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Speculation: Was Kemmler like Harry?
Griffimus:
I've always wondered if Kemmler was Starborn like Harry was. I believe there is another character who is also Starborn as well, was it Nicodemus? Maybe after being told he was, Kemmler tried gaining more power but went about it the wrong way.
So this is why the Council won't tell Harry anything about the Starborn stuff because they don't want a repeat. Could be why they are so nervous of how he's getting his power from Mab..
This is due to my assumption that the Starborn person is destined to do something so Huge/Life changing and it just hasn't happened yet because all previous Starborn have failed.. maybe it's has to do with the Time Travel book we are getting in the future. The Council knows a Starborn from the Future went back in time to fix something but they don't know who it was. ?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Griffimus on February 03, 2025, 04:52:28 AM ---I've always wondered if Kemmler was Starborn like Harry was. I believe there is another character who is also Starborn as well, was it Nicodemus? Maybe after being told he was, Kemmler tried gaining more power but went about it the wrong way.
So this is why the Council won't tell Harry anything about the Starborn stuff because they don't want a repeat. Could be why they are so nervous of how he's getting his power from Mab..
This is due to my assumption that the Starborn person is destined to do something so Huge/Life changing and it just hasn't happened yet because all previous Starborn have failed.. maybe it's has to do with the Time Travel book we are getting in the future. The Council knows a Starborn from the Future went back in time to fix something but they don't know who it was. ?
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I doubt that he was because he wasn't same age as Harry and I doubt he was over six hundred years of age.
g33k:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on January 26, 2025, 10:58:58 PM --- ...
Why did it get so far? Why was in only in freaking 1961 that the Council finally punched Kemmler's ticket, after all that? World War I ran from 1914 to 1918/19 (depending on when you count it ending) and its aftereffects went on for decades. Necromancy is a straight Law violation in itself ...
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Note that they tried before, according to Bob.
But also note that Kemmler was naturally strong with life&death magics (burly, like Harry is with Force and Fire (and Earth).
I don't think the Council knew how to kill Kemmler; how to bypass the protections Kemmler was using, the "mostly-dead-isn't-all-the-way-dead" tricks, etc... 1961 was them finally pulling out all the stops, not just "killing" him but applying absurd levels of overkill (not just force, but post-killing magical efforts to prevent all the ways of coming back).
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on January 26, 2025, 10:58:58 PM --- ... What I'm getting at here is to ask, given the Council's chop-happy approach to the Laws, how is it that Kemmler wasn't neutralized fairly early, while it would still have been relatively easy?
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Kemmler was a known necromancer at least as far back as 1883 (Warden (pre-Captain) Luccio fought him in one of the short stories, A Fistful of Warlocks).
Mira:
--- Quote ---I don't think the Council knew how to kill Kemmler; how to bypass the protections Kemmler was using, the "mostly-dead-isn't-all-the-way-dead" tricks, etc... 1961 was them finally pulling out all the stops, not just "killing" him but applying absurd levels of overkill (not just force, but post-killing magical efforts to prevent all the ways of coming back).
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Oh I think they did, because when they did, as a team, they took him down. I think it took so long because Kemmler was a Warden and then a former one and they had a hard time accepting that he could be bad. No different from the fact at least half the Senior Council cannot believe that Justin had gone warlock.
KurtinStGeorge:
I wonder if Kemmler did what Alt-Harry will be doing in the Mirror Mirror world. I should qualify that statement. Maybe Kemmler did what I think Alt-Harry is doing in the Mirror Mirror world. Somehow finding the power to summon versions of himself from other universes and setting them up to take the fall for his crimes.
This is the reason why the White Council killed the necromancer, over and over again. I think Bob told Harry that the Council killed Kemmler a bunch of times. Originally, I thought Kemmler did what Corpse Taker tried to do in Ghost Story. Somehow keep his soul intact after physically dying and eventually found someone else to posses. However, that doesn’t make much sense because Kemmler’s outer appearance would keep changing with every new possession. He could even posses a woman’s body, if he had to. So, how would the Council even know they were dealing with Kemmler?
Summoning and setting other Kemmler’s up to die makes it understandable that the White Council thought they were killing Kemmler and then having him come back. They were killing Kemmler, just the wrong Kemmler.
The reason we keep getting different dates for Kemmler’s final and permanent death is because there are different Kemmler’s in different universes doing the same thing, but not all at the same time. So we get Kemmler getting killed after WW2, in the 1950’s and 1961. This is another example of a continuity error that isn’t an error at all. It is no different than the example of there being a Brighter Future Society and Better Future Society and no one notices the distinction.
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