 06:08:27 PM
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If both need to continue living, did Odin take Murphy to help the protection continue? I assume she is already brought back and is training back at Monoc.

No, because that would have her brought back while living people still remember her.  That rule cannot be broken, even by Odin.
Title: Re: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
Post by: bigdangmoose on November 17, 2021, 06:29:11 PM
No, because that would have her brought back while living people still remember her.  That rule cannot be broken, even by Odin.

See, I took that as they can't return to the mortal world until everyone that knows her dies. And to me Monoc is in the NN. So that's why I had the thought that she may already be alive.

But hey, if she's still dead, she's still dead. Fine with me.
Title: Re: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
Post by: b4utoo on November 18, 2021, 01:48:06 AM
Harry will need a body condom lol or some 5000 SPF loveblock on her :)
Title: Re: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
Post by: Arjan on November 18, 2021, 02:50:33 AM
No, because that would have her brought back while living people still remember her.  That rule cannot be broken, even by Odin.
The protection is still there. Lara knew Murphy was dead but she still took care not to touch Harry. I think that as soon as you get the protection it does not matter what the other partner does, it is about what you do.
Title: Re: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
Post by: Mira on November 18, 2021, 11:50:31 AM
The protection is still there. Lara knew Murphy was dead but she still took care not to touch Harry. I think that as soon as you get the protection it does not matter what the other partner does, it is about what you do.

Unless, Harry has sex with someone else, then it's all over as far as the protection goes.. I can see Mab arranging that if she wants the marriage between Harry and Lara to be consummated.
Title: Re: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
Post by: Arjan on November 18, 2021, 12:56:47 PM
Unless, Harry has sex with someone else, then it's all over as far as the protection goes.. I can see Mab arranging that if she wants the marriage between Harry and Lara to be consummated.
And I can see Harry trying to avoid it which can be amusing.
Title: Re: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
Post by: vincentric on November 18, 2021, 02:24:28 PM
And I can see Harry trying to avoid it which can be amusing.

I fully expect at least half of Next Book will be just this from different approaches by Molly, Mab and Lara.
Title: Re: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
Post by: morriswalters on November 18, 2021, 09:26:46 PM
If Mab chooses for Harry to have sex.  Harry will have sex. Pick your poison.  Mab can remove his free will and Harry can have robot sex. Lara can put the whammy on him and then feed him a virgin or one of her sisters.  And since it is true lust and not true love either would do.  Or Harry could fall in lust with Lara. Remember the story.
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King Louis had two thieves imprisoned under sentence of death. One demanded to see the King and returned from the interview looking very cheerful. ‘The King has pardoned me provided that in a year I will teach his horse to talk’. His fellow prisoner replied ‘You’ll never succeed, no one could’. The first prisoner responded ‘well, in a year I might die anyway, or King Louis might die, or the horse might talk.’
Title: Re: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
Post by: forumghost on November 18, 2021, 11:30:22 PM
I fully expect at least half of Next Book will be just this from different approaches by Molly, Mab and Lara.

Man and Lara maybe, Molly would be on his side at least.

Though if Mab wanted it done and Harry messed around too much she'd probably just tell him to lie down and brace himself.

It's not like it'd take that long.
Title: Re: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
Post by: Arjan on November 19, 2021, 02:41:23 AM
If Mab chooses for Harry to have sex.  Harry will have sex. Pick your poison.  Mab can remove his free will and Harry can have robot sex. Lara can put the whammy on him and then feed him a virgin or one of her sisters.  And since it is true lust and not true love either would do.  Or Harry could fall in lust with Lara. Remember the story.
If Mab is aware of the problem, she is not that good in these things, and if she decides to involve herself. She might just think it is Lara’s problem to solve.
Title: Re: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
Post by: Snark Knight on November 19, 2021, 04:18:50 AM
Eb was hurt pretty badly. Major leg break like that, even wizard healing is going to take a while before he's fit to leave Edinburgh under his own power. He might not even appear in Twelve Months, unless he's got a bunch of Wardens chauffering him and pushing him in a wheelchair.
Title: Re: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
Post by: KurtinStGeorge on November 19, 2021, 04:47:12 AM
Eb was hurt pretty badly. Major leg break like that, even wizard healing is going to take a while before he's fit to leave Edinburgh under his own power. He might not even appear in Twelve Months, unless he's got a bunch of Wardens chauffering him and pushing him in a wheelchair.

My 90 year old grandmother got out of her wheelchair six weeks after she broke her leg.  Of course, it was a clean break with no complications.  I could see Eb making an appearance late in the book.  That would give him most of a year to heal.  Plus, it would give Ebenezer a pretty good reason to be using Mother Winter's walking stick.  Sort of like using a really big shotgun as a walking stick, but that would be the point, wouldn't it?  Just to show everyone what's on his mind.

What I could see happening is Ebenezer arriving and after much tension admitting to Harry that he tried to take out Lara from a distance, but she was protected, just like her father used to be.
Title: Re: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
Post by: Snark Knight on November 19, 2021, 11:48:56 PM
What I could see happening is Ebenezer arriving and after much tension admitting to Harry that he tried to take out Lara from a distance, but she was protected, just like her father used to be.

Interesting possibility. I'm skeptical Lara would be willing to pay the same price her father did for that, but I was wrong about "Marcone works for Marcone". Getting in bed with the Outsiders for personal invincibility would certainly sour Mab on bringing her into the Winter fold, though.
Title: Re: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
Post by: Arjan on November 20, 2021, 12:54:22 PM
Interesting possibility. I'm skeptical Lara would be willing to pay the same price her father did for that, but I was wrong about "Marcone works for Marcone". Getting in bed with the Outsiders for personal invincibility would certainly sour Mab on bringing her into the Winter fold, though.
I think it would stop the marriage