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The Erl King a Vassal of Winter?
KeyMasterOfGozer:
I don't recall where I got this impression, but I thought that the Erlking was the Summer King (Different court than the Summer Court), and he was balanced by Kringle, who is the Winter King (Not part of the Winter Court).
They are both powerful Wild Fae, with their own vassal structures not associated with either Court formally. But these Wild Fae may become allies with the Courts from time to time.
g33k:
--- Quote from: KeyMasterOfGozer on March 28, 2025, 05:29:31 PM ---I don't recall where I got this impression, but I thought that the Erlking was the Summer King (Different court than the Summer Court), and he was balanced by Kringle, who is the Winter King (Not part of the Winter Court).
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That's a fantheory I've read, but IIRC WoJ has explicitly denied it. In particular, there is only one Winter Queen & Summer Queen, and there is no corresponding singular King for either. The Erlking is a king (who is Summer(ish)), but not the king -- except of the Goblins.
I don't even think Kringle is a "King" per se; but (as a part of Winter) he is in fact subject to Mab (something she's careful about, since the current Kringle is only part-time, and the rest of the time he's... rather more than that).
Mira:
Found this WOJ quote on Reddit
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"There is no such thing as the Summer King in the Dresden Files faerie cosmology. Mab and Titania need a king like a fish need a bicycle. There are a ton of independent rulers of the Wyld, though much like the Erlking who is a member of the Winter Court more or less as a sign of courtesy and respect. They will occasionally make alliances (and dalliances) witht he great rulers of the Sidhe"
- Jim Butcher, 2014 AMA
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Looks like according to this WOJ the Erlking is a member of the Winter Court, I guess like Vadderrung is a member of the Winter Court in his Kris Kringle carnation... He is also referred to as the "Master of the Hunt" or Herne and was called by that name in one of the books.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on March 28, 2025, 07:28:27 PM ---
Found this WOJ quote on Reddit
Looks like according to this WOJ the Erlking is a member of the Winter Court, I guess like Vadderrung is a member of the Winter Court in his Kris Kringle carnation... He is also referred to as the "Master of the Hunt" or Herne and was called by that name in one of the books.
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Yes, Erlking "hangs" with Winter more than Summer.
But he's more "Summery" in himself...
--- Quote ---Jim: He is wyldfae. He isn’t a subject of Mab or Titania. That’s what Wyldfae means. But his origins are in the Summer-side of the cycle of seasons, just like Titania’s are.
Ditto Santa, only in Winter
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I think the problem is with us in the fandom: we want to try to assign categories for these beings, and they just don't fit neatly into the boxes we have... nor neatly and entirely out of our boxes...
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on March 29, 2025, 04:59:12 PM ---Yes, Erlking "hangs" with Winter more than Summer.
But he's more "Summery" in himself...
I think the problem is with us in the fandom: we want to try to assign categories for these beings, and they just don't fit neatly into the boxes we have... nor neatly and entirely out of our boxes...
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Yup, an independent operator..
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