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Tinfoil hat:

--- Quote from: Mira on June 16, 2025, 12:09:22 PM ---I think there is a lot of truth in all of this.  There are a lot of assumptions of many what a star born is, Drakul and Listens seem to fit that mold, Harry doesn't.  Margaret was a very clever woman, she realized that because of his protection that she couldn't kill Lord Raith with her death curse, but she discovered a significant weakness that would render him pretty impotent, starvation.  Likewise I believe based on what Lash told Harry, she knew that it would take another star born to battle the Enemy in the BAT, but it wasn't until she met Malcolm and fell in love with him that she decided to conceive one.  Like preventing Lord Raith the ability to feed was the key to her curse, conceiving a star child with Malcolm's "good heart" or nature is key to defeating the Enemy.  It's this basic trait in his personality that pulls Harry up short when he strays too far to the dark side or into normal star born behavior..  At this time however neither side really understands this, they just make assumptions that Harry is, ergo this is how he is..

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So far Harry is an anomaly amongst the Starborn we have met and i think Malcom is the key to that. Its Malcolm's nature that Harry inherited keeps him good. Which is part of the reason why I think Malcom was a plant by Uriel. Not a supernatural being though just a normal guy who is good. Good in the best way possible and good in its everyday form. That shows Harry the way and keeps him from becoming like the other starborn

Mira:

--- Quote ---So far Harry is an anomaly amongst the Starborn we have met and i think Malcom is the key to that. Its Malcolm's nature that Harry inherited keeps him good. Which is part of the reason why I think Malcom was a plant by Uriel. Not a supernatural being though just a normal guy who is good. Good in the best way possible and good in its everyday form. That shows Harry the way and keeps him from becoming like the other starborn

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While Eb never said that Malcolm was a plant by Uriel.  I do believe that Eb had soul gazed him to know who this guy was his daughter was so potty over.  Eb said that Malcolm had as good a soul as he had ever seen.

peterwiggin94:

--- Quote ---So far Harry is an anomaly amongst the Starborn we have met and i think Malcom is the key to that. Its Malcolm's nature that Harry inherited keeps him good. Which is part of the reason why I think Malcom was a plant by Uriel. Not a supernatural being though just a normal guy who is good. Good in the best way possible and good in its everyday form. That shows Harry the way and keeps him from becoming like the other starborn
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I love this idea. I think it's completely within Uriel's wheelhouse and strategy to have a Starborn, wizard-to-be raised by a kind person that can also teach their child about basic misdirection and tricks. Having someone like that just kind of hanging around could be a massive force for good.

Talby16:

--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on June 17, 2025, 07:23:43 AM ---So far Harry is an anomaly amongst the Starborn we have met and i think Malcom is the key to that. Its Malcolm's nature that Harry inherited keeps him good. Which is part of the reason why I think Malcom was a plant by Uriel. Not a supernatural being though just a normal guy who is good. Good in the best way possible and good in its everyday form. That shows Harry the way and keeps him from becoming like the other starborn

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--- Quote from: peterwiggin94 on June 17, 2025, 04:13:26 PM ---I love this idea. I think it's completely within Uriel's wheelhouse and strategy to have a Starborn, wizard-to-be raised by a kind person that can also teach their child about basic misdirection and tricks. Having someone like that just kind of hanging around could be a massive force for good.

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How much agency does Uriel have in a situation like this? I can see that he could make Malcom and Maggie Sr's paths cross, but could he go deeper? How much could he have directed Malcom to Maggie Sr? At some point it may start to interfere with free will. As I understand it, Uriel can't interfere with free will. Therefore, he couldn't force Malcom to upend his life to put him on a collision course with Maggie Sr. Was tweaking the circumstances enought to guarantee a meeting? Is a chance meeting enough to cause them to fall in love? So many questions....

Mira:

--- Quote ---How much agency does Uriel have in a situation like this? I can see that he could make Malcom and Maggie Sr's paths cross, but could he go deeper? How much could he have directed Malcom to Maggie Sr? At some point it may start to interfere with free will. As I understand it, Uriel can't interfere with free will. Therefore, he couldn't force Malcom to upend his life to put him on a collision course with Maggie Sr. Was tweaking the circumstances enought to guarantee a meeting? Is a chance meeting enough to cause them to fall in love? So many questions....

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Uriel can't mess with free will..  He can perhaps bring two people to the dance floor, but he cannot make them dance with one another..

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