00:00
Okay, the question is, are we ever going to hear more from Tara West or possibly your family? She was. Uh, one of the one of the the wolf wears, I suppose. Uh, in, uh, full moon. I mean. You know, really, she didn't have. She didn't have a whole lot to do with.
00:20
She didn't really want to have a whole lot to do with humans. I mean, neither do I, I get it. I mean, I'm I'm pretty much a Hermit most of the time, if if I come up with a good reason, you know, if something happens that sort of gives me the the thinnest excuse to not go out, you know, be, like, oh my gosh, look at that.
00:38
A branch fell off the tree. I'm gonna have to clean it up. Sorry. You, oh goodness. Look at that wind. That sort of thing. Uh, but I don't know, we might. I, I think we'll probably we'll probably try and get. We'll probably try and hit up almost everyone. By the time he gets to the big Trilogy at the end.
00:57
Uh, uh, I've got. I've got sort of small things in mind, for, for almost everybody, by the time we get there. Uh, the original plan. Uh, I don't know if you all know this, uh, but you're going to respect me less after the story. Um. But uh, I originally wrote The Dresden Files as a class project.
01:16
Uh, so, and you know, what's more, I did it it to prove to my writing teacher how wrong she was about all these things she was trying to teach me. So, and because I mean, I knew what I was doing. I, I was going to be a swords and horses fantasy author, you know, the next Culkin.
01:32
That was my goal, and uh. What's more, I had a bachelor's degree. In English literature. The emphasis in creative writing, whereas she had merely published 40 novels. And we were talking about writing crafting class. I kept bringing up Buffy the Vampire Slayer in Babylon 5, which are two very well written shows.
01:57
And uh, as as examples of various points of the craft and so on. And she had she kept coming to me and saying, hey, why don't you try writing? Uh, uh, an urban fantasy, why don't you try writing a science fiction story? Because you're just writing these, you know the you're writing these basic fantasies and and I really wasn't learning a thing or applying anything, uh, the lesson she was teaching me, and so she kept nagging me to do it.
02:19
Finally, once master, I said, okay, fine. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do everything she says. This is how I'm going to prove Iran. I'm gonna do everything she says, I'm gonna be a good little writing monkey. I'm gonna fill out all her little forms and do a little exercises and worksheets, and she's gonna she's gonna see what terrible cookie cutter paddle crap emergency from such a rigid and unbending cross.
02:37
That's cool, and I wrote the first book of the dress doing fine. You know, we showed her. And she was a tough teacher man like she was not one of these people who would would who would like read your stuff and say, well, I really like this, and I really like this.
02:51
And I really like that, but you might want to think about maybe tweaking this one little thing, you know, like that. That was not the way she commented things you did this wrong. You blew it. You, her criticism, cheat, she believed in preparing her kids for the Cutthroat business of New York.
03:03
And, uh, uh, you know her. Her criticism for my stuff included such things as as throwing a Pentecost through, and uh, rolling up my chapter into a two leaning across the desk, popping me on the head with it, saying what we're thinking. I mean, she was that kind of teacher so.
03:21
I walked in. The first week was a consult course, and I handed her the first 25 pages of the Dresden files, and she takes it, she reads it. You know, she has her. She has a red pen in hand because all she always did. Uh, she gets to the end of it goes.
03:32
The red pen down squares, the papers, pushes it back to me and says, you didn't. And I say, what? She says, you did it. This is writing off professional quality. It may not be the first thing that you sell, but you will eventually be able to sell this. Do not lose it.
03:49
And I said, uh, uh, okay, she says. Now, come back next week with an outline for the rest of it. And she met the rest of the novel.
04:01
And I hold in the next week with, uh, with an outline for a 20 book series with a three book Capstone Trilogy at the end of it, and and I started telling her all about what was going to happen, and I went on for 40 of the 45 minutes of that console, of course, and I realized she hadn't said a word the entire time.
04:17
So, I kind of stopped, and I said. So, what do you think? And I still remember looking her face. It was that look of the long-suffering teacher, who you know, who, who realizes, you know, what? I finally got this kid on board. I can't cut his legs out from under him now.
04:34
Because there was no way I was going to come out as a first time Rider and sell the 20 book series, you know, that was just not going to happen. Uh, uh, so she said. You know, Jim, I think that, uh, if you can sell a twenty book series?
04:46
You should be doing okay? And so, because you can tell me it was impossible. I, uh, I did it.
05:03
That's less about me and more about y'all. Um, because those Publishers they want your money? Uh, uh, I mean, I, I realized a long time ago that I didn't work for the Publishers I worked for, you guys. Just as that, you know. That's why I'm here. I think I better check it occasionally.
05:22
But, uh, yeah, but we're not going to do a 20 book series anymore. Uh, uh, because I've never written a story this long before, and it turns out I need a couple more, uh, so it'll be 22 books for the three book Trilogy at the end, and so we'll have you know what?
05:34
25 novels, which is five times five, very wizardly number, and uh. And we'll just roll with that. If that's okay with you all right?
05:48
So, with a large new kind of role in the upcoming series, is there a plan to introduce Harry into the Oblivion War and explore more of the archives goal. Is there okay, uh, given that that Lara is getting more involved in things? Is there a plan to introduce Harry to the Oblivion War and explore the archives roll a little bit more.
06:08
Uh, and as far as Lara's concerned, bringing a wizard into the Oblivion War is the worst thing that could possibly happen. You know, these are the people who who who are obsessed with gathering knowledge and the whole point of this. The whole point of the Oblivion War is to destroy knowledge, you know, so that so that these things will go away and Wizards aren't going to let go.
06:29
That's not who they are, uh. So, as far as as far as law is concerned, no, she is not going to want to get him involved at all.
06:42
Uh-Huh. Well, you know, and one of the one of the key components of being able to being able to participate be living more is the ability to keep a poker face. And, uh.
06:59
You can do a lot of things, but that ain't one of them, right? Right here. I figured out your publish. Uh, is it possible to do second runs with some of your earlier stuff, because finding a copy of a car could buy a copy of full moon is like twelve hundred dollars.
07:14
Yeah, yeah. Is it possible? Well, the question is, is it possible that my publisher will do a reprints of some of the earlier, uh, hardback books. And the answer to that is I don't know they're very corpority over there, you know, uh, if there's money to be made, they will?
07:32
Uh, I well. I mean, I, I, what I really want to do, is I just want to kind of put together all the screenshots of the people paying twelve hundred dollars for a hardback in full moon. Yeah, no, no, I mean, it's not just him. There's a lot of people who have.
07:45
I've went into a lot of people who've done that, uh, somebody rolled in, uh, to assigning a couple of nights ago with copies with copies of, uh, full moon, great apparel, and summer night and hardback. And I was, like, oh my, gosh, where did you get these? And he was just like I just bought him when they came out and I'm like, don't go telling people that they'll beat you up.
08:07
But uh, I suspect, uh, I suspect that there's another if there's another TV project that that will probably be about the time when something like that starts happening. Uh, uh, because that'll be the time where I'll be able to. You'll all be all down. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, yeah, uh, so I, uh, on on that thought, because somebody's going to ask that a question along the way here.
08:28
So, uh, let me let me just answer it before. The writing addressing files have. They came back to me after sci-fi was done with them. Those guys didn't even copy me a copy of the DVDs man. But anyway? But at the rise to come back, they've been out several times.
08:48
They're with the Donner company for a while. That's it's Richard Donner produced, uh, Superman Superman 2. Uh, uh, look for a while. There was Temple Hill Temple Hills production company. They're the ones who produced, uh, that Power Rangers movie that was better than really had any right to be.
09:02
Yeah. Uh, yeah, what's what's that? Um. Uh, and now, uh, the problem with the the problem with when you sell the rights at Temple Hill, they actually sold the rights. Uh, uh, and they, it was going to be, uh, an ABC High Time thing was. That was the original plan.
09:20
And then they, they wrote the script for it, and they read it. I, I'm just going to say it started off with Harry Dresden in a tequila bar in Mexico, having them run out of Chicago. Never seen one, yeah, right, I know. You, like, had this meat coop with Susan, where he bumped into her, fell on her and grabbed her boomba on accidentally.
09:39
You know, I mean, it was, I know, come on, I even I'm not that awkward. Um, uh, but uh, the and, and then they kept putting. They kept giving, giving us more and more limits on on the show, you know? So, it was, like, uh okay, well, we can't, you can't do, you can't do, uh, werewolves, because, uh, we're we were thinking about doing this werewolf thing, and you can't do vampires because we're gonna do this Brides of Dracula spin-off thing, and you can't do it.
10:06
It's like, okay, well, can we use? Can we use berries and they're, like, well, what do you mean fairies? Now that's charged. We can't do that. Uh, so that one was kind of rapidly going downhill. So, then Disney bought ABC and all the would-be deals on the on the table and got wiped off the table.
10:23
And I was, like, whew? Okay, good, and I got the rights back, and now they're out again, uh, they're with. There was somebody who see the thing when you give rights to a, uh, when you give right to sell the way you sell rights is, uh, you, they come to you, and they say, okay, we want to give you some money and that money for a limited amount of time gives us the ability to to have the right to make a show based on your stuff and when you give it to a production company, the production company packages, packages everything together into, like this package of look.
10:50
What on track and show? This would be who wants to do the work like that? That's kind of how they sell. And then it's just. It's the actual showrunner, who who actually who actually does all the work and does all the project stuff? And in this case, uh, there, I can't talk, you know, specifically openly about the deal, but I can tell you that there's the showrunner.
11:08
Uh, who read the books? Wow!
11:16
Yeah, I mean Hollywood. That's kind of unheard of. I mean, that's I thought, my gosh, um, I, I've never had him read more than one or two, and it's always the first two. Uh, uh, but this guy was what had been a fans since college, and so he was thinking about putting it together and?
11:33
Uh, uh, so he, he contacted me. We, we made the deal, you know, he, he, he put a considerable amount of money on the table, and uh, uh, he said, I want to do a three-season Arc, and I want to use this book this book and and this book as as the basis as the backbone for each season.
11:49
And then we can. We can mix in some of the some of the other, you know, the other bits of the fantasy world and and sort of one-off episodes along the way and I, I was kind of like I, I could be eating this, cuz if we get the three seasons, we're gonna be doing real good, you know, and and if there's more than after that, then we can do more after that.
12:03
But we can expand it in other parts of the world after that. And I, I thought to myself, okay, yeah, that seems like a that seems reasonable. Uh, and uh, I stopped and thought about it. And I said, well, those are the three books that I could have picked as well, you know, because they just, you know, contained some of the high points of the series.
12:18
Uh, so that's fantastic. And so, and my agent was real real pleased with with the deal that he got me because he got me a deal where I would be like an executive producer and and I would have at least a little bit of influence on the story, you know?
12:34
And, and, you know, and he was, he was real pleased. He was, like, man, we got you a Stephen King level level deal, and I was like, I'm not sure that's the flex you think it was. You know, because you know Green Mile maximum overdrive, maybe there's extremes? To that to the Stephen King, you know, Arc?
12:54
Uh, but yeah, so it's, it's possible that I mean and, and now, we're to the point where there's a script for the pilot. I read the script for the pilot. I like it, uh, uh, uh, uh, it sort of. It's sort of starting in in an in between place between a couple of books that we didn't actually get to see, play out, and that people kept asking me to see.
13:12
Uh, so that's nice. Um, and, uh, I thought, and you know it, I, I read it. I like it. The characters are kind of the characters. Almost like I envisioned it, you know, it's really sort of seemed that way, and you got to leave a little bit of room when you're doing stuff because, as it turns out, other creative people also like to to be creative.
13:33
Uh, and you've got to leave some space for the actors, and so on. But the writing's, like, really lean, and excellent, and, uh, uh, and, and I, I really love how it turned out. Uh, so if the next step after this is, you know, first, you get a deal.
13:44
Then you get a script. Then you get a pilot. And then you get the and then you get a show, and that's kind of that's kind of. The stage is the the Hooves you have to go through, so we've got the deal. We've got the script. Now, we're on the.
13:55
Do we get a pilot stage and then after after that? There will be a. Do we get a show stage, you know? So, uh, I've only gotten a script, uh, twice before that. And once I got a show, so I, I think it's about a 50 50. But uh, uh, you will still have to see what happens with that.
14:11
I don't know if there'll be a deal if there will be a deal. There won't be a deal either way. Uh, you know, I, I'm. I'm having a lot of fun, and either way, there's more interest from other folks who might also want to put things together. Uh, I can't mention their names either because you know, I'm not supposed to.
14:26
Uh, your legal legal stuff, uh, radio. Yeah, I hope. I hope I get to do the same way to all that. So, um, one of the the biggest growing genres right now is Lynn RPG, right, but mainly done, called Carl's right, right? Taking off his first, you know, a big confidence that you can do whatever.
14:45
So it it all those social media and even that conference will continue to keep up the sort of suits, right? So either, it doesn't fit into that genre, but exactly knocked about and said. And youth and two genre I, I always wanted to read the series. Now, you know, isn't there a question in here somewhere?
15:10
Have you seated that in your time using the the both side? New nature. Since that, John was kind of taking off. Oh, I, I don't think, did you hear the part about me being a Hermit earlier? I, I didn't notice anything. Man, I stayed home and I, I mean, my days, all kind of looked the same.
15:32
I, I don't know. I mean, I'm glad they lit. RBG thing has taken off. I mean it, it literally. It just takes stuff. That was always sort of underpinning stuff that you did as a writer and just makes it overt, you know, puts it on the page. Once he gets to this point, he advances, you know, uh, uh, and it just sort of makes that overt.
15:48
That's cool, uh, I actually vote. One of the first stories I wrote was the letter r p g story. You know about me and my friends getting sucked into the the D world we were playing in. Uh, uh, and, uh. But yeah, I mean, I, I'm super pleased for dinner, and I think he's done a great job.
16:02
I haven't got to read his books yet, but I got to meet him. He's a nice guy. Uh, and and as soon as I get finished with the new Lynn cookbook that I'm gonna I'm gonna read Dungeon for all, Carl, because everybody says I have to. Uh, that's interesting.
16:15
Um, as far as does it create new interest in my books. Good stories create interest and good stories, you know. But once, I don't believe that I'm in competition with any other writers. There's there's there. I, I do not have any competition out there. I only have people who spam bass might cost over, you know, and that's, you know.
16:33
So, somebody's writing a good story, and it's got, you know, it's got a good snarky and snarky protagonist. Fantastic. You know, if you're like that protagonist, perhaps they'll like Bible Jagues there? Well, that seems great. Hey, back here with the back attack. We always get a very adept description of what Harry sees from.
16:50
He still gains of people. Are we ever going to see that at the other side. Well, see, yeah, that's a good question. Yeah, we always see in depth a look of when Harry solgaz is somebody we get to hear all about it. Are we ever going to get to see, uh, uh, what banksy, when they look at drastic, and the answer is, this is the first person series, you know, it's going to be very, very hard to do that, unless Dresden goes and talks to people about it.
17:13
Can you have a little bit more emotional intelligence too? Have to clean all that off, uh. The only way it might happen is if you somehow. Uh, manages to to, you know, meet some sort of clone of himself. Which brings us to the next book Mirror Mirror. About 30 of the way done, and as soon as I get done with this tour, I'm gonna go back home and Herb it up again, uh don't I?
17:41
I love coming out. I love meeting y'all, but by the time I get done with one of these, I just want to go back to my house forever. Um, so I'm gonna go back to my house and I'm gonna sit down and go back to my production schedule. And, uh, I, I hope you have this one done by the end of the spring, so perhaps we'll see it, you know, uh, sometime early next year?
17:58
Immediately going to segue into writing the next interspires book anyway. About the end of the year, so you know, I mean, I've got, you know, I've I've got a vision? And I want to get back to where I'm writing. We're writing a couple of books a year again because I was just much happy when I was doing that.
18:15
Uh, so, and really, it's that that one's all about that one's all about just kind of, you know, putting in a little bit of steady work every day. Instead of trying to do these, you know, do these Sprints at the last minute? Uh, which I mean, that's how I got through school.
18:27
But, you know, it's really, it's. You know, it's not the sort of thing you want to do as a career. Back here, sir, with that, yes. Any chance of being a follow-up book for the Codex alert? Yeah, um. I've got, there's couple places I could go back to the Codex world, uh, the first one is, uh, I mean, the first series was humans versus Zur, so the the reasonable thing to do is to go back with the protos show up.
18:55
Uh, but the other place I might go back would be with the I do a story of. Uh, the first class of the next generation of cursors, so it'll be like the first or the first km cursor. Aaron will be running the academy with Fidelis running around in the background being Batman and and Tommy kind of being, you know, the towering figure in the background?
19:18
Um, uh, and that that might be a lot of fun to, you know, to write that up. I, I can see that being a really good time. But uh, then we can sort of see how you know how alera has changed as the results of the of the first dialogue, on the other hand, and also it's.
19:31
It would also look an awful lot like, uh, like Legend of Korra, yeah. And it was already pretty close. They were already pretty closely bumping into one another. Uh, Avatar was amazing, by the way. That was. That's another one of those, you know, very incredibly good TV shows. Uh, uh, but anyway, uh, yeah, right here.
19:49
Uh, yeah, so you said sometimes that if you had dozen Little Towers in a some sort of maniah, it was super real. No, I, I said, I would wind up a giggling villain. I mean, it.
20:15
Uh, I've only had a little bit of it. You know, I mean, I, I just, I kind of. I mean, I'm going to be honest, I got off the plane and got into it. Got into a cab and fell asleep until they got to the hotel, uh, today? So, uh, you know, I, I don't know that I've experienced all that much used in traffic.
20:27
I, I just hope we'll be able to get a get an Uber back tonight, and depending on how late it's gonna be. All right, you understand me.
20:39
Um and. Will there come behind where all the living sargons have to work together and strong? All right, here's Nicodemus starboard, and will there come a time when all the livings are going to have to work together against the outsiders. Um, and the answer to that is, I'm not going to tell either.
20:57
That's one of those questions. And if I, if I just start talking about it now, it might ruin stuff for later on. And if I, and if I, if I give you, if I give you some kind of cagey answer, then you know you might be able to derive something that's going to happen from that, and I don't want you all to be able to do that, uh, on account, because you can.
21:15
I mean, fans have figured out what's going to happen in the book. Nobody's put it all together, but they've all gotten different key critical pieces. I think this is going to happen. I think that's going to happen, you know, because, uh, I'm just wondering, and you were many nerds.
21:29
Uh, uh, and there's there's just more compute Cycles out there. You don't know, uh, let's go righty Park right back here with the glasses. Uh, one climate alcohol, he said about the Sundays is, what if it's another story off from Thomas's point of view playing it from before, where there's a couple days.
21:47
Oh yeah, that would be possible to do that way if I went to another point of view, but I wouldn't do something that important in short story. Have you made anything significant as part of Wizard gear that's based off something like that? Oh, has Harry made wizard gear based off of comic books, um?
22:11
Get out of the system when he tried to do the magic broom. Uh, you know he, he started sticking with much more safe stuff after that. Uh, I mean, there are wizards who go out and experiment, and uh, you know, sometimes you just don't see those people again. You're at the very, very back with the glasses.
22:30
Yes.
22:38
Other voices for all the characters, and I wanted to ask about that Segway games monsters inspired. When he's doing the voice recording, so the audiobooks lack of interactions like, do you tell Spike that's not the right in French? Oh God, no, no, no, no? That's what I said before about creative people who also want to be creative.
23:01
Yeah, that includes James. Furthermore, yeah, I've never told him. I, I mean, I'm not there when he's recording. And even if I was, I wouldn't tell him how to do it, uh, I mean, let me let me let me see if I can. How to put this? Um. Pre-Order copies, uh, with addressing files across.
23:22
Hardbacks and? Uh, hardbacks and electronic copies, uh, wound up to be about just a little bit over half the number of audiobook copies. That's James. No, no, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not going to walk him, bump his elbow at all. I mean, he he does. He's got my phone number so that he can call me if he needs to know how to pronounce, like one of the Latin words or something like that or the weird words.
23:56
Uh, uh, yeah, I got James Marxism myself. But uh. But yeah, he does such a fantastic job. It's sort of like, you know, when people ask me, is there anything in the books that you would want to change. You know that if you were that you would if you could going back if you could go back in time and change it.
24:15
Would you go do it and the answer to that is, oh, God, no, no, no, no, no, no things have worked out way too well. Uh, no regrets. Let's move ahead, you know, that? That's kind of. That's kind of my plan over here at The Bachelor. Oh man. Let's do next one.
24:31
Can you just don't use more so the names now? Swara, not Lara. I told him Lara. Oh, okay, all right. I'll let him know.
24:49
A lot of online and casting, who would be border? Who would be my president 1980, Harrison Ford?
25:08
I'm I'm, I'm an eighties nerd, man, I know. What can I tell you over here at the on the back of the wall with the baby? So, since you had your outline, and you know where this is ending? Yeah, are the things that you had planned that you sent deviated from based on your success.
25:28
Well, in your Band-Aid are the things that I planned that I've since deviated drone based on My Success in my fan base, uh, if I was going if I was going to a deviated from anything? Uh, what happened if Murphy wouldn't have happened? That was, that was, that was so scary to write.
25:42
As as I mean as as a writer, because I knew that there was going to be a whole bunch of people would be so furious at that. And, and then, a smaller number of people will be happy about it.
25:57
It came out five years ago. I mean, no, he thinks it basically going the way I want. More things have come in, you know, and things have happened that I, I didn't expect to happen. Uh, Butters is one of those things I didn't expect to happen. And it was, like, I mean, he was just a big block character.
26:19
I mean, he was, he was a one-off character. And did you ever see, uh, the prophecy or Christopher Walken plays Gabriel. Okay, the medical examiner and that I, I just like sin lifted him out of it. You know, I I dyed his hair black and made it made him shorter and skinny and Jewish and a polka fan and, and said, okay, you're you are going to exist in this scene because it's going to be a particularly gruesome Emmy scene, and I want somebody with a sense of humor to sort of leaven things out and lighten it up a little bit so that it just doesn't get incredibly Grim, dark, and uh, uh, and so, and I, I popped that character in.
26:51
And then, you guys liked him. Um, and so. So, and, and then, uh, after that, I realized that, uh, when I was, I was going to write. Originally, I was going to write, proven guilty, and then deadbeat was going to come after that, uh, uh. But and, and you know, Molly was already going to be Harry's Apprentice at that point, um?
27:10
But, as I was getting ready to write proven guilty, my editor called me and said, hey, what's what? What do you have in mind. For the next book, I said, oh, this is going to be a little bit quieter. It's going to be dealing, you know, kind of a more, you know, family themed and dealing with Molly.
27:22
And she's, like, yeah, you don't want to do that. And I said, I don't, she says. No, you want to write something that you want a story that's going to be a little bit heavier, a little bit a little bit firmer, a little bit more rigid and hard hitting, I said.
27:32
Are you saying, I'm going to pay are going to hardback, she says. I didn't say that. And have you assumed that it might be better for you? Yeah, and so, uh, so I realized, okay, I'm going to do this Necromancer story now, and I need I, cuz Harry always has a, you know, he always has somebody in the sidecar with it, right, uh, in every story.
27:50
There's there's one person who's pretty much sighed down, and uh, so. Uh, I thought, well, who am I going to give Harry as as, who's going to be along could be Harry's Ride Along on this one and I was thinking it over it. I'm like, okay, we're dealing with.
28:02
There's going to be necromancers and zombies and and ghosts, and all these animated corpses, and this this whole thing with the bones. And, uh, I thought to myself. Ooh, how about I take that little medical examiner from book five because he's really intelligent, yet he doesn't know anything, and he doesn't bring you hard back.
28:18
It's going to be introduced to a whole lot of new people are going to be introduced to this book. Uh, so that way I can have Butters just ask intelligent questions so that the nerds who are reading, you know, get the get the answers that they need without being undone.
28:31
And then, they'll also they'll Vibe with Butters. Is that sidekick and, and not only that, he's a medical examiner? He deals with corpses all the time, so he's thematically appropriate. And yet, no help whatsoever to dress to them. So, now that's perfect, and, and you know, and, and then, after that, you know, once I, and then, once, I was kind of flushing that character out a little bit more?
28:50
Uh, it was. It was that, then, when I realized, oh, you're staying around, okay, all right. Well, now, I have to have plans for you, and so that was when I started making plans for perhaps Steve's food. Yeah, would be a little more accurate, but, uh, hear that, yeah.
29:06
And wanted to create one of your series, and we were giving this one you didn't see, and this one would be your favorite generator ooh, it's a good question, um, if they if gainville developer came to me and said, we want to turn your series into a game, uh, uh, which one would I want it to be, and uh, uh, and which one would be my favorite?
29:27
Yeah, uh, what did they have come to me, um? Several times. There was a there was a this augmented reality Dresden Files game for a while. There was some sort of electronic. It's essentially hard game that we almost did a deal on. Uh, I, I had a fellow come to be wanting to do, uh, fortnite versions of, uh, like various different video games for each for each resident Files book, you know, so one would be you'd be writing Sue around.
29:55
And, you know, one would be fighting PV fighting various, you know, various Dark Fang and one excitement center? Um, uh, uh, let me think. The I, I would love to see codex Solera like MMORPG, although those seem to be more and more impossible to do well lately. I don't know.
