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Mab (?) in Twelve Months
« on: January 23, 2026, 03:13:21 PM »
I had a strong, negative reaction to Mab in Twelve Months so I thought I'd open a specific thread to hopefully get some thoughts and perspectives to help resolve the reactions and questions I had, including whether I misunderstood or am just wrong. 

-   Part of the plot that the book is driven by is Mab giving Dresden a task that he must complete – make peace with Etri such that the Svartelves resume their relationship with the Winter Court, once again become its armors supplier, etc.  So important is this task that Mab threatens Maggie.  Does Dresden accomplish this task?  Heck no, he instead delegates/re-assigns the task to Mab, who then does the job.  Mab has more than once in prior books been absolutely clear that Dresden is to complete whatever task she assigns him, no matter how difficult and personally distasteful.  But not here.  Why?

-   The apparent answer is that Mab was so happy that Dresden accomplished the second objective that Mab gave Dresden – Lara’s subservience – that Mab was willing to take back and perform the other objective when she  ‘granted a wish’ to Dresden.  To me, the question of why is Mab doing that still remains.   Dresden completed this second task that job Mab required.  I don’t recall Mab previously doing more than acknowledging Dresden’s success with a ‘well done’ and maybe an added word or two on how clever his solution was.  Why would Mab obligate herself so readily and so open-endedly, especially to Dresden who has attempted to escape her clutches and has proven himself to be both clever and a malcontent.  In this situation – and in light of the ensuing physical altercation with Dresden – I simply can’t believe the Mab from prior books would grant Dresden such an open-ended, risky boon simply because he basically did what Mab had told him to do.  It wasn’t as if Dresden success got Mab more than what she required, i.e., Lara’s subservience.  After all, he got no reward at all at the end of Battle Ground.  But the granting of the boon and Dresden ‘re-delegating up’ is the road to solving the ‘impossible’ task with Etri.  Kind of a cheat resolution to the conflict Butcher presented in the first few chapters.

-   With regard to the boon, how many subparts/parameters is Dresden allowed in his wish?  This adds to my thought that the boon is used as a cheat resolution to all or almost all of challenges facing Dresden – ‘Thankfully, Mab just happened to obligate herself to fulfilling a wish, and I wish that she personally resolve all of the tasks and personal challenges I have that involve third persons.”  Dresden should have added that the possibility of Dresden’s conflicts with the White Counsel, including the possibility of Dresden’s death at its hands, has always been a burden on Thomas so she must resolve that conflict as well.  I’ve admired Butcher’s resolutions to difficult problems and puzzles that he sets up in his books.  Resolving everything here with an over-expansive use of a boon uncharacteristically granted out of left field falls far short of his prior standard, IMO.


-   FWTW, if it’s all one big Triple Lindy that Mab orchestrated so that she would be the one able to bargain with the life of Thomas and Justine’s son to resolve the conflict with Etri, I don’t see the linkage between Dresden use of the boon somehow giving Mab the authority to use the infant, or that Dresden somehow could grant Mab that authority since he didn’t have such authority in his own right.

-   And separate and apart from the above the issue of Mab obligating herself openendedly to Dresden, WTH was that scene in Dresden’s bedroom?  Mab seemingly willing to have sex with Dresden, perhaps to the point where Dresden’s consent (or lack thereof) was becoming a real issue.  And then Dresden physically assaults Mab?  As the Winter Knight, how is that possible?  And even if possible, why would Mab allow it?  Just to show Dresden that he was the Winter Knight in all of its meanings?  Remember the Cold Days scene when Dresden threatened Mab with a gun?  Where is that Mab? 

But Dresden is able to and does assault Mab, and sending her flying across the room into a stone wall, breaking bones, stomping on her, etc.  No matter how pleased Mab is with Harry, all of that seemed far out of character from the Mab we’ve seen before who doesn't allow disrespect, sass, etc. from anyone, much less her vassals.  And Mab smiles throughout, seems to enjoy it.  Is Mab that self-satisfied or overjoyed in her belief that Dresden is no longer his own?  Even if so, I don’t think Mab has anything to gain by effectively rubbing Dresden’s nose in her conclusion that he's now Winter-compromised.  Where’s the gracious Mab (relatively) from conversation that she and Dresden had at the end of Battle Ground?   

-   All of which leads me to The Question - is Mab compromised by Nemesis?  Is that even Mab at that point in the book?  (Mother Winter’s later appearance would indicate it's Mab in that scene.)  I hope that there’s some explanation for Mab’s actions other than Butcher wrote himself into a corner with Thomas and the Svartelves and then had to write Dresden out of the corner by having Mab act way, way out of character (IMO, of course).  Or did I just miss something and I’m way off base here? 

Love to hear your thoughts.


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Re: Mab (?) in Twelve Months
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2026, 05:26:43 PM »
Mab can't order Harry to turn over Thomas (or Maggie). That was part of his deal in Changes. I think a lot of Man's out of character behavior was her manipulating Harry./, who we are repeatedly told and shown is not operating at his usual level.

I think the boon was offered because Mab new exactly what Harry was going to ask for. She jokingly offered Harry just about everything she has given him by tricking him into enslaving Lara. That Harry isn't going to take great advantage of that is irrelevant.

It's like most of the deals Harry makes with Mab. She ends up with what she wants and doesn't actually give him anything he didn't already have that she didn't want anyway.

And she gets to say, you asked for it.

As I read the book, the sleep with Lara, sleep with Lara train Mab was on seemed off to me. I figured it wasn't what Mab actually wanted because how well have direct orders like that worked out before?

I did think the Thomas's blood relative having to be sacrificed as a solution was going to end up being the end of Lord Raith.

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Re: Mab (?) in Twelve Months
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2026, 06:29:35 PM »
I see it this way. If Molly knows what Harry is thinking because of the mantle then so does mab and on top of it she knows what Molly thinks Harry would do as well. She also knows that it's going to be a life for a life. Harry would never trade a baby or give up his brother so he would probably go to war by himself if necessary. But now mab has the white court, she repaired her problem with her weapons maker, she has a new outsider to interrogate and Harry Laura and Thomas all believing that if it wasn't for mab all 3 of them and the baby would have been dead. And on top of it Harry got mother winter to stop annoying mab about getting a better knight. But none of this could have happened if Harry didn't have to fix it to begin with. I could see mab giving it to him so she could put the pieces where they needed to be. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr sunshine didn't help her put it all together
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Re: Mab (?) in Twelve Months
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2026, 07:58:03 PM »
I agree with Bad Alias, I think Mab "out of character" moments are what she needs to do to manipulate Dresden. He is not in a good mental state in this book, otherwise he would have realized what Mab was doing. I mean, I realize Lara was becoming an addict as soon as she said she had not eaten in a week. And when Mab threaten to kill Justine? Harry knew he has asked for them to be safe and Mab had agreed, so WTH did he believe her threat? He should have known it was a ruse to make Thomas willing to live and recover. But Harry was stupid once again, because he is tired, especially emotionally.

So, one reason I see for the boon is that Harry cannot complain. He asked for it and she gave him what he asked for. It is not her fault he did not specified that Thomas kept the child or something. We know Harry will blame himself and not her.

I also thought Lord Raith would be what Etri would get (for a while I was worried Eb would be the one paying the price, tbh).
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Re: Mab (?) in Twelve Months
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2026, 08:28:26 PM »
I also thought Lord Raith would be what Etri would get (for a while I was worried Eb would be the one paying the price, tbh).
At one point, I thought a solution for Harry was to have Mab marry Thomas. It would have achieved her stated goals of alliance. Her unstated goal was control.

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Re: Mab (?) in Twelve Months
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2026, 09:22:22 PM »
Nice.
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