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Thomas
Mira:
--- Quote ---Thomas taking up the sword after becoming human is in my opinion the only solution for him to stay in Harry's world, to become "useful" again. From the story's perspective.
The other would be becoming a wizard, but I don't think his talent would be relevant in future events, meaning the BAT, Outsiders breaking through the Gates and so on. But the Sword of Love will be.
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I agree, and that will be good, but I am still disappointed because the first part of that story is missing. I think too much page time was wasted on the Harry/Murphy romance that could have spent on Thomas.. I know I will get slammed for that, but Murphy had very good reasons for her and Harry not to get together and she stated them back in Proven Guilty.. She might have still be alive even if she had continued as one of Harry's best friends and kick ass supporters, actually that was refreshing!
Talby16:
--- Quote from: Regenbogen on June 03, 2025, 06:18:42 AM ---So I think, he will become fully human, maybe during his time of adjustment, he finds out that he has a little magical talent, maybe not. Maybe it's just weak like some paranetters.
And there is of course still the Justine situation: there will be grief, a search going on for the woman and the baby and who knows how this will turn out.
And then, but not too soon, he will find out that he was meant for Amoraccius from the beginning.
Thomas taking up the sword after becoming human is in my opinion the only solution for him to stay in Harry's world, to become "useful" again. From the story's perspective.
The other would be becoming a wizard, but I don't think his talent would be relevant in future events, meaning the BAT, Outsiders breaking through the Gates and so on. But the Sword of Love will be.
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Just as a side note, Thomas already has some magical talent. Here is a WOJ:
--- Quote ---‘Are there White Court vampire wizards?’
Yes, there are. Thomas is middle-of-the-road in power and [ed: think I’m remembering this correctly] the strongest don’t get as strong as mortal wizards [/ed], but they can pull off some strong tricks with their Hunger.
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In addition, in the short story where Thomas has to fight in the Oblivion War, Thomas uses a tracking spell to find Harry and mentions that he (Thomas) views magic like a mechanic or a plumber (I forget which) whereas Harry views magic as a higher purpose. If Thomas does decided to pursue magic more it would be interesting to see his viewpoint on magic change.
Regenbogen:
--- Quote from: Talby16 on June 03, 2025, 02:54:35 PM ---Just as a side note, Thomas already has some magical talent. Here is a WOJ:
In addition, in the short story where Thomas has to fight in the Oblivion War, Thomas uses a tracking spell to find Harry and mentions that he (Thomas) views magic like a mechanic or a plumber (I forget which) whereas Harry views magic as a higher purpose. If Thomas does decided to pursue magic more it would be interesting to see his viewpoint on magic change.
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Cool, thanks for the WoJ.
Yes, I do remember Thomas using tracking spells. This sounds as if magical ability in WCVs can only go to a certain level. Could be suppressed by the Hunger Demon. That's why I think, he might have magic, but not to which extent. But I am not sure if he has used his abilities enough for the magic not to "dry out", like it did in Charity.
Ok, Charity didn't use her magic at all for years and I think Thomas uses his more regularly, though only occasional tracking spells.
And yes, it will be interesting to see how and if his viewpoint would change if he can no longer rely on his vampire powers.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Cool, thanks for the WoJ.
Yes, I do remember Thomas using tracking spells. This sounds as if magical ability in WCVs can only go to a certain level. Could be suppressed by the Hunger Demon. That's why I think, he might have magic, but not to which extent. But I am not sure if he has used his abilities enough for the magic not to "dry out", like it did in Charity.
Ok, Charity didn't use her magic at all for years and I think Thomas uses his more regularly, though only occasional tracking spells.
And yes, it will be interesting to see how and if his viewpoint would change if he can no longer rely on his vampire powers.
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Yes, I remember Thomas using that tracking spell as well, though if I remember correctly, he said it was a pretty basic skill akin to Butters being able to do a protective magic circle. However that being said, Thomas might be just being modest. Or his talent was never allowed to show itself and develop because the last thing Lord Raith would have wanted was one of his sons to have magical talent and kick his ass with it some day. Especially if Thomas was aware that Lord Raith murdered his mother, like Harry, he would want revenge. It just makes sense genetically that Thomas would be born with some talent considering his mother, grandfather, and brother are or were powerful wizards. Thomas may not have the magical talent of his half brother, mother, or grandfather but he could be on the level of the members of the Paranet. It would explain his connection to them as a protector, also Elaine may have taught him what magic he does know.
Talby16:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 03, 2025, 05:19:15 PM ---However that being said, Thomas might be just being modest. Or his talent was never allowed to show itself and develop because the last thing Lord Raith would have wanted was one of his sons to have magical talent and kick his ass with it some day. Especially if Thomas was aware that Lord Raith murdered his mother, like Harry, he would want revenge. It just makes sense genetically that Thomas would be born with some talent considering his mother, grandfather, and brother are or were powerful wizards.
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I can definitely see Lord Raith actively discouraging Thomas and/or trying to prevent Thomas from learning magic. To keep him weaker and thus easier to dispose of, out of fear because of what Maggie Sr did to him, and as a means of control over Thomas.
--- Quote from: Regenbogen on June 03, 2025, 03:21:16 PM ---Cool, thanks for the WoJ.
Yes, I do remember Thomas using tracking spells. This sounds as if magical ability in WCVs can only go to a certain level. Could be suppressed by the Hunger Demon. That's why I think, he might have magic, but not to which extent. But I am not sure if he has used his abilities enough for the magic not to "dry out", like it did in Charity.
Ok, Charity didn't use her magic at all for years and I think Thomas uses his more regularly, though only occasional tracking spells.
And yes, it will be interesting to see how and if his viewpoint would change if he can no longer rely on his vampire powers.
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Charity was actively denying/suppressing her powers out of shame. Thomas spent time and effort to learn how to at least do a tracking spell and has used it actively. We don't know how often. We don't know what other spells he may know. If his vampiric nature is stripped away and he is fully human, I agree that it would make sense for him to explore his magical talents more. This would allow him to still fight the good fight and not shift away from the supernatural completely. It sets up an interesting scenario of Harry having to train him and them butting heads.
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