The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Out Law, novella (?)
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 10, 2025, 03:52:27 AM ---Yes, he does like to be his own man and also likes his power and his own little empire. Namshiel will have to manage him so that Marcone believes he is calling the shots. This basically is what Andriel has done with Nic, he buys that it is an equal partnership. Something Harry never bought when Lasciel offered it, but will Marcone see through it?
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Namshiel's character and motivation is an area I'm actually quite curious about. What we saw of him in SmF as one of the Fallen who dominates the host and was pretty firmly in Tessa's camp seems contradictory to later WoJ that he's basically the magic nerd and a bit of a loner from the other Fallen who mostly just wants to refine his experiments. The latter sounds like he would have been a pretty good fit for Harry, if Nic had had his coin available instead of Lasciel's.
Then again, he also got pretty badly burned by Tessa and Rosanna - they betrayed him and left him to be un-hosted. I think they were hoping he'd stay coin-bound as long as possible in the assumption he was nem-fected, as cover for one or both of them being the actual 'Judas' as Nic put it.
Is he long-gaming a plan to dominate Marcone, or has he made a strategic choice that his bridges are well and truly burned with the other 29, and an actual alliance with Marcone is in his interest?
g33k:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on September 18, 2025, 03:17:45 PM --- ... What we saw of him in SmF as one of the Fallen who dominates the host and was pretty firmly in Tessa's camp seems contradictory to later WoJ that he's basically the magic nerd and a bit of a loner from the other Fallen who mostly just wants to refine his experiments ...
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I think sometimes the Fallen end up with a largely-useless host, from their own POV. I suppose that might be just a mistake/mis-estimation on their part, or ignorance (being essentially blind and deaf in their coins, possibly unable to discern the qualities of their potential host).
These hosts can't help the Fallen in any way, advance their agenda, etc; instead they can only drag them down.
When we first met Thorny, he may have been burdened with such a host, and gone "fuck it, just gonna need to meatpuppet this one." Thorny may simply have found a more-apt partnership with Marcone.
Similarly, I suspect that alliances amongst the Fallen are kind of fluid and context-dependent; Thorny (I suspect) wasn't "firmly" in Tessa's camp, he was there as a matter of convenience or opportunity, maybe for a specific project with a shared agenda, etc. He may even have been a spy in Tessa's camp, passing info to another of the Fallen.
Dina:
Yes. I imagine the relationship Fallen-host is more complex than what we first imagined. I wonder if Marcone took some safe measures. Perhaps he found how to make a special, safer deal, or something. Marcone is a real impressive person and he has a lot of recourses, so he could have found things your average host could never know.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Yes. I imagine the relationship Fallen-host is more complex than what we first imagined. I wonder if Marcone took some safe measures. Perhaps he found how to make a special, safer deal, or something. Marcone is a real impressive person and he has a lot of recourses, so he could have found things your average host could never know.
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I think Namshiel is going to find himself having similar problems to the ones that Lasciel had with Harry. The reasons might be slightly different, but the outcomes could very well be the same. Because of that first soul gaze, Harry was immediately put on his guard after he realized what was in his head. Harry prides himself on his will, and it is very strong whether it is because he is star born or not who knows? Because of his will Harry was able to use Lasciel and remain himself, though it was a close thing. It wasn't to Murphy confronted him as to how he seemed to be changing that Harry realized it as well, after that Lasciel got nowhere. Point of fact, Harry turned the tables and the Shadow became Lash. In Marcone's case, he took up the coin I imagine for power. Ever since Harry blew the door off his bar I think Marcone has lusted to have the power of a wizard. Marcone wants more than that though, he remains a mob boss, he wants to call the shots. I think we saw some of that in Battle Ground, saving Harry was more a Marcone call and not a Namshiel call. Also if Marcone ultimately rejects the coin, will his wizard skills remain?
Dina:
I suspect without the coin Marcone would have less raw power, but he would be a wizard still, because he would have learnt how to do magic. He would be one of those wizards with much more finesse than raw power.
BUT, I actually don't think we would see Marcone rejecting the coin. I would guess JB is planning to have coin-host Marcone as a key player in the BAT. Just my bet, at least.
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