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terroja:

--- Quote from: Saker Pup on October 08, 2006, 08:59:35 PM ---
--- Quote from: Belial on October 08, 2006, 08:02:53 PM ---"Dark" writing is a lot more than just sadism. It's a way of telling the story, it's dark and gritty, with horrific elements. That doesn't equate to sadism or angsty-ness though.
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Unless I misread completely, I believe that was Terroja's point.

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I think he misread.

That's okay. Some people are so interested in listening to themselves talk that they don't bother to pay more than cursory attention to anyone else's words.

 

Belial:

--- Quote from: terroja on October 08, 2006, 08:34:10 AM ---
Usually books that are just nonstop pessimism or sadism are just incredibly boring. How many consecutive tortures and deaths can you read before they lose any and all impact? The only time purely dark writing is ever actually disturbing is if there is something twisted about it. Someone getting decapitated with a rusty table saw is not nearly as interesting (or funny) as someone getting decapitated with a rusty tablesaw by Santa Clause while their children watch.


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--- Quote from: Saker Pup on October 08, 2006, 08:59:35 PM ---

--- Quote from: Belial on October 08, 2006, 08:02:53 PM ---"Dark" writing is a lot more than just sadism. It's a way of telling the story, it's dark and gritty, with horrific elements. That doesn't equate to sadism or angsty-ness though.
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Unless I misread completely, I believe that was Terroja's point.

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Again, i must respectfully disagree. Terroja equates sadism and pessimism as being "dark". However I have read dark stories that are neither sadistic, nor pessimistic. They are intinsically different things. As I said, sadism and pessimism can be tools towards dark writing, but they are by no means the be all and end all of dark writing.

The difference between what I said and what Terroja said is simply this: Terroja says that completely dark (i.e. all sadism and pessimism) is only interesting with a twist (i.e. his Santa Claus idea). However, I say that sadism and pessimism are one small part of dark writing. He says it's the be all and end all, I say it's a small tool, that writing can be dark without them. 

Roxinos:
He's not saying it's the be all end all. He's saying that it is a part of it, but not an entirely necessary part of purely dark writing. There has to be something more. That twist. Which is similar to what you said.

But I could be wrong.

Mickey Finn:
"If I ever wrote a book that could be "bright" on minute and "dark" the next, I think I'd throw away my pen forever."


*tosses you some Terry Pratchett*

terroja:

--- Quote from: Belial on October 09, 2006, 06:27:03 AM ---Terroja equates sadism and pessimism as being "dark".

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I did no such thing. I, in fact, said the exact opposite of that. Keep trying though, you might just get something right one of these days.

Mickey: I meant to say couldn't, not could.

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