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Spoilers!!!! Carlos's apology from the lot of you, SC IS THAT DUMP

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Tinfoil hat:
Here be spoilers

Turn back Now


I'm serious
In the aftermath of PT and BG, a lot of Carlos hate was thrown around on this site and others, Carlos is blind, dump, should trust Harry etc, etc. In the post 12 Months discussion there is little being said about Carlos and Harry interactions ,and Eb and Harry's interactions.
Carlos turns out to be on good terms with Harry while hiding it from the WC. He shows up several times even helps in a fight or two. But here's the thing. Carlos claims WC intelligence is  2nd to none in the presence of Molly and Lara when discussing how to gather info on their enemies implying its comparable or better than winter court spy network,  the white court and mortal intelligence gathering. He isn't laughed out of the room.
Long tangent but hold on I'm getting to my point.
Eb says damn the Merlin for  kicking Harry while doing so in a way that Harry thinks Is leaving a lot of information out.
To my point Carlos is young and he already knows Harry is on the level. The SC has networks of info, spys and spirits they can use to gather information on just about anyone yet they still don't trust Harry. The rank and file I get but seriously the older members of the council should know better. Harry is practically attached to the knights of the swords and the swords themselves. He owns a temple dog if nothing else ancient Mai should be on his side.
 Is the SC council blind, dump or do they have something else planned because at this point their level of distrust for harry is
about to reach mission impossible levels of stupid. In the mission impossible movies series every movie the higher ups think Ethan has gone rogue hunt him then oops he was on our side repeat 8 times

Mira:

--- Quote ---To my point Carlos is young and he already knows Harry is on the level. The SC has networks of info, spys and spirits they can use to gather information on just about anyone yet they still don't trust Harry. The rank and file I get but seriously the older members of the council should know better. Harry is practically attached to the knights of the swords and the swords themselves. He owns a temple dog if nothing else ancient Mai should be on his side.
 Is the SC council blind, dump or do they have something else planned because at this point their level of distrust for harry is
about to reach mission impossible levels of stupid. In the mission impossible movies series every movie the higher ups think Ethan has gone rogue hunt him then oops he was on our side repeat 8 times
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At this point, no apologies, at least from this reader until we get a better explanation from Carlos!  Carlos dumped on Harry extremely hard and was basically kicking him in the testicles when Harry was at his lowest point, grieving, physically hurt and exhausted, and had just saved them all from the Titian!   We Carlos fans were totally shocked by the scene, there should have been a couple of lines somewhere where Carlos apologizes to Harry!  Just a line or two, no choice etc. from Carlos would be enough, but it wasn't there.  That, going along with suddenly out of the blue, Carlos says that Merlin built the castle.  Yeah, we knew about the runes and wards Harry noticed when he took over the place, but I don't recall anywhere and I could be wrong that it was attributed to Merlin.  While I am pleased that Carlos is trying to make it up to Harry and actually says he is being watched closely, there still needed to be a couple of words of apology from him to Harry!

Dina:

--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on February 02, 2026, 03:18:31 PM ---In the aftermath of PT and BG, a lot of Carlos hate was thrown around on this site and others, Carlos is blind, dump, should trust Harry etc, etc. In the post 12 Months discussion there is little being said about Carlos and Harry interactions ,and Eb and Harry's interactions.

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What do you mean? I saw a lot of discussion about how Carlos and Harry suddenly seem chummy again.
I don't know. I think Carlos  had time to think and realize he was in the wrong. I am glad for that and I welcome him, but for now I won't apologize.

Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: Dina on Yesterday at 06:23:29 PM ---I think Carlos  had time to think and realize he was in the wrong. I am glad for that and I welcome him, but for now I won't apologize.

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I need to carefully reread the end of Battle Ground again in light of how Carlos behaved in 12 Months. Based only on memory, the two don't go well together. However, it is perfectly believable that you are right and Carlos doesn't want to revisit that conversation and Harry is just letting it go because he'll take friends where he can get them or he is too focused on his grief to even care.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Bad Alias on Yesterday at 11:14:16 PM ---I need to carefully reread the end of Battle Ground again in light of how Carlos behaved in 12 Months. Based only on memory, the two don't go well together. However, it is perfectly believable that you are right and Carlos doesn't want to revisit that conversation and Harry is just letting it go because he'll take friends where he can get them or he is too focused on his grief to even care.

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It goes beyond the heated conversation at the end of Battle Ground though, because Carlos acted like he did go along with what the Council was saying.  Every resentment and suspicion he felt after his unfortunate encounter with Molly against the Winter Court came out.  While he may not want to revisit it, a word or two from Carlos to Harry of appology was needed and we never heard it.

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