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Grey Council… will we meet it in TM? Who is on it?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on March 21, 2025, 02:34:05 AM ---I mean, Harry wasn't disguised at Chichen Itza. If Langtry was there, he saw who they were arriving to bail out.
Also, Fuego is Spanish for Fire. Harry didn't make it up, he just maps it to his fire spell because second languages are sufficient mental insulation. He has a line in the flashback in GS where he first comes up with it against the Walker that references it being from Spanish class. The shout at the battle was someone ordering the human mercenaries to start shooting, right before Ebenezar killed them all, and the commander was speaking Spanish because it's Mexico.
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Perhaps, I seem to remember when he learned the fire spell, Harry said he did make it up because the way he says it or spells it it isn't either really Spanish or Latin.
SerScot:
I honestly wonder if some of Langtry’s animosity toward Harry is simply mosdirection. Langtry isn’t stupid. He can’t really believe after everything Harry has done that Harry plans to throw in with the dark side. Further we know (see, Hendricks; Mort) can and does misread people and put his own prejudices first.
g33k:
--- Quote from: peterwiggin94 on March 14, 2025, 01:11:36 PM ---... that someone shouts "Fuego" (potentially a time traveling Harry) ...
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Oh, that?
"Fuego"?
That's "fire" in Spanish.
From context, it appears to have been the signal for the (mundane) riflemen on the walls to open fire.
I don't know if it's correct usage -- as an order to "fire weapons" vs fire as "the burning of candles & hearths (& buildings when Harry's done with them)." I assume Jim's capable of having gotten a correct translation; it being incorrect might therefore mean that it's a clue... Or, maybe, that Jim just got lazy (mis)using Google Translate...
g33k:
--- Quote from: peterwiggin94 on March 14, 2025, 01:11:36 PM --- ... I also kinda like the idea that Langtry is on the Grey Council. I could see him having a Snape-like arc in the end ...
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I strongly suspect Langtry is more-or-less a "white hat" character; just with a bit of a dick-ish personality.
You don't have to be nice to be "fighting the good fight;" nor is being "nice" proof of being fundamentally "good" (after all, Lasciel's Shadow was almost-always "nice" to Harry; Marcone is routinely polite; etc).
And frankly, Langtry is both a brilliant politician & supremely well-connected; the idea that Ebenezar could institute a secret "Grey Council" with multiple WC-members right under Arthur's nose is unlikely at best.
He's also too bright to genuinely not be seeing the "Black Council" signs that Harry & Ebenezar were seeing, and almost-certainly knows that Ebenezer's exactly the sort of person who's going to ignore the "official position" of ignoring those signs, and take steps to counter the "Black Council."
I don't expect either one of them are exactly "thrilled" to be on yet another wizards' council together, but... "needs must, when the devil drives."
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on March 21, 2025, 09:56:25 PM ---I strongly suspect Langtry is more-or-less a "white hat" character; just with a bit of a dick-ish personality.
You don't have to be nice to be "fighting the good fight;" nor is being "nice" proof of being fundamentally "good" (after all, Lasciel's Shadow was almost-always "nice" to Harry; Marcone is routinely polite; etc).
And frankly, Langtry is both a brilliant politician & supremely well-connected; the idea that Ebenezar could institute a secret "Grey Council" with multiple WC-members right under Arthur's nose is unlikely at best.
He's also too bright to genuinely not be seeing the "Black Council" signs that Harry & Ebenezar were seeing, and almost-certainly knows that Ebenezer's exactly the sort of person who's going to ignore the "official position" of ignoring those signs, and take steps to counter the "Black Council."
I don't expect either one of them are exactly "thrilled" to be on yet another wizards' council together, but... "needs must, when the devil drives."
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I agree with most of this, and as the Merlin, Langtry has to appear above the fray in a very "Mission Impossible" kind of way. In other words especially if Harry's mission and then the Grey Council's involvement really went south, Langtry would have to maintain a level of deniability. As in," What? A small rouge group of wizards calling themselves, the Grey Council tried to take down the Red Court? Shocking,first I've heard of it, I will order my Wardens to investigate immediately!"
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