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Molly’s trial… what if…
Mira:
--- Quote ---Harry was in the grip of rage that had overridden his conscience and his rational mind. He was, or was close to being, an animal in that moment. A beast. An angry predator. He wasn't seeing Rudolph as he was, he wasn't seeing anything as it really was. If he had given in to it, it would have been a first step down a dangerous road.
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In all honesty, how many human beings having seen a lover murdered before their eyes would have acted much different from Harry? Very few to none, consider even Michael Carpenter was ready to beat up that priest who kidnapped and harmed his daughter. He would have beaten him to death with a baseball bat if Harry hadn't stopped him. There was no Winter Mantle egging him on, but Michael, a Holy Knight, was ready to kill brutally with a baseball bat a man who had harmed his daughter.
--- Quote ---On the contrary, it would have made it easier for the Knights. If Harry had really given in entirely to the monster, then the Knights would have been free to act against him without holding back.
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However they are not invulnerable, they can be hurt and killed like any other mortal.. That's my point, it Harry had gone full postal it would have been a close thing, they could very well have lost.
--- Quote ---Remember what happened when Harry tried to strike aside Fidelacchius. As he himself tells it, it was something like 'pain beyond pain'. His Mantle instantlyu collapsed, his power fled, he was just Harry Dresden, ordinary human being. If he had tried to use his own personal magic in that moment against Butters, I'm pretty sure Fidelacchius would have taken that away, too.
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I am not so sure of that, Knights can and are hurt, even killed..
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Even after the Mantle returned and eased the pain of his other wounds and began to heal them, the burn from Fidelachius kept hurting, it was a reminder of what had almost happened.
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I think it is a bit more complicated than that..
--- Quote ---In that state, the Swords would be useful against Harry, and they would absolutely stop him. So would a point blank headshot from a rifle, for that matter. Even as Winter Knight, Harry is still mortal.
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Yes, Harry is still mortal, but you are forgetting he still remains the custodian of the Swords, I think the Swords were teaching Harry other lessons that we don't know about.
--- Quote ---Remember Harry's mental state a moment later after Fidelacchius freed him from the Mantle. He was horrified, he suddenly perceived that Rudolph was himself horrified and guilt-stricken, that he had been fighting his friends, the best men he knows. That he had been ready to become a murderer himself, for what was fundamentally a selfish reason (it's not as if murdering Rudolph would restore Karrin, after all).
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Thank you for making my point! Harry was horrified because he is a decent human being at his core. Monsters are never horrified about what they have done, or almost did.
Nooneofconsequence:
And, when Rudolph is acquitted due to lack of evidence, disproving Sanya's assertion that he will face justice, I sure hope we get to see Kincaid's opinion on the matter.
Nooneofconsequence:
Negligent homicide of the sort Rudolph committed? That's Murder in the second degree, and being a cop he SHOULD get an automatic upgrade to Murder 1. Unsure if Illinois has capital punishment. Doesn't matter: no body, no murder is how the prosecutor will see it.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Nooneofconsequence on January 22, 2025, 12:54:03 AM ---Negligent homicide of the sort Rudolph committed? That's Murder in the second degree, and being a cop he SHOULD get an automatic upgrade to Murder 1. Unsure if Illinois has capital punishment. Doesn't matter: no body, no murder is how the prosecutor will see it.
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Yup, or he will claim that he felt threatened and it was justified. Either way as you say, no body, no murder. I don't think Sanya was speaking about human justice, he works for a higher power.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 21, 2025, 01:03:03 PM ---We are all capable of making wrong choices, that's what free will is all about, nothing automatic about it. Even saints are capable of screwing up once in a while. However which is a mere mistake and which is a clear deliberate choice? In other words emotion of the moment type mistake verses that of a calculated cold blooded monster?
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Harry made his choice: he chose to be a cold-blooded monster, back in Changes.
He fully-expected that the wintermantle would make him a monster; he chose that.
He attempted to mitigate his monstrous choice by having himself killed; but that wasn't a sure thing, he knew he might get (un)lucky and survive.
When his elaborate suicide-plan failed, and Uriel whispered hope into his ear, he chose to go on.
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