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DF Reference Collection / Re: Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
« on: November 29, 2012, 08:21:11 PM »
I don't think Lara is currently infected. Nemesis Maeve made a point of saying that it would be nice to have someone close to Lara. If Lara was infected, couldn't Lara infect Justine pretty much whenever she wanted to? Or infect someone else, someone human, and have that person infect Justine, to get around the whole protection thing.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
« on: November 29, 2012, 07:42:20 PM »
And just because she was infected, I don't think that the takeover is always as quick as it was in Cat Sith's case. Ivy could have been fighting it for the last 4 years. Or maybe she found another way to beat it.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
« on: November 29, 2012, 07:35:40 PM »
Yeah, but I think we have to assume that at least one of the Denarians is infected. And if we have to assume that, then we must consider the fact that Ivy might be infected as well.

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Display Case / Re: Perfect Casting, part 2
« on: November 29, 2012, 07:20:39 PM »
I'm probably going to get shouted at for this, but has anyone considered RObert Pattinson for Harry? If you watch interviews, you see he can get quite snarky, and he gets dishevelled enough to look like Harry. Not sure if he's got the height and he'd need to improve his American accent, but it would be hilariously ironic.

*starts to look for shotgun*

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CD Book Club / Re: Cold Days Book Club - Chapters 45-53 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
« on: November 29, 2012, 01:53:30 AM »
Molly already has the piercings that Maeve was sporting. Those piercings have been mentioned a handful of time before in Molly's case. I don't recall them being mentioned for Maeve before. Mentioning them now seems to foreshadow Molly's eventual recruitment as the Winter Lady. Maybe its just me, though.

Ah, now I see what you mean. Yeah, I should have picked up on that earlier.

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CD Book Club / Re: Cold Days Book Club - Chapters 1-15 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
« on: November 29, 2012, 01:03:07 AM »
Yeah, I recognized it from Prachett, but since it's in the book, I figured I'd err on the side of caution and get an official ruling before I did it.

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CD Book Club / Re: Cold Days Book Club - Chapters 1-15 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
« on: November 28, 2012, 11:25:47 PM »
To any of the mods, can I get a verdict on this quote to go in my signature

"Build a man a fire and he's warm for a day. But set a man on fire, and he's warm for the rest of his life"

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CD Book Club / Re: Cold Days Book Club - Chapters 45-53 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
« on: November 28, 2012, 10:43:26 PM »
Anyone else think that Maeve's birthday suit piercings foreshadows the Molly situation?

Oh goodness I hope not. I don't think I could handle reading about Molly getting vajazzled.

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Display Case / Re: Perfect Casting, part 2
« on: November 28, 2012, 10:40:26 PM »
I would like Mary Kate Wiles as Molly.



I agree.

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Display Case / Re: Perfect Casting, part 2
« on: November 28, 2012, 09:49:22 PM »
What about for Rawlings? I'm thinking Reginald VelJohnson.


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CD Book Club / Re: Cold Days Book Club - Chapters 31-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
« on: November 28, 2012, 09:38:49 PM »
Agreed. Not even a contest.

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CD Book Club / Re: Cold Days Book Club - Chapters 45-53 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
« on: November 28, 2012, 09:25:12 PM »
Ok, now that I've slept and gathered my thoughts

1. I am sooooo glad I did a full series reread before this came out. Otherwise I would have been constantly going back and having to find portions of the previous books to remember all the context.

2. It broke my heart in Ghost Story to see how Molly had turned out, and in this one, it was like I was hit by the Shadowman. To see Molly doing so much better, and then to have her life so drastically messed with, even if it wasn't Mab's plan A, was just too much. Someone must have been cutting onions in my room, too.

3. SANTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4. I'm glad I was at least half right about Sarissa. I thought she was gonna be the new Winter Lady. And I'm even more glad that Maeve got taken out. Once she killed Lily, I was trying to figure out a way to jump into the book and do it myself. I was a great misdirect having her try to point the finger at Mab. It had me going for a small portion of the book. I figured it out about the same time Harry did.

5. It was so much fun to see Harry and Fix go at it. And it made me happy that Harry didn't give in to his darker side and kill Fix. That would have sucked.

6. Sooooo..... where the heck do we go from here? Harry has gone from PI to hermit, living on a prison block that makes the prison from the Walking Dead look like freaking Elysium. Molly is the new Winter Lady ((and I pray to TWG that she doesn't take up Maeve's fashion sense. I don't think I could handle reading about Molly being vajazzled)), and we just had Outsiderpalooza.

7. I'm torn about the parasite. I know that some people think it's Lash, but that doesn't add up for me. What if the parasite is the contagion that Maeve and so many others had, and Lash has been the one fighting it? That seems closer to accurate for me, but who knows? I guess we will get to find that out next time.

Anywho, those are my initial reactions. I really loved this book, and I think that it is, by far, Jim's best one to date. It was completely and entirely worth the wait, and worth the lost hours of sleep reading it in one shot. I just could not put it down. Thank you again, Mr. Butcher.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: The identity of the Mothers [CD spoilers]
« on: November 28, 2012, 10:04:13 AM »
This may have been kicked around before, but I haven't been able to find a similar theory.  My apologies if so.

We meet the Mothers for the second time in Cold Days, but in a rather unique way.  Harry attempts to summon Mother Winter... and it works.  His summoning reveals, I think, a very important gap in our knowledge.

Premise:
The Mothers, along with a heretofore unknown entity, are the Fates.

Background:
The Fates are three women that appear in various mythologies who control the destinies of mortals.  I will use the Greek names for concreteness.  There is Clotho, the spinner of the thread of life, Lachesis, who measured the length, and Atropos, who cut it with her shears.

Another rather prevalent mythos surrounding thee women goddesses is the idea of the Mother, the Maiden, and the Crone.  One can map the three Fates onto the three goddesses easily.

In most of these mythos, the Fates are absurdly powerful, up to deciding on the fates of the Gods themselves.

Claim:
Mother Winter is the Atropos, the Crone; Mother Summer is Lachesis, the Mother; we have yet to identify the Maiden, Clotho.

Supporting evidence:
Perhaps the most obvious evidence is that Harry attempts to summon Mother Winter using the Greek and Norse names for Atropos.

While on the subject of names, it is implied twice that there is a name that references both Mother Summer and Winter together.  I suggest that it would be the name of the Fates, which is Moirai in Greek.

Additional evidence is provided by looking at the personalities of Mother Summer and Mother Winter.  Mother Winter is old (so old she can barely walk), does not suffer fools, and is generally not the nicest Fae around.  She is perpetually shrouded in her cloak and has an absolutely evil cackle.  She also has the requisite shears:

Mother Summer, on the other hand, is much more matronly and kind.  She bustles around their cottage and tends the house.  She actually tries to put Harry at ease and is generally pleasant.

Speculation:
If we accept that Mothers Winter and Summer have a corresponding Maiden, then we must speculate on who that would be.  My best guess at the moment is that the role of the Maiden is played by the Summer Lady.  It is not known what true purpose the Ladies' power fulfills, or at least it hasn't been revealed.

Given that Clotho is associated with life and giving birth, it seems more reasonable that the Summer Lady would serve in this role rather than the Winter Lady.  It would also fit with the "youngness" of the Summer Lady, and it is not unreasonable to draw the connection between the Lady and Mother.

Conclusion:
I think that Mother Summer and Winter are two of the three Fates, which necessitates identifying the third Fate, the Maiden.

I like where you are going with this, but take it a step further. I get the idea that Mother Winter and Mother Summer live together because they are really two parts of the same being. I like the three goddesses approach, but what if, for the DV, the greeks just had a better understanding of the fae courts that Dresden does. I see the relationship between Winter and Summer looking something like this

                                                      Mothers Winter and Summer
                                                                       /\
                                                                      /  \
                                                                     /    \
                                                                  Mab    Titania
                                                                  /          \
                                                                 /             \
                                                                /               \
                                                       WL (Molly)          SL (Sarissa)


I think that they are just two parts of the same thing, like the opposite sides of a coin. And the lower down the chain you go, the less they resemble each other.

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CD Book Club / Re: Cold Days Book Club - Chapters 45-53 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
« on: November 28, 2012, 09:40:41 AM »
Yeah, Charity is going to murderdeathkill Dresden.

And, I just have to say, Santa is freakin epic. And, in response to the comment about Maeve needing a hug, I never thought I'd see Mab needing a hug. Mr Jim Butcher, you are a brilliant, wicked, awesome, evil, and fantastic author.

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CD Book Club / Re: Cold Days Book Club - Chapters 1-15 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
« on: November 27, 2012, 07:21:17 PM »
And Bandi!! Go Butters!! ;D ;D

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