Questions for Mab

[Mira]

Burger King & IHOP (and Pizza 'Spress) will be his "splurge" foods, unless he solves some magical problem for a high-end chef who gives him "always eat here free" privileges as a reward.
 

I agree with the exception of Pizza'Spress, Harry's fairy army flies on it's stomach, quality pizza in this case isn't an indulgence, he has to keep his troops well fed! 

Molly didn't bargain for her pay check or any support she gets from the Winter Court, that came with the mantel that she had no say in getting.  It's possible that Harry may have been able to bargain for a good pay check, but at the time he was in no position to bargain at all.  Unless the Lady cannot bargain on her own, I don't see why Molly with her seemingly unlimited resources cannot set up her former master and friend so he can be financially solvent, not rich maybe but able to support those he has to support.
There is evidence that she can bargain since Harry did ask and got a favor from her in Peace Talks when she made that ring for him so he could create a double of himself to fool Eb.

I think the Harry in Proven Guilty was hitting a good spot. Still was tight with financial issues, but was able to do some cool stuff on the side like Little Chicago. He did not have unlimited resources that he could throw at any problem, but he had enough that he could choose something cool to devote some resources to.

Yes, that is the happy medium I am talking about, Harry isn't rich, he cannot throw money at things and make them go away.  But he is treading water and getting along like a lot of us do, money isn't his focus, he has more important things to attend to. And if Mab is as smart as she claims to be she will understand that a solvent Winter Knight is a more effective Winter Knight and she will increase his pay check if he gets one from her.

[Talby16]

Yes, that is the happy medium I am talking about, Harry isn't rich, he cannot throw money at things and make them go away.  But he is treading water and getting along like a lot of us do, money isn't his focus, he has more important things to attend to. And if Mab is as smart as she claims to be she will understand that a solvent Winter Knight is a more effective Winter Knight and she will increase his pay check if he gets one from her.

Mab may have to have it pointed out to her, but I think she will see the logic of the Winter Knight being more effective if he is not having to worry about some basic necessities. That being said, in order to keep Harry on a leash, I can see her working on a requisition format where he has to ask for what he needs.

[Mr. Mouse]

You do not want to see the reimbursement forms required by the Winter Court accounting department.

Mab may have to have it pointed out to her, but I think she will see the logic of the Winter Knight being more effective if he is not having to worry about some basic necessities. That being said, in order to keep Harry on a leash, I can see her working on a requisition format where he has to ask for what he needs.

[Mira]

You do not want to see the reimbursement forms required by the Winter Court accounting department.

 Could it be worse than the White Council? I seem to remember Rashid telling Harry he has no idea what a favor Rachid did for him vouching that he was still alive and filling out all those forms,to prove it..

[Talby16]

You do not want to see the reimbursement forms required by the Winter Court accounting department.

Considering the author said that for Mac to get the bar Accorded Neutral Ground it was a minor quest in and of itself.....

[g33k]

...  It's possible that Harry may have been able to bargain for a good pay check, but at the time he was in no position to bargain at all ...

And yet, bargain he did.
He just didn't care enough about cashflow to include it into the bargain.


 

... Unless the Lady cannot bargain on her own, I don't see why Molly with her seemingly unlimited resources cannot set up her former master and friend so he can be financially solvent, not rich maybe but able to support those he has to support.

"Molly" could maybe do so.
The "Winter Lady" must do all such transactions as bargains, as you yourself pointed out:
 

... There is evidence that she can bargain since Harry did ask and got a favor from her in Peace Talks when she made that ring for him so he could create a double of himself to fool Eb.

Just so.

 

... And if Mab is as smart as she claims to be she will understand that a solvent Winter Knight is a more effective Winter Knight and she will increase his pay check if he gets one from her.

I'm pretty sure Mab feels that her WK already has all the resources he needs, to do the job.  And if Dresden is too stupid or weak-willed or squeamish to leverage the resources she's already given him, it's not Mab's job to make his life any easier.

Remember, Mab's the girl who picked the 2nd-most powerful faerie to be her "close enemy" in order that she, Mab, could keep herself keenly sharpened for the war.

[Mira]

And yet, bargain he did.
He just didn't care enough about cashflow to include it into the bargain.

Really?  I am not saying that you are wrong here, no he didn't care.. However you make it sound like it wasn't important to him. It is important to him, but at that moment in time, it was WAY down on his list of priorities.  His back was broken, his little girl about to be sacrificed, he and his grandfather about to be killed in a generational spell, so yeah, he didn't care, why?  Because if he didn't survive a 401 K from Mab wasn't going to do him much good!

"Molly" could maybe do so.
The "Winter Lady" must do all such transactions as bargains, as you yourself pointed out:

The interesting point is why hasn't she?  I got the sense from Peace Talks that Molly doesn't like bargains, especially in the case of Harry.  It maybe because she feels the only reason she is alive is because of him, or because she loves him, but I don't think she wants him to be indebted to her anymore than absolutely necessary.   Or she has observed how Mab uses it to wield power over others and she doesn't agree with it.

I'm pretty sure Mab feels that her WK already has all the resources he needs, to do the job.  And if Dresden is too stupid or weak-willed or squeamish to leverage the resources she's already given him, it's not Mab's job to make his life any easier.

Or perhaps doesn't understand?  Mab maybe too removed from the human perspective to understand.  Remember there are a lot of things the Fae don't understand about how humans think. 

[Mr. Mouse]

Could it be worse than the White Council? I seem to remember Rashid telling Harry he has no idea what a favor Rachid did for him vouching that he was still alive and filling out all those forms,to prove it..

Of course it's worse, it's Mab. The process is sharply pointed and makes your blood run cold.

[Mira]

Of course it's worse, it's Mab. The process is sharply pointed and makes your blood run cold.

Mab is bad true, but a bureaucracy of wizards might be worse.. 

[Talby16]

Or perhaps doesn't understand?  Mab maybe too removed from the human perspective to understand.  Remember there are a lot of things the Fae don't understand about how humans think. 

Mab may be removed from the human perspective, but she will grab onto any weapon she can in order to achieve her goals. Money is one of those resources that she can use to further her own ends in the mortal world. There is a reason Molly's account has so many zeros in it. Mab sees that value in money, she just doesn't amass it to be rich for rich's sake. She absolutely could be operating under the principle that she provides the knight the basic tools and it is up to him to gather what he needs.

[Mira]

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Or perhaps doesn't understand?  Mab maybe too removed from the human perspective to understand.  Remember there are a lot of things the Fae don't understand about how humans think.


Mab may be removed from the human perspective, but she will grab onto any weapon she can in order to achieve her goals. Money is one of those resources that she can use to further her own ends in the mortal world. There is a reason Molly's account has so many zeros in it. Mab sees that value in money, she just doesn't amass it to be rich for rich's sake. She absolutely could be operating under the principle that she provides the knight the basic tools and it is up to him to gather what he needs.

At the same time she must feel that Harry isn't subject to bribes.. Also one wonders if her Knight would be as effective as she'd like if he has to scrounge for money to keep his home and family together?  Again, you'd think that Molly would supplement his income, unless there is a reason why Knights do not get a salary for what they do.

[Talby16]

At the same time she must feel that Harry isn't subject to bribes.. Also one wonders if her Knight would be as effective as she'd like if he has to scrounge for money to keep his home and family together?  Again, you'd think that Molly would supplement his income, unless there is a reason why Knights do not get a salary for what they do.

Molly the friend may want to supplement his income, but Molly the Winter Lady would be bound by Mab's will in the matter. If Mab doesn't think Harry needs more resources than he is not getting more resources without bartering for them like he did with Molly in Peace Talks.

[Mira]

Molly the friend may want to supplement his income, but Molly the Winter Lady would be bound by Mab's will in the matter. If Mab doesn't think Harry needs more resources than he is not getting more resources without bartering for them like he did with Molly in Peace Talks.

However it does demonstrate that Molly can bargain on her own.  She never consulted with Mab before she made that ring for Harry in Peace Talks.. That bargain made Harry obligated to Molly, not Mab for whatever favor Molly requires, so very possible that Harry could bargain with Molly for a pay raise.  I don't think that is the issue, I don't think Harry wants to be forced to pay back favors anymore than he has to.  Remember it was frightened 16 year old Harry that made a bargain with Lea that got him in this jam in the first place leading to him becoming Winter Knight years later, something he'd rather not be.