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"Twelve Months" Cover Released
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 27, 2025, 01:10:07 PM --- ... So Kemmler might have originally gotten the job because of both will and talent, but when it became clear as to why he wanted the job and he tried to use the powers of the island that were not designed for what he wanted, Alfed simply fired and removed him ...
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IIRC, Jim has said that the WC spent a large amount of time & effort keeping Kemmler off the island & away from the power there; it was a primary strategic objective of theirs.
I don't think the spirit got a "name" per se from Kemmler, but also didn't need to "remove" him, because the WC kept him off the island.
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on July 28, 2025, 02:13:35 AM ---IIRC, Jim has said that the WC spent a large amount of time & effort keeping Kemmler off the island & away from the power there; it was a primary strategic objective of theirs.
I don't think the spirit got a "name" per se from Kemmler, but also didn't need to "remove" him, because the WC kept him off the island.
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However that really tells us nothing does it? Tells us nothing of how Kemmler got the job in the first place.. Nor does it tell us what happened to the Warden before him. It doesn't tell us why Kemmler wanted the job. Kemmler was a real bad ass, if he understood everything connected to the island.. I imagine he wanted to draw power from it's leyline.. In which case you'd think the White Council would have a very difficult time keeping Kemmler away from the island, if he was determined to go there. Also Kemmler would know if he stepped foot on it, he could keep anyone and everyone off of it. I doubt that Kemmler would have given the spirit a name, that seems to be a Harry Dresden thing. I also would like to know the reason why Rashid cannot step on the island..
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 28, 2025, 02:37:55 AM --- ... Tells us nothing of how Kemmler got the job in the first place ...
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I expect Kemmler punched it in the nose, and then they were friends.
That's how Harry (says he) did it.
--- Quote from: Mira on July 28, 2025, 02:37:55 AM --- ... It doesn't tell us why Kemmler wanted the job ...
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coughCoughpowercoughCough
I'm sure if we crowdsource possible motivations, we can figure out what Kemmler wanted.
--- Quote from: Mira on July 28, 2025, 02:37:55 AM --- ... In which case you'd think the White Council would have a very difficult time keeping Kemmler away from the island, if he was determined to go there. Also Kemmler would know if he stepped foot on it, he could keep anyone and everyone off of it ...
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Exactly. On the island, Kemmler could have stood-off the entire White Council... and yawned while doing it.
But he needed to be there to do it; without the island's power, he can't get to the island. Frustration, thy name is Kemmler!
Dina:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 27, 2025, 01:10:07 PM ---I agree, Alfred cannot have free will, he cannot decide who is put in prison or who goes free. I believe there are a set of rules somewhere that the original Merlin set down for the island when he created it. It's Alfred's job to enforce those rules. It obeys It's Warden in all things unless It's Warden tries to violate the laws governing the island, then it is Alfred's job to stop the Warden from violating those rules even if it means killing him or her. Alfred doesn't have a choice in the matter, anymore that it couldn't run many of the security protocols or arrest and imprison any monster on it's own.. It requires a living breathing thinking Warden with free will to do those things. Without a Warden, certain fail safe measures fall into place but Alfred has no control over those.. It said as much at the end of Ghost Story when it expressed relief to finally have a master again to run things that it cannot. Back to Kemmler, there was a time when he might not have been evil when he was suitable to be Warden.. Or alternatively, since Alfred isn't into moral judgements, maybe the only requirements for Warden is strength of will and talent?
However if that Warden has evil inclinations and violates or tries to violate the rules of the island, Alfred can end his or her tenue. So Kemmler might have originally gotten the job because of both will and talent, but when it became clear as to why he wanted the job and he tried to use the powers of the island that were not designed for what he wanted, Alfed simply fired and removed him.. Alfred cannot advertise for a new Warden, and after the close call with Kemmler the White Council hasn't been inclined to send a new candidate, satisfied that the automated protections with a little management would keep it's secrets safe.
A secret that totally backfired when Harry, totally clueless as to what the island's purpose really was, decided to make it his own.
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Yes, I agree with this.
And, like you, I wonder why Rashid cannot enter the island. I see 3 main ways
a) Because he is the Gatekeeper (I think this is the most probable).
b) Because he is a Senior Council Member (we don't know, perhaps they can't go there, so they cannot be near the prisoners)
c) Because something he individually did (I think this could be the most interesting, but also the most improbable).
Mira:
--- Quote ---But he needed to be there to do it; without the island's power, he can't get to the island. Frustration, thy name is Kemmler!
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You really think that Kemmler couldn't have figured out or found one of "the Ways" to the island? Or simply rented a boat once he was Warden?
--- Quote --- coughCoughpowercoughCough
I'm sure if we crowdsource possible motivations, we can figure out what Kemmler wanted.
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Which is kind of the point isn't it? If that is what he really wanted, Kemmler could have gotten it. All these pronouncements at conventions sound so cool, everyone loves them and we speculate endlessly on them, but it isn't written down.. Some of it makes no sense if you care to think about it in terms of the story.
--- Quote ---I expect Kemmler punched it in the nose, and then they were friends.
That's how Harry (says he) did it.
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Not that simple though is it, because we know Harry's motives, it's like he was looking for a short cut and bushwacked though some brush, got his short cut but found out later it was all poison ivy he cut through.. Kemmler would have been much more delibrate about it and had a goal in mind when he did it.. Power sounds cool, but to what end?
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