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Re: Twelve Months, chapter one
« Reply #60 on: January 03, 2026, 01:24:12 PM »

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Re: Twelve Months, chapter one
« Reply #61 on: January 03, 2026, 02:49:05 PM »
Possible cure for Thomas?  Interesting that he is now sleeping or in an induced coma, last we heard of him he was screaming suffering from every crime he had ever committed.

Thomas was done with the screaming and dozing before Lara hit the beach back in Peace Talks.

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I felt what my brother felt. Which was not much. There was distant pain, but mostly he had simply sunk into an exhausted stupor. His mind had been overwhelmed by physical stimuli. Now he sought blessed shelter in oblivion. “He’s . . . unconscious.”

Which is amazing. Certainly didn't take too long for Thomas to get through all the pain he'd caused others.

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« Reply #62 on: January 03, 2026, 05:40:50 PM »
Given he spent a lot of his Whamp life trying not to be a monster, yeah, that isn't hard to believe.

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« Reply #63 on: January 03, 2026, 06:03:48 PM »
Wow, Chicago is really screwed up with no power.  Very dystopian, however this aspect seems to be the least realistic and seems very off to me.  Yeah, I understand it's a fantasy, but the rest of the country is humming along, so where is FEMA? Maybe I missed something, it was a quick skim.

Jim has made jokes about how he's being watched by the government because of his research into the effects of an EMP on a major American city. Combining that with living on the Gulf Coast with hurricanes my whole life, I find it pretty believable.

There are some parts I think would be different. The part I find hardest to believe is that many of the streets wouldn't have been made passable by the people of Chicago. Pushing cars to the side of the road isn't that hard. It depends on how much the roads were blocked by debris from the battle. The highways would be harder to make passable, though. If streets were passable, it would be pretty easy to evacuate large numbers of people. Even without the roads being cleared, it's not that hard to walk out of a disaster area.

It would take a while to clear streets. The 82nd Airborne's engineers cleared about five and a half streets a day after Katrina.

The city would probably be a ghost town. New Orleans was 90% evacuated before Katrina and the population was halved by the evacuation. Over half the people just didn't come back.

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« Reply #64 on: January 04, 2026, 01:11:42 AM »
This has become highly politicised so I wonder if this is stalling cleanup?
I have no experience in this type of city post apocalypse clean up so I feel it’s been pretty accurate.

I also think Jim uses Chicago recovery and Harry’s healing as a metaphor through the book

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Re: Twelve Months, chapter one
« Reply #65 on: January 04, 2026, 02:42:49 PM »
Thomas was done with the screaming and dozing before Lara hit the beach back in Peace Talks.

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Which is amazing. Certainly didn't take too long for Thomas to get through all the pain he'd caused others.

Not exactly in my opinion, an exhausted stupor isn't exactly getting through the pain he caused others.  It's more of he was in such bad physical shape that his body and mind has checked out in order for him to survive.

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I felt what my brother felt, which wasn't much.  There was distant pain, but mostly he had sunk into an exhausted stupor.  His mind had been overwhelmed by physical stimuli.  Now he sought blessed shelter in oblivion.  "He's. . .unconscious.

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Jim has made jokes about how he's being watched by the government because of his research into the effects of an EMP on a major American city. Combining that with living on the Gulf Coast with hurricanes my whole life, I find it pretty believable.

There are some parts I think would be different. The part I find hardest to believe is that many of the streets wouldn't have been made passable by the people of Chicago. Pushing cars to the side of the road isn't that hard. It depends on how much the roads were blocked by debris from the battle. The highways would be harder to make passable, though. If streets were passable, it would be pretty easy to evacuate large numbers of people. Even without the roads being cleared, it's not that hard to walk out of a disaster area.

It would take a while to clear streets. The 82nd Airborne's engineers cleared about five and a half streets a day after Katrina.

The city would probably be a ghost town. New Orleans was 90% evacuated before Katrina and the population was halved by the evacuation. Over half the people just didn't come back.

There machinery and vehicles were still operational after Katrina.  That makes a huge difference!  The impression I got from the book was cars weren't working.  It sounded like Chicago was more like the aftermath of an F5 tornado than the flooding that happened after Katrina.  To clear destroyed  buildings takes heavy equipment.
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Re: Twelve Months, chapter one
« Reply #66 on: January 04, 2026, 03:25:45 PM »
It's like all that magic that got thrown around ruined all the electronics.

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Re: Twelve Months, chapter one
« Reply #67 on: January 04, 2026, 08:29:36 PM »
There machinery and vehicles were still operational after Katrina.  That makes a huge difference!
That was my point. That clean up is pretty difficult in a familiar disaster, much less one we aren't prepared for. That the depiction was realistic. I just think side streets would be relatively easy to clear. All the cars in the way would have been in drive when the electronics gave out. They could just be pushed aside to get at least one lane clear. That would probably have been a top priority for people who needed those streets.

But the population would be drastically lowered (but Jim wrote that part differently than I think would have been the case), so who knows if there would be people to clear the street? That's why I said it's the part I found least believable, not unbelievable. It's arguably how it would happen. I just don't think so.

The overall destruction of, and inability to replace, infrastructure is very believable. The degradation of infrastructure after the disaster is believable. The continued pile up of more garbage is believable. It took at least twelve months to clear the debris after Katrina.

I cite Katrina because it's the only example of a major disaster hitting a modern big city I have any familiarity with. And New Orleans is very small compared to Chicago.

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Re: Twelve Months, chapter one
« Reply #68 on: January 04, 2026, 11:18:33 PM »
That’s really interesting.and super intense. I had heard there were areas years after still not cleaned after Katrina

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Re: Twelve Months, chapter one
« Reply #69 on: January 05, 2026, 12:12:14 AM »
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« Reply #70 on: January 05, 2026, 12:25:07 AM »
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« Reply #71 on: January 05, 2026, 01:17:32 AM »
I have a better idea: why not give them
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Re: Twelve Months, chapter one
« Reply #72 on: January 05, 2026, 03:42:15 AM »
That’s really interesting.and super intense. I had heard there were areas years after still not cleaned after Katrina
People are still having problems. A lot of the rebuilding for the poor was done with materials that had never been used before in a hot and humid environment. Problems started almost immediately. The population was still more than 20% lower than it was before Katrina.

Galveston Texas hasn't recovered from the Storm of 1900. Houston took over as the leading port in the area.

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Re: Twelve Months, chapter one
« Reply #73 on: January 05, 2026, 08:56:02 AM »
That's so interesting and sad to know people in that area are still struggling. Why use materials in climates that haven't been used before? Insane.

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Re: Twelve Months, chapter one
« Reply #74 on: January 05, 2026, 09:16:18 AM »
Why use materials in climates that haven't been used before? Insane.
Committees and politics. Think personal or departmental rivalry politics, not partisan politics. The sort of thing that happens when a group of people are spending another groups money for a third group, and the only group with much say so is the group spending the money and they want to try out all their "great" ideas.

I knew the designs would be bad aesthetically before I saw the first one. I never considered that the architects didn't know what materials to use.