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Enchanting guns and other tech items?
Stephen:
--- Quote from: MacsNewBrew on August 21, 2008, 04:17:34 AM ---Also, steel, or Cold Iron is not something the fae would touch with a ten foot pole.
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But not all fae are anti iron/steel, Harry has said some are totally unconcerned about the stuff and usually in mythology that is the metal working crafters e.g. toll smiths being one example.
--- Quote from: MacsNewBrew on August 21, 2008, 04:17:34 AM ---I'm not saying that the theoretical firearm couldn't be made of other stuff (what are their swords made of again), but it would not be something you could just get made without a very heafty price
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For a 'normal' human sure, unless the smith was interested in the challenge, but if the Winter or Summer Knight ordered it or one of the people requested to act as agents for the courts demanded/requested one for their mission their might be no cost.
--- Quote from: MacsNewBrew on August 21, 2008, 04:17:34 AM ---Dead Beat's plot development has the mule hiding the Word of Kemmler's location on a thumb drive so Cowl and the likes wouldn't screw him over. Didn't Butters have to put up a circle to get a GPS signal during the Darkhallow?
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Yes but it was Grevane not Cowl that made the deal and its not clear from that example that necro does cause murphonic issues just that the guy believed it would act as a deterent and that would be based on info he had about normal magic rather than necro.
Yes but its also not clear that raising the spirits used the necro magic (the stuff Harry describes as cold) rather than typical magic in a necromantic act.
--- Quote from: MacsNewBrew on August 21, 2008, 04:17:34 AM ---I can't remember if we have seen fae magic around tech before...
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In Summer Night, first in the dead Summer Knight's home (minor time), but also when Harry and Murphy when up against the Veggy construct (major time - chainsaw). When Lea visited Harry at his office, probably other times. Still partly speculative an idea though.
--- Quote from: MacsNewBrew on August 21, 2008, 04:17:34 AM ---I couldn't see a gun having so much veneration that it has a power of faith, unless it was the hypothetical M1 Garand that assinated Hitler. Even then, we would still be talking about a historical artifact, famous maybe, but not something that has a direct connection with peoples' faith.
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I'm not thinking of it as a current faith item but a possible one and as Sanya, Harry and Micheal demonstrate faith is broad so it could easily be possible as a holy item (likely no but not impossible), given the number of wacky cults and 'survivalist' groups an alignment of both could set up a gun as a holy item and who knows maybe Nic's fanatics might qualify as such a group. I'm just raising the possibility not the probability and Nic's nuts apart there is no known DF group that might.
Stephen
MacsNewBrew:
--- Quote from: Stephen on August 21, 2008, 10:13:50 AM ---I'm not thinking of it as a current faith item but a possible one and as Sanya, Harry and Micheal demonstrate faith is broad so it could easily be possible as a holy item (likely no but not impossible), given the number of wacky cults and 'survivalist' groups an alignment of both could set up a gun as a holy item and who knows maybe Nic's fanatics might qualify as such a group. I'm just raising the possibility not the probability and Nic's nuts apart there is no known DF group that might.
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You make a good point. I could easily see one as an item of personal faith in this light. Harry believes in the pentacle, which is why it harmed Bianca. Also, Michael's armor was an anathea [sp?] to the guests at Bianca's party in GP, even though we find out in PG that Charity most likely made it. The swords are so powerful because of the connection to the crucifiction, and the faith of Christians everywhere, whereas the armor's power comes from Michael's faith in it.
Someone who found themselves in several very hairy situations, and managed to survive because of a gun, might have a lot of personal faith in that weapon.
TheMouse:
--- Quote from: MacsNewBrew on August 22, 2008, 12:50:17 AM ---anathea [sp?]
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Anathema.
Slife:
So, how about duplicating the effect instead of just enhancing a preexisting gun?
Instead of gunpowder, use some kinetic charged magic thingy. Charge it up by leeching off a train's momentum. Load some bullets, pull the trigger, and some of the kinetic energy is released. Instead of pushing directly onto the enemy, it's used to accelerate a small piece of enchanted metal.
Not really that high tech, but it's still a magic gun.
Stephen:
--- Quote from: Slife on September 04, 2008, 10:51:33 PM ---So, how about duplicating the effect instead of just enhancing a preexisting gun?
Instead of gunpowder, use some kinetic charged magic thingy. Charge it up by leeching off a train's momentum. Load some bullets, pull the trigger, and some of the kinetic energy is released. Instead of pushing directly onto the enemy, it's used to accelerate a small piece of enchanted metal.
Not really that high tech, but it's still a magic gun.
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Love the idea.
I've been wondering why harry charges his force rings with arm movements when he could use much more powerful momentum sources (heel strke, leg swings if personal space is required) but I've always wondered about massive momentum sources (the beetle, trucks, el trains, freight trains, ships, etc). I've assumed its because you either can't or the spell to do it is too different/complex/dangerous but there is always the possibility that it's just unthought of.
Stephen
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