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Thomas
Mira:
--- Quote ---I would contend that Lara sees Harry as a trusted enemy not ally. Someone you know can turn on you, but you also can trust them to act a certain way. In Harry's case, he is a know white knight that has a strong moral compass. Lara knows what strings she can pull to get a certain response out of Harry. It will be interesting to see how this might change in Twelve Months.
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It isn't about Lara or Thomas trusting Harry, they can.. It's about Harry trusting them. It isn't a matter of morality either, back to the pet tiger analogy, as much as you love it and believe you can trust it, if it is hungry enough, it's natural instinct wins, and it could eat you. Vampires do what vampires do, that is what Eb is telling Harry. Now whether this is from Eb's own personal trauma, as in one killing his wife, or from the general experience and knowledge of his 200 plus years we haven't been told yet.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 09, 2025, 05:04:42 PM --- It isn't about Lara or Thomas trusting Harry, they can.. It's about Harry trusting them. It isn't a matter of morality either, back to the pet tiger analogy, as much as you love it and believe you can trust it, if it is hungry enough, it's natural instinct wins, and it could eat you. Vampires do what vampires do, that is what Eb is telling Harry. Now whether this is from Eb's own personal trauma, as in one killing his wife, or from the general experience and knowledge of his 200 plus years we haven't been told yet.
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Yes. I like the 'pet tiger' analogy, it really fits in many ways. Every now and then you hear about a tragedy where somebody who thought they had tamed a wild predator finds out the hard way that it's still what it is. As the late Rush Limbaugh was fond of saying, "A snake is always a snake, a tiger is always a tiger." Even when the wild animal is safe enough around its owner, it can be dangerous to others, such as that case a few years ago where a pet chimp tore a visitor's face apart. Plus those incidents where a pet python gets out of its container...
Now since Thomas is also a human being, his sapient mind can restrain the animalistic predator...as long as it doesn't get too hungry. But once it crosses that line, it can override the human and go hunting, and any human available is prey.
En and Bob have both warned Harry about this, but it's not a message he wants to hear.
Tinfoil hat:
--- Quote from: Talby16 on June 09, 2025, 04:29:06 PM ---I would contend that Lara sees Harry as a trusted enemy not ally. Someone you know can turn on you, but you also can trust them to act a certain way. In Harry's case, he is a know white knight that has a strong moral compass. Lara knows what strings she can pull to get a certain response out of Harry. It will be interesting to see how this might change in Twelve Months.
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To quote Codex alera Harry is her Gadara. Sorry couldn't resist their are a few places were my jim butcher books knowledge to use.
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on Yesterday at 04:13:47 AM ---Yes. I like the 'pet tiger' analogy, it really fits in many ways. Every now and then you hear about a tragedy where somebody who thought they had tamed a wild predator finds out the hard way that it's still what it is. As the late Rush Limbaugh was fond of saying, "A snake is always a snake, a tiger is always a tiger." Even when the wild animal is safe enough around its owner, it can be dangerous to others, such as that case a few years ago where a pet chimp tore a visitor's face apart. Plus those incidents where a pet python gets out of its container...
Now since Thomas is also a human being, his sapient mind can restrain the animalistic predator...as long as it doesn't get too hungry. But once it crosses that line, it can override the human and go hunting, and any human available is prey.
En and Bob have both warned Harry about this, but it's not a message he wants to hear.
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Harry is blinded by love. Think about how many red flags in family and friends we over look.
How many toxic family members we still cling to and toxic friends we defend.
Thomas the human partbis a good guy. And harry sees only that part. He cant imagine Thomas the vampire or he cant allow himself to see that part.
The pet tiger imagery is good but how about a violent big dog. You know the breeds which everyonce in a while is in the news for biting kids, neighbors and owners. And which we the owners of said dogs defend as being innocent and friendly but misunderstood.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on Yesterday at 07:11:09 AM --- ... Harry is blinded by love...
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I don't think he is; not really.
--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on Yesterday at 07:11:09 AM --- ... Thomas the human partbis a good guy. And harry sees only that part. He cant imagine Thomas the vampire or he cant allow himself to see that part ...
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Remember: he has Seen the Hunger Demon inside Thomas.
Seen it in a way he cannot un-See.
Harry has seen Thomas lose control (and knows how to deal with Thomas losing control). And when he knows Thomas is stressed/injured & close to the edge, he takes extra care. We saw him with Susan, feeding her a bit of blood that she needed, but then punching her in the face to stop her feeding.
Harry just chooses to believe that Thomas is mostly going to continue to be worthy of Harry's trust.
And let's face it: most people are occasionally un-trustworthy... this "problem" isn't unique to Thomas! About 90% of American adults have drivers' licenses, and when behind the wheel they are one moment of rage (or simple inattention) away from hitting someone harder than Thomas ever could. Yet we drive public highways & walk down sidewalks by the millions, daily...
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