The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
And another thing...Justine
Mr. Mouse:
--- Quote from: Mira on April 17, 2025, 04:42:48 PM ---Or not, what we don't know is how someone becomes infested in the first place. Can for example Nemesis just jump into anyone's brain and install an Outsider lieutenant? Or does the would be host have to agree to it?
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I don't see Lea agreeing to host Nemesis. Maeve, on the other hand ...
Mira:
--- Quote ---I don't see Lea agreeing to host Nemesis. Maeve, on the other hand ...
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Exactly... And Nemesis was very clever about it, using the Knife.. Not even Mab saw it coming until it was too late for Maeve..
And yes, Lea could be tempted, read carefully what she says when we first meet her, she wanted more power in the Court, even thought she deserved it more than Mab.. That's why when Harry finds her later in Proven Guilty in her ice block Lea is contrite and says that Mab is teaching her how wrong she was.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on April 18, 2025, 01:43:27 AM --- ... And yes, Lea could be tempted, read carefully what she says when we first meet her, she wanted more power in the Court, even thought she deserved it more than Mab...
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Absolutely!
I'm pretty sure there's WoJ saying that Mab chose Lea as the most-powerful faerie, with the most personal rivalry/ambition, because Mab wanted the best whetstone to keep herself sharp (or something like that)
A thousand years of thwarted rivalry? That might just present a temptation Lea couldn't pass up.
And, it was gifted to her in public ceremony, which likely invokes all sorts of guest/host obligations of faerie Law.
Talby16:
--- Quote from: EBRIEN on April 12, 2025, 04:43:31 PM ---Right before Harry and Carlos duel Malvora and Madrigal Wraith, he chats with Justine. He asks how she's up and around. She's more than a bit evasive I think. Sorry, I've been listening, so don't have the exact quote.
I'm sure this has been discussed, but Nemfected would explain it all, but it kind of pins down a timeline for infection of Justine.
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I can't remember for sure, but I thought that she was being evasive because she was still pretending to be out of it to fool potential listeners.
--- Quote from: g33k on April 14, 2025, 07:35:05 PM ---
Papa-Raith may have been Nemfected himself, or carrying a Shadow. He may have made a deal to send a specific doe to Thomas, without understanding the ramifications.
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We know that Papa Raith was planning on being a major player the next time things started up again, hence his library. Could he have sought information from the wrong source and become infected? Did he think that maybe he could control Nemesis and actively sought out infection? Its also possible he sought out Nemesis to try and cure the curse Maggie laid on him. If so, he was obviously unsuccessful.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Mira on April 15, 2025, 12:07:12 PM ---However the original cause of her insanity isn't addressed, so you'd think that without the vamp sex, Justine would revert because she'd be like any other mentally ill person who reverts when they are off their meds..
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It's not the sex itself that helps the condition, it's the feeding. Sex is just bait and the channel the Raiths like to use to get the energy. They can feed in other ways, like Skavis and Malvora do. (IIRC, JB once said that in theory a WV could feed on the warm and fuzzy feeling from petting a kitten, though he added that the WV would probably sparkle if they did it, so he might have been joking about that).
The White Vampires feed on emotional energy, which is also life energy. Justine in her manic state generates too much positive energy, in the depressed state too much negative. The emotions are the energy and vice versa. When Thomas feeds on Justine, it takes away those excess energies, leaving her more or less 'normal'...as long as he doesn't take too much or too often, of course. In that respect, a manic depressive is the perfect prey for a WV with enough self control to limit their take, because they can be fed on without hurting them, and even to their benefit.
(Ignoring the potential issue of supersex addiction, of course.)
And yeah, once Thomas couldn't feed on her any more, one would expect that she would either revert over time to her manic/depressive state, or have to use medication to control it. Which might be where Nemesis got its hooks in.
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