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Nicodemus Archleone and John Marcone - Birds of a feather?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on January 16, 2025, 08:00:44 AM ---True
The denarii seem to have realizes that its easier to control the host if they think that you are partners and the host tends to last longer. Hosts that a completely broken tend not to last long before a KoTC shows up.
Anduriel especially seems to have trained Nic enough that he doesn't need to do much to hmget him to obey.
Nammy will probably do the same with marcone. At first he will get him to compromise a little bit of his principles and over time the compromises will get larger and larger.
At first it will be i protect my people no matter what then i will sacrifice this one guy for the greater good, the justification of the sacrifice will get weaker and weaker and eventually no justification will be needed
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Except Marcone really has never been in it for the greater good. Yes, he feels some guilt over that little girl who got caught in his cross fire, but basically he is the same person he was before she got shot in the head.
Lord Kinbote:
WAG: Marcone took up the coin under the condition that the girl in the coma is cured.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 16, 2025, 02:01:46 PM ---Except Marcone really has never been in it for the greater good. Yes, he feels some guilt over that little girl who got caught in his cross fire, but basically he is the same person he was before she got shot in the head.
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More than "feels some guilt." Harry (based on soulgaze) has ID'ed that as a core bit of Marcone's identity, the cold driving fire that makes him what he is.
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on January 17, 2025, 12:38:32 AM ---More than "feels some guilt." Harry (based on soulgaze) has ID'ed that as a core bit of Marcone's identity, the cold driving fire that makes him what he is.
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Really? I have to go back and read it, if I remember correctly Harry didn't know what it was. However here is what makes no sense to me at any rate, his responsibility for what happened to the girl hasn't done anything to make him a better person. He has done little to atone for what he did that ruined her life, and that of her family. While yes, that is the one thing he is ashamed of and would commit murder if it would heal her, I don't think it defines him. It maybe when Jim wrote that he still had Marcone in mind as a possible Holy Knight, I felt those vibes at one time. I no longer think that is they case, yes, like in the book and the movie, "The Godfather," Marcone may have his own sense of what justice should be and ergo morality, at the end of the day he is a murdering monster who is and has played all the supernatural angles he can for power and influence.
BugBear:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 15, 2025, 03:40:14 PM ---Marcone has none of those advantages, however I think it will take a while before he realizes he isn't calling the shots.
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I think he actually has a pretty decent analogue for both.
--- Quote ---1] Right off Butters points out to Harry that Sheila was a delusion, thus he needs to be questioning everything.
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Marcone has Gard exactly for situations like this. As a consultant her role tends to be very fluid as needs arise, but she's most valuable as an information source and force multiplier. There, she's relaying information to Marcone about how to use all of his other resources most effectively.
Like if picking up this coin that the Devil's Carnival has been yelling "do it, do it, do it" about all night might have some potential negative side effects. Or sending her to her home office to make some inquiries (and perhaps do a bit more), if that would be beneficial.
--- Quote ---2] His experience with the soul gaze of a Denarian, he understands from the get go about who is really calling the shots if he accepts a coin.
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To be honest, between Dresden and Marcone, I think Marcone got the better lesson here (even if he was a slower learner).
He got full-on Clockwork Orange'd on demonreach. I don't think even Jim knows exactly what happened to Ivy, but getting her the hell out of there was basically the only thing Marcone could focus on while he bled all over Sanya's cloak. That's partially character building, partially how compressed and hectic that scene is, but I think it's also a hint that whatever happened was authentically Hellish.
We'll probably find out. Flipping through Small Favor, and there's even a bit of foreshadowing about the risks of breaking The Archive with friendship at the end. We're definitely starting to see that happen. This is definitely gonna come up again, the only question is if Marcone's choice and Ivy's end up linked in that way.
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