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Two plus two is Starborn
Talby16:
--- Quote from: peterwiggin94 on May 26, 2025, 01:16:00 PM ---As much as it disagrees with my own hypothesis, Harry developing future sight would explain several of these. Molly's description of "fun time handcuffs" feels the most like a possible coincidence. The other two are possible cases of Harry's future sight especially Cold Days. That one includes several cases of timey wimey shenanigans so Harry having minor examples of future would make sense. Plus, Harry's first example of future sight involved the island so it seems likely that he would have minor examples involving it.
However, I still prefer my theory (all credit to OP) because Jim dropping hints about Nemesis's telepathy just feels so cool to me.
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A small bounce off of what you said. Another possibility is some resonance with Harry's time travel. We know in a future book that he will be revisiting prior events. Maybe his presence in the past with his future knowledge combines with something like his Sight to allow him to pick those phrases up in the past from his future self's presence.
Mira:
Or Harry's foes are reading his mind and mocking him by repeating back to him what he said. Remember defense against that isn't the best for members of the White Council, as Harry found out against Corpsetaker. After he and Molly practiced secretly their defenses got a bit better and you may see less of Harry's words being repeated back to him. The part about the time travel bit that doesn't quite fit is Harry is usually saying those alone.. Also they just might be common sayings for that group of people... As in when Harry said about getting to be the Merlin by collecting bottle caps sounds like it might be a pretty common saying among the younger wizards especially. "Fun time in handcuffs," could also be another be it sick common saying.
Dina:
I agree with the fact that it could be just coincidences (common sayings among some people) but not about the option of mocking enemies. It would be too much of a risk to do that, as Harry could notice.
g33k:
--- Quote from: peterwiggin94 on May 22, 2025, 06:02:10 PM --- ... First, we know that Justine was Nemfected and had to be infected by someone ...
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Actually, we don't know Justine "had to be infected by someone." We have no viable nor exhaustive list of Nemvectors; person-to-person spread may not even be one of them! IIRC, we don't know of any person-to-person transfers. Lea got Nemfected by Morgana's Athame (not by a "person" but by a "cursed item"), and I think that's the only Nemfection whose provenance we know precisely (tho there's plenty of WAGs about others).
--- Quote from: peterwiggin94 on May 22, 2025, 06:02:10 PM --- ... Maeve being Nemfected a strong possibility given that she almost blew up Demonreach and that was the explicit goal of Nemesis in Battle Ground. She was also the very first target of the Starborn Winter Knight.
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No, we 100% know for sure that Maeve was Nemfected; that's why Mab ordered her killed. We know it came from Lea, though not precisely how.
Maeve wanted to beat Mab, to outmaneuver her and take away what she valued. Nemesis gave Maeve some degree of free will, and choice; much more than other Fae. Unlike all the others, Maeve could lie (not just mislead & misdirect and slice the truth so fine it was almost invisible, but blatantly and knowingly speak an un-truth); Maeve's dying words were, "two plus two is five" (which, when you think about it, is really rather pathetic: a trivial little nothingburger lie, petty braggadocio... but also 100% proof that she had Something Big enabling her to violate one of the fundamentals of Faerie).
Lea "spread it to Maeve" (Mab's own words) somehow... but Lea still had the Athame, so could easily have been the proximate source of Maeve's Nemfection, as well as Lea's!
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How did Aurora get Nemfected? We have WAGs, but canon is unclear on anything beyond that it happened.
How did Cat Sith get Nemfected? He was "taken" somehow (and just how TF do you "take" a critter like Cat Sith, who's competent & stealthy enough to remove elite sidhe warriors without neighboring elite sidhe warriors even noticing??!?), but we don't know the details of actually passing Nemesis to him.
etc.
Looping back to Justine, however...
My best bet is that her Nemfection happened somewhere in the White Court. There is a LOT of Outsider influence / presence amongst the Whampires, and I'm betting it was "someone... or something" who Nemfected her there, with my first guess being something in the private "Starborn/Outsider Apocalypse" collection of Raith Père, after she began acting as Lara's personal assistant. (On a slight tangent: I further WAG that the substantive Outsider problems amongst the Whamps is Mab's "main" motivation in contracting a marriage between her Starborn-Wizard Winterknight, and White Princess Lara).
I don't discount @Mira's theory, though, that Justine was a deep plant: Nemfected before we first met her, worming her way into Thomas' affections, in order to get to Harry. This is my own 2nd-favorite theory.
Talby16:
--- Quote from: g33k on June 05, 2025, 10:46:54 PM ---Actually, we don't know Justine "had to be infected by someone." We have no viable nor exhaustive list of Nemvectors; person-to-person spread may not even be one of them! IIRC, we don't know of any person-to-person transfers. Lea got Nemfected by Morgana's Athame (not by a "person" but by a "cursed item"), and I think that's the only Nemfection whose provenance we know precisely (tho there's plenty of WAGs about others).
No, we 100% know for sure that Maeve was Nemfected; that's why Mab ordered her killed. We know it came from Lea, though not precisely how.
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We know that infection is not simple. Otherwise, why did the White Court vector (whatever it was) not go after Lara? They got to Justine and theoretically should have been a step closer to getting Lara. As far as we know, Lara is free from infection. It is not as simple as person to person because then Justine should have been able to infect Lara while serving as her personal assistant. I assume that at some point we will learn the whole story. My guess is that Harry/Lara will capture Justine and in the process of trying to cure her interrogate her to learn more and fill in some of the gaps in their knowledge.
--- Quote from: g33k on June 05, 2025, 10:46:54 PM ---My best bet is that her Nemfection happened somewhere in the White Court. There is a LOT of Outsider influence / presence amongst the Whampires, and I'm betting it was "someone... or something" who Nemfected her there, with my first guess being something in the private "Starborn/Outsider Apocalypse" collection of Raith Père, after she began acting as Lara's personal assistant. (On a slight tangent: I further WAG that the substantive Outsider problems amongst the Whamps is Mab's "main" motivation in contracting a marriage between her Starborn-Wizard Winterknight, and White Princess Lara).
I don't discount @Mira's theory, though, that Justine was a deep plant: Nemfected before we first met her, worming her way into Thomas' affections, in order to get to Harry. This is my own 2nd-favorite theory.
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We know the infection happened about the time that Justine started working for Lara. Therefore, sometime after Blood Rites. We know from the Marcone story that Justine was sent as Mab's envoy to other accorded nations. She could have been infected on one of these trips away from the White Court or, as suggested, by Nemesis influence in the White Court seeking a closer connection to the queen.
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