Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - Mira

Pages: 1 ... 111 112 [113] 114 115 ... 501
1681
DF Spoilers / Re: Is the White Council afraid of Harry Dresden?
« on: May 01, 2022, 04:35:13 PM »
Quote
In the attack at the small store someone summoned the Walker.  The Walker was the test, but test was to see if Harry could fight back from the psychic attack. He didn't defeat the Walker he exploded the fuel tank. Butcher supports this in Peace talks during the fight in the parking garage.

Yes and no, the exploding gas tank did end HWWB's attack, but up to that point young sixteen year old scared shitless Harry Dresden wasn't exactly buckling under the Outsider psychic attack either.  Impressive since young Harry had no clue as to what or why he was being attacked.  He had no defense since he didn't know at the time that there was such a thing as a psychic attack, or how to defend himself from it.  He kept up his adolescent smart ass fall back defense act that we've all become familiar with, and it more or less worked.  We don't know how long it would have worked because HWWB decided to murder the gas station attendant, which horrified and piss young Harry off and he ignited the gas pump.   So while perhaps not definitive, whoever sent the Walker did get quite a bit of data on young star born Harry Dresden. 

1682
DF Spoilers / Re: Harry still hosts Lasciel's Shadow
« on: May 01, 2022, 04:23:24 PM »
Because giving Harry a tie wouldn’t have been enough.

Oh perfect, one of those loud ties, maybe with peacocks on it to counter Nic's noose.. ::)

1683
DF Spoilers / Re: Is the White Council afraid of Harry Dresden?
« on: May 01, 2022, 11:18:15 AM »
Quote
It's entirely possible that *every* member of the White Council has their own personal agenda for Harry... because they're very-senior wizards (aka arrogant and self-confident to a very-nearly pathological degree).
 

Yes it is possible, I do think as a group they had an agenda for Harry, but their mistake was thinking
they could control him. 

1684
DF Spoilers / Re: Harry still hosts Lasciel's Shadow
« on: May 01, 2022, 11:11:57 AM »
The Shadow is gone. That's confirmed in Small Favor during his fight with Nic on the beach. Nic calls on the Shadow to disable Harry and gets a big shock when Harry grabs the Noose while telling Nic the Shadow doesn't live there anymore. That seems pretty clear.

Yes, and it is later confirmed by Uriel, that is why he was gifted Soul Fire to balance the scales.

1685
DF Spoilers / Re: Harry still hosts Lasciel's Shadow
« on: April 30, 2022, 08:05:05 PM »
Quote
Snapping implies a loss of control.  In terms of character development why did Butcher have Harry lose his shit? What did the passage accomplish?  What was it meant to do? I understand the emotional shorthand that Butcher is using, at least in part.

  Butcher is saying first and foremost, Harry is a human being.  His reaction given his love for Murphy and the stress of being on a war footing is normal!  Audie Murphy spoke of the same thing happening to him in a battle, his best friend was killed in front of him, something snapped and he took out a whole hill of machine gun nest all by himself. That psychologist says it is built into the human brain, it is a normal reaction though not all are perhaps as extreme as Harry's was, but there are those that are.
Quote
Not anyone.
Yeah, anyone, if you have never had that kind of reaction you don't understand.  When our son killed himself, my husband tried to stop me from going to his room.  I literately ran over him in the hallway to get to his room.  Nothing was going to stop me.  Apparently two trained Holy Warriors couldn't stop Harry from going after Rudolph.  Oh they could have shot him, I suppose, but other than that Sword burn, nothing else would have brought him back to his senses.
Quote
If Michael had stood in his way?
Mouse?  You think he would have attacked Mouse?
No, Michael wouldn't have been able to stop him.  Mouse perhaps with sheer physical animal strength, taking him down and sitting on him. Or maybe not even him because the Winter Knight Mantle would have taken over.  We are talking about the same combination of hormones that take over that allows an 80 pound kid to lift a car that has fallen on his father.
Quote
Sanya is a very-iffy "maybe" to me:  Harry knows Sanya as one of the "good guys," always an ally, always trustworthy.  But also, always a fighter; so I can kinda-sorta see Harry fighting Sanya to get what he wants so badly (to kill Rudy).
Rationally maybe, and you'd be right, except when a person "snaps" they are no longer thinking rationally. 
As Dr Fields says
Quote
“Why We Snap” outlines nine, but some of the most common ones are a life or death threat, threat to a loved one, threat to your home, or threat to your tribe. “Our brain is wired to constantly be on the lookout for threats,” Fields says. “In response to sudden danger, we react automatically; you can't think about

Quote
Butters, I think, is off-limits to a Harry not "under the influence."  Butters has just barely emerged from the "helpless nerd who needs protecting" stage of things.  I can see rage-Harry pushing Butters aside, shoving even.  But not an outright attack with deadly force; again:  unless "under the influence."
 
Which proves the point actually, a rationally thinking Harry would never attack Butters.  Heck even in Skin Game when Butters was attacking him, Harry did his best not to hurt him.
Quote
Butcher is showing you the monster.  The other Harry. the Harry that is arrogant, full of rage, and absolutely cock sure of himself.  Who is certain that what he is doing is right, and the way it's supposed to be. 
No, Butcher is showing us a human being.  You and I under the various circumstances are capable of snapping just like he was.  Oh you can claim you wouldn't but apparently it isn't a voluntary reaction according to Dr Fields, it is wired into a part of our brains. What you are saying might apply to Harry in other ways, but had nothing to do with his reaction to Murphy being shot and dying in his arms in that moment.
Quote
My contention is that now you know.  Harry was programmed to react in this way.
No more that you are or I am... He maybe programmed but his reaction to Murphy's death had nothing to do with that.
Quote
I feel sorry for Harry because as a character he's been abused by people close to him. He was programmed to be a psychopath.  He's trying to be something more.  I wish I was going to see how it all turns out.
No, he isn't a psychopath..
Quote
Psychopathy is a maladaptive personality disorder character- ized by such traits as a lack of remorse, manipulativeness, egocentricity, superficial charm, and shallow affect (Cleckley, 1941; Hare, 1991).


Harry was totally remorseful, and he feels empathy for those that suffered and died, he is no psychopath.

1686
DF Spoilers / Re: Harry still hosts Lasciel's Shadow
« on: April 30, 2022, 04:25:55 AM »
Quote
Yeah... except Harry didn't use much wizardry, either.  Mostly, he used the Winter Mantle.

The Winter Mantle makes it hard for him, but he has lost it wizardwise as well.  The latter admittedly under the influence of Lasciel's Shadow, but when the Ghouls killed and ate part of those sixteen year old Warden trainees, Harry lost it totally, there was no Winter Mantle then. He also lost it at Bianca's party after he realized those kids were being poisoned or turned, that they tried to unmake a Holy Sword and a few other things. but he totally lost it and there wasn't any Shadow influence yet either.
Quote
Look at what he did:  he was about to commit murder, out of revenge; he beat the crap out of a dear friend; and started to do so with another.

I need to listen tomorrow, and perhaps you as well to either Fresh Air or the show that comes on around 10:00 am on NPR radio tomorrow.  A psychologist is going to come to explain why it is that people sometimes "snap" or "lose it"

Quote
“Why We Snap” outlines nine, but some of the most common ones are a life or death threat, threat to a loved one, threat to your home, or threat to your tribe. “Our brain is wired to constantly be on the lookout for threats,” Fields says. “In response to sudden danger, we react automatically; you can't think about

That is what happened to Harry, seeing Murphy shot then dying in his arms, he snapped, if he were just an ordinary vanilla human it still would have happened.  He would have taken a weapon or used his bare hands, but he would have gone after Rudolph and through anyone who tried to stop him. Let us not also forget that Rudolph wasn't just some random careless cop who's bad habits finally caught up to him.  He had been after Murphy and Harry for some time, so Harry had every reason in the moment to believe what Rudolph did was no accident.  Harry is a powerful wizard and Winter Knight to boot , I think the only thing in that moment that could have stopped him was a warning burn from a Holy Sword.  Which it did, Butters and Sanya understood that and forgave him. 

1687
DF Spoilers / Re: Battle Ground foreshadowing
« on: April 29, 2022, 02:33:26 PM »
His utility to the narrative is at an end. There is no point to internal White Council politics now they have thrown Harry out.

My question is did he ever have any utility?  Oh we readers did a lot of speculation about him, but as a character he was almost nil to begin with.  Of the Senior Council, the members that have had any significant interaction with Harry are, Eb, the Merlin, Rashid, and Listens to Wind.  Martha Liberty got a few lines, but between Summer Knight and Battle Ground she may well have never existed, the same goes for Ancient Mai

1688
DF Spoilers / Re: Battle Ground foreshadowing
« on: April 29, 2022, 10:41:26 AM »


  Just because he isn't mentioned doesn't mean he is dead. 

1689
DF Spoilers / Re: A Stretch Connection
« on: April 28, 2022, 08:55:19 PM »


I'd put the White Court up as human, or at any rate they started out as human, and someone made a deal, with a demon called the Hunger.  It is a parasitic relationship, or symbiosis
Quote
Symbiosis is a relationship between two organisms: it can be mutualistic (both benefit), commensal (one benefits), or parasitic.

The Red Court seems to have been different, in that it was more of an infection..  But an infection with plenty of benefits, it gains nothing by remaining human, so when fully turned they no long resemble the humans they once were unless they require the illusion of it to gain more victims.

1690
DF Spoilers / Re: Harry still hosts Lasciel's Shadow
« on: April 28, 2022, 08:47:26 PM »
Quote
Soulfire and Hellfire are two sides of the same coin - I think that was Harry on the verge of corrupting Uriel's gift simply out of his own wrath and Winter's influence over how to express it, and the Knights were deployed to get him to step back from that brink.

Except when he went after Rudolph he didn't use Soul Fire, didn't even think to call it up.  It may be a subtle difference, but he didn't cross the line.. I don't think the Winter Mantle had anything to do with Harry striking out at Rudolph, that was pure reaction when he witnessed something one should never witness, and Harry simply lost it.. When wizards lose it, it is very bad ass..

1691
DF Spoilers / Re: Harry still hosts Lasciel's Shadow
« on: April 28, 2022, 04:34:25 PM »
Never say never.  But Harry has had rage issues since Storm Front. Where he proclaims...Seems pretty rage like to me.

Issues?  Um the Shadowman was getting ready to explode his heart remotely.. He proved he could do it, Harry saw the results.. So hell yeah, he'd want to kill him before he was killed.  The issue isn't that he contemplated doing it, the issue is why didn't he?  People in a rage don't stop to think, they just act.. That scene doesn't at all demonstrate "rage issues" on Harry's part.

1692
DF Spoilers / Re: Battle ground questions
« on: April 28, 2022, 10:38:11 AM »
Mab gives Harry the norovirus, the “Winter vomiting bug”?

Or turns him into the Tooth Fairy.. :P

1693
DF Spoilers / Re: Is Harry going back to his roots a good thing?
« on: April 28, 2022, 10:37:01 AM »
The brief bit of Harry we see in the fragment of Dread Beast Mister is very different to the Harry we see in Christmas Eve, as is the Harry at the end of that story.

I think in Dread Beast Mister, we are going to see a Harry wallowing in his misery in the Castle. Whatever Toot does it pushes Harry towards being the more functional Harry we see at the start of Christmas Eve, willing at least to put on a facade

We see Harry grieving, not wallowing, but grieving, for crap sake he still is wearing a cast and bandages, its been weeks, not months or years!  It isn't just Murphy that he lost, but for the foreseeable future his brother Thomas as well.  I'm not sure how you expect Harry to act, but it looks quite normal to me for someone who has lost so much.  He is attempting to get his emotions together, that is why he is meditating, that isn't wallowing.  Yes, he is doing better by Christmas Eve, a little time has past, at least his physical injuries have healed and he can do more to cope with his grief.  I am sure Toot does help him, but grief cannot be turned on and off like a faucet, it is a process, even for a wizard.

1694
DF Spoilers / Re: Is the White Council afraid of Harry Dresden?
« on: April 28, 2022, 10:23:08 AM »
They apparently investigated enough to be clear that Justin had gone warlock, and was actively practicing black magic.  I'd expect a warlock would avoid "prematurely" exposing an apprentice to the White Council, and I'd expect the Council wouldn't think this odd.  And... where else would a 16-year-old kid get enough magical "juice" to take down a combat-veteran senior Warden?  One who was in on the kill of Kemmler himself, at that, so no slouch!

That is why the Council was so divided and still are.. Let us not forget that Eb had orders to kill his sixteen year old charge, if he noticed anything.

1695
DF Spoilers / Re: Battle ground questions
« on: April 28, 2022, 10:20:40 AM »
You may be right.  I don't think so but I am not Butcher. So it's a personal bias.  On Reddit there has been some talk that he's told the betas that it will all come out in the end.

If we all live long enough to see it... It may all come out, but that doesn't mean it will be satisfactory.. ::)

Pages: 1 ... 111 112 [113] 114 115 ... 501