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Harry talking to his subconscious in Twelve Months - Your opinions
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 04, 2026, 02:27:42 PM ---Which she isn't, she is as upfront about it as Harry is, unless she is lying, she isn't happy about being forced into this relationship either. It could become a reasonably healthy relationship now because all the cards are on the table as far as what Lara is and what Harry is. If it wasn't for her being a vampire, I think Lara is the best fit for Harry on an intellectual level.
One thing not mentioned in this thread is Harry's question as to whether Harry truly loved Murphy or she loved him? I have to go back and reread, but that's what caused him to throw the glass against the wall.
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That was a separate issue that I didn't want to address at the time, but I will do so now.
From the standpoint of logic, Harry doubting that Murphy loved him makes no sense. Murphy loved Harry when he broke Thomas out of the castle; and Harry knows this because Lara was burned when she touched him during the rescue. Harry would have to believe something had radically changed in the last few hours of Karin Murphy's life that made her fall out of love with him to doubt what he briefly had with her.
Of course, the counter to this argument is Harry isn't using logic and reason and he is in tremendous emotional pain. On top of the grief and PTSD he's suffering through, Harry is doing his usual guilt and self blame routine he goes through every time something bad happens to someone around him that he even remotely cares about. Harry really needs therapy to understand why he does this, because it is not healthy and can be self-defeating, but that is another topic.
I think the most important thing to understand is, at this point of the conversation subconscious-Harry isn't saying anything that is a revelation to regular / outside Harry. This is not a "you are not seeing what I am seeing" moment. Both sides of Harry's personality are in agreement here and this is what makes Harry so angry that he breaks off the conversation by throwing the glass. Harry is so low at this point, both aspects of Harry no longer believe they deserve to be loved.
Side issue: This also means there was never any chance Harry and Lara could fall in love; at least not at this time, as some Harry / Lara shippers would have liked. Harry's self loathing made this impossible.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 04, 2026, 02:27:42 PM ---Which she isn't, she is as upfront about it as Harry is, unless she is lying, she isn't happy about being forced into this relationship either.
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I don't think being unhappy about Mab's proposed method of alliance is the same as Harry and/or Lara not wanting the best partnership possible between them.
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on Yesterday at 06:53:29 PM ---This is not a "you are not seeing what I am seeing" moment.
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But he literally says that, so there has to be something. Right? At the Halloween party, Lara demonstrated that she could have forced the issue in a way that looked to be entirely in her favor. Why didn't she? Because she sincerely wanted some kind of partnership with Harry? Because he wouldn't be the first wizard in his family to escape the snares of a White Court monarch if she went for control that way?
I agree with everything you said about Murphy loving Harry and his mental state.
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on Yesterday at 11:33:02 PM ---I don't think being unhappy about Mab's proposed method of alliance is the same as Harry and/or Lara not wanting the best partnership possible between them.
But he literally says that, so there has to be something. Right? At the Halloween party, Lara demonstrated that she could have forced the issue in a way that looked to be entirely in her favor. Why didn't she? Because she sincerely wanted some kind of partnership with Harry? Because he wouldn't be the first wizard in his family to escape the snares of a White Court monarch if she went for control that way?
I agree with everything you said about Murphy loving Harry and his mental state.
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I didn’t make myself clear. When subconscious Harry said “You aren’t seeing what I’m seeing,” he’s referring to Lara and her alone. When subconscious Harry is questioning Murphy’s love for Harry, it is exactly what conscious Harry is already doing. Harry’s subconscious isn’t revealing anything his conscious mind isn’t already thinking.
That is why I said, this is not a “You are not seeing what I am seeing” moment.
Bad Alias:
So you were saying subconscious Harry isn't revealing any Murphy stuff Harry isn't already aware of?
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on Today at 01:41:07 AM ---So you were saying subconscious Harry isn't revealing any Murphy stuff Harry isn't already aware of?
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Exactly that. That is why Harry became so upset. His subconscious was telling Harry the exact same thing when he was probably hoping his subconscious would contradict him, as it often does on other issues.
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