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Choices
Mira:
--- Quote from: Lord Kinbote on April 20, 2025, 12:12:17 AM ---But maybe enough that Murphy ends up dead earlier than in the canon timeline. In canon, Murphy was better equipped to deal with the supernatural threats in Chicago because Harry brought her fully in, shared with her knowledge about the supernatural world and what was happening, protected her as best as he could and as she would allow, etc. while she did her job. Without Harry's help or the same level of protection, is she able to do her job and stay alive as long as she did in canon?
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Yup, consider how she was in both Storm Front and Fool Moon, you could argue she was a good cop, but she was also quick to jump to conclusions and as a result got people killed as happened in Fool Moon! Depending on her attitude, she may have developed more of a closed mind, stayed a cop, but to the determent of the world around her..
g33k:
--- Quote from: Lord Kinbote on April 20, 2025, 12:12:17 AM ---But maybe enough that Murphy ends up dead earlier than in the canon timeline. In canon, Murphy was better equipped to deal with the supernatural threats in Chicago because Harry brought her fully in, shared with her knowledge about the supernatural world and what was happening, protected her as best as he could and as she would allow, etc. while she did her job. Without Harry's help or the same level of protection, is she able to do her job and stay alive as long as she did in canon?
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I am relatively-confident Mirror!Murphy will be alive; simply because of the vast opportunities it gives Jim to further torture Harry.
Early-books Harry was still giving Murphy lots of stay-alive info (albeit limited/incomplete), and I expect that didn't stop completely when he made the Choice. Remember that Murphy got so deeply into the supernatural because of Harry. Without Harry there, opening the doors he opened, Murphy's likely to have had shallower, less-dangerous encounters.
Alternatively, maybe Mirror!Murphy teamed up with Michael, who -- while (mostly) not as clued-in as Harry -- had much more info than Murphy!
Avernite:
--- Quote from: g33k on April 20, 2025, 05:43:53 PM ---I am relatively-confident Mirror!Murphy will be alive; simply because of the vast opportunities it gives Jim to further torture Harry.
Early-books Harry was still giving Murphy lots of stay-alive info (albeit limited/incomplete), and I expect that didn't stop completely when he made the Choice. Remember that Murphy got so deeply into the supernatural because of Harry. Without Harry there, opening the doors he opened, Murphy's likely to have had shallower, less-dangerous encounters.
Alternatively, maybe Mirror!Murphy teamed up with Michael, who -- while (mostly) not as clued-in as Harry -- had much more info than Murphy!
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If torturing Harry is the point, obviously Murphy will be happy and safe, and be absolutely murderously angry when she sees Harry.
So yes, teaming up with the Knights of the Cross to actually deal with supernatural threats Mirror!Harry doesn't deal with properly, cleaning up his mess... that would sound just the kind of torturous that Harry needs to see. His Choices have Consequences, and maybe even the RIGHT choice in GP has a BAD influence on someone he loved.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Early-books Harry was still giving Murphy lots of stay-alive info (albeit limited/incomplete), and I expect that didn't stop completely when he made the Choice. Remember that Murphy got so deeply into the supernatural because of Harry. Without Harry there, opening the doors he opened, Murphy's likely to have had shallower, less-dangerous encounters.
Alternatively, maybe Mirror!Murphy teamed up with Michael, who -- while (mostly) not as clued-in as Harry -- had much more info than Murphy!
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Or closed minded, and why would she team up with Michael? I doubt without Harry she would have even known Micheal. You forget even in this timeline she got a Holy Sword broken because she felt her judgement was better than God's Judgement when it came to Nic.
For the record? If you really want to torture Harry, have Murphy act like he never existed, and treat him that way as well with a totally closed mind towards the supernatural... Oh and maybe still married to one of her husbands... ::)
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on April 21, 2025, 12:27:25 PM --- ... and why would she team up with Michael? I doubt without Harry she would have even known Micheal ...
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You forget: Michael has some extra guidance! ;D
Without Harry's assistance, SI & Murphy will have needed some extra help... help that Michael is well-situated to provide! Obviously, that's no guarantee Jim will have written it that way; but it'd be a nice exemplar of God's Providence, with Michael's multiversal presence situated to support Murphy (or in a different Alt!Universe, Morty?) when that alt!Harry does not.
--- Quote from: Mira on April 21, 2025, 12:27:25 PM ---... For the record? If you really want to torture Harry, have Murphy act like he never existed, and treat him that way as well with a totally closed mind towards the supernatural...
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Murphy 1st met Harry in the Restoration of Faith short, earlier even than Storm Front.
He was a regular consultant for SI, for the first few novels (the earliest such (that we see onscreen) he had already been consulting with them for a while).
All of that is the same, between the "prime" and "Mirror" universes.
The entirety of the setting & character-development isn't subject to revision -- only from GP's "choice" onwards.
I don't see any way for Mirror!Murphy to have buried her head in the sand and deny the supernatural; and Harry will *very* much be on Mirror!Murphy's radar -- as a Bad Guy(tm)!
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