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Re: Harry Dresden's New Apprentice!!?!
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2025, 01:42:17 PM »
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Absolutely not all of Lasciel's -- not a literal Fallen Angel -- maybe all of the Shadow's knowlege.

Yes, the Shadow did in my opinion, the Shadow was Lasciel in Harry's head.  That's why resisting it once that happened was such a big deal.

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But I'm pretty sure Bonea won't suddenly become (for example) Harry's Guide to the Starborn Phenomenon; I do expect she'll have some highly-pertninent Starborn-relevant info, though!
 

In my opinion it doesn't matter whether she becomes Harry's guide about Starborn Phenomenon, he needs the information, that's important, but not as important as what Harry does with that information.  However the main thing Bonea has to do is grow up or at least mature a bit.  As she is presently, she is a pretty useless character, which begs the question, why all the drama over a half dozen books or more to end up with what? A brilliant, yet totally scatter brained, I further submit potentially dangerous toddler spirit?  Is the joke on Harry, or us?
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Re: Harry Dresden's New Apprentice!!?!
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2025, 09:20:31 AM »
You have to understand, it's implied from what Lash said at the end of White Night that she (and by extension Bonnie) has a great deal of information that is integral to the metaplot and can't be revealed just yet because it would make Harry's life to easy.

So instead she gets to be a genius with all the answers that is simultaneously too dumb to realize she has to hand them out until the last 3 chapters of whatever book they become relevant in.

Just as an example, she 99% knows all about what a starborn is, she can probably tell Harry exactly what Nick's been up to, may well have a bunch of information about what the Black Council has been up to...

Like, she has to be useless, or we don't get a story.
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Re: Harry Dresden's New Apprentice!!?!
« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2025, 02:49:19 PM »
You have to understand, it's implied from what Lash said at the end of White Night that she (and by extension Bonnie) has a great deal of information that is integral to the metaplot and can't be revealed just yet because it would make Harry's life to easy.

So instead she gets to be a genius with all the answers that is simultaneously too dumb to realize she has to hand them out until the last 3 chapters of whatever book they become relevant in.

Just as an example, she 99% knows all about what a starborn is, she can probably tell Harry exactly what Nick's been up to, may well have a bunch of information about what the Black Council has been up to...

Like, she has to be useless, or we don't get a story.

That only works for so long, because it then becomes boring, so she has to be taught to think, hence Bonea becomes an apprentice!  No, it won't happen over night, but it needs to happen as a check on Marcone/Namshiel.  Also making Harry suffer also is getting a bit old, that is becoming all to predictable, and boring.

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Re: Harry Dresden's New Apprentice!!?!
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2025, 04:40:19 PM »
You have to understand, it's implied from what Lash said at the end of White Night that she (and by extension Bonnie) has a great deal of information that is integral to the metaplot and can't be revealed just yet because it would make Harry's life to easy.

So instead she gets to be a genius with all the answers that is simultaneously too dumb to realize she has to hand them out until the last 3 chapters of whatever book they become relevant in.

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Like, she has to be useless, or we don't get a story.

I think this is exactly correct.  Harry has to be kept ignorant, or he cannot be the investigator-protagonist.


... Just as an example, she 99% knows all about what a starborn is, she can probably tell Harry exactly what Nick's been up to, may well have a bunch of information about what the Black Council has been up to...
I don't think it's at all certain that Bonea knows everything Lash knew... but if she knows just half of what the Shadow knew, that'd be a huge trove of new data for Harry!  I kind of think Lash knew she could only send part of herself forward as Bonea, and tried to curate for Harry to have access to the most-useful bits; but OTOH there's also the likelihood that there may have been too much chaos & unpredictability to the event, and Lash couldn't control things completely that way.

I'm pretty certain that Lasciel's Shadow knew vastly less than what Lasciel herself knew!  The "Shadow" is an imprint within a mortal mind:  I don't think Angelic-scale knowledge fits in there!   ;D

But, as for finding out Nic (and Anduriel's) actions/agenda:  Bonea can only know what Lash knew, who can only know what Lasciel knew.  And we already have seen secrets & infighting between the Denarians... I'm pretty sure there are exactly zero other Denarians who have an accurate understanding of Anduriel's plans.

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Re: Harry Dresden's New Apprentice!!?!
« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2025, 04:50:07 PM »
Yes, the Shadow did in my opinion, the Shadow was Lasciel in Harry's head...

The Shadow wasn't actual Lasciel, nor Lasciel's presence.

It was a construct; built by Lasciel, but then independent & disconnected from the Fallen angel.
 

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Re: Harry Dresden's New Apprentice!!?!
« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2025, 08:57:11 PM »
The Shadow wasn't actual Lasciel, nor Lasciel's presence.

It was a construct; built by Lasciel, but then independent & disconnected from the Fallen angel.
I have to disagree on that, time will tell who is right on that or we both are wrong, or right..
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Re: Harry Dresden's New Apprentice!!?!
« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2025, 12:00:59 AM »

The reason I mention this is because I think Mort Lindquist would be more suited to act as a mentor to Fitz, seeing as Mort can interact with ghosts he could give Fitz much more practical advice then Harry.  However, if Mortimer is one of those side characters who didn't survive the Battle of Chicago, then Fitz becoming Harry's apprentice makes more sense. 

If this were to be the case, I could see Fitz eventually contacting Mort's ghost, thus getting a new teacher from beyond.  Fitz wouldn't be a long-term apprentice and could take Mort's place if Dresden needs some ghostly knowledge in a future novel.  Seeing as this is a novella and not a full novel, it makes sense Harry's new apprentice; whoever it may be, isn't an apprentice for more than the duration of the story.
Don't laugh too hard, you could be right about Faith Astor.

We know that Mort survived from the Good People short story. Molly mentions that there was some issues with the present delivery including Mort summoning the ghost of Bruce Lee to karate chop whoever was trying to deliver his gifts.

I do not believe it will be Faith Astor because there is a WOJ that Faith shows up to kick off the Apocalyptic Trilogy. Jim stated that he liked the symmetry of having Faith kicking off the beginning of the Dresden stories and the end of the stories.

Put me down for the kid from the zoo as the apprentice. I think that Harry would see a lot of parallels between how this kid got started with magic and himself and want to take him under his wing. Also to provide a good example to his daughter about following things through.


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Re: Harry Dresden's New Apprentice!!?!
« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2025, 03:07:15 PM »
I think the title tells you where the apprentice is coming from. It's 1 of his new in-laws. It's what makes the most sense. If the apprentice was straight human it would be a pissing match with the WC because Harry isn't part of the wc anymore. And you know that the merlin would make it a "public" complaint to Mab. But if it's part of the marriage process. To bring him into the family. Maybe (thought I don't think it is) Thomas's sister has talent and can't sit on the sidelines even though she didn't turn. That's the kind of thing Jim likes to do to Harry. It would give Harry something to feel guilty about how Thomas will react if he ever gets him back
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Re: Harry Dresden's New Apprentice!!?!
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2025, 11:20:57 PM »
... If the apprentice was straight human it would be a pissing match with the WC because Harry isn't part of the wc anymore. And you know that the merlin would make it a "public" complaint to Mab ...
It's not like Harry's gonna "register" his new apprentice!  The WC has already proven itself unable to track down newly emerging potential apprentices; how closely can they afford to watch Harry?

But then... Harry's still a mortal, and a wizard.  Mab will ask, "Are you claiming, as the White Council of Wizards and signatories of the Unseelie Accords, that you have authority over my Winter Knight?"

Because ultimately, that's the claim the WC would be making:  that they're in charge of what Harry does/doesn't do (that Harry doesn't get to have/train an apprentice).

That claim isn't likely to carry much weight when Mab shows up wearing black.

... Maybe (thought I don't think it is) Thomas's sister has talent and can't sit on the sidelines even though she didn't turn. That's the kind of thing Jim likes to do to Harry. It would give Harry something to feel guilty about how Thomas will react if he ever gets him back
Ooooh, Inari!  That's another interesting option!
I like it, indeed.

I still think Fitz fits better.  We know he has some level of magic.  I like Harry looping back to him, to give him a bit of testing & training... but eventually passing him off to Morty as the better teacher for Fitz's talents (and this giving him the idea of leveraging the Paranet (and the array of minor talents & sheer number of clued-in observers therein) in an organized fashion to find/train new & emergent talents & prevent them from turning warlock).