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What's your favourite conversations in the series?

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LordDresden2:

--- Quote from: Mira on January 06, 2025, 03:17:40 PM ---

--- Quote ---Murphy - "Those spineless, arrogant, egomaniacal sons of bitches," Murphy growled. "Who the hell do they think they are, selling out their own people like that?"
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Harry's warning to Murphy is significant here in my opinion and yeah, eventually led to her death.  Don't get me wrong, like a strong minded woman and all, but this was also Murphy's weakness.  On some level when it came to justice she thought she had all the answers, hence her reply.Not saying she was wrong, but at the same time she is judging a world she knows nothing about based on her own sense of justice and right and wrong.

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There's more than a little truth in that.

For that matter, when Harry and Karrin had this conversation in the Wal-Mart, it was after the loup-garou rampage.  That's vitally important.


--- Quote ---Harry - "One last thing. If you come in on this, you have to understand something. You have to promise me that you won't haul SI and the rest of the police in on everything. You can dig up information, use them discretely, but you can't round up a posse and go gunning for demons."

Murphy - Her eyes narrowed. "Why the hell not?"

Harry - "Because bringing mortal authorities into a conflict is the nuclear assault of the supernatural world. No one wants to see it happen, and if they thought you might do it, they'd kill you. Or they'd pull strings higher up and get you fired, or framed for something. They would never allow it to pass. You'd get yourself ruined or hurt or killed and it's likely a lot of people would go down with you." I paused to let the words sink in, then asked, "Still want me to tell you?"

Murphy - She closed her eyes for a moment and then nodded, once. "Hit me."

Harry - "You're sure?"

Murphy - "Yeah."
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The pre-Fool Moon Karrin Murphy, IMHO, simply would not have been able to accept the reality of that limitation.  The idea that she would have to ignore felonies, stand aside and do nothing while predators prey on mortal children and murder and rape and otherise do what outfits like the White Court and the Red Court do...it would have been more than she could make herself do before the loup garou forcibly humbled her.

After Fool Moon, she had the hard fact of Ron Carmichael's death to emphasize the truth of Harry's warning:

"Because bringing mortal authorities into a conflict is the nuclear assault of the supernatural world. No one wants to see it happen, and if they thought you might do it, they'd kill you. Or they'd pull strings higher up and get you fired, or framed for something. They would never allow it to pass. You'd get yourself ruined or hurt or killed and it's likely a lot of people would go down with you."

Mira:

--- Quote ---The pre-Fool Moon Karrin Murphy, IMHO, simply would not have been able to accept the reality of that limitation.  The idea that she would have to ignore felonies, stand aside and do nothing while predators prey on mortal children and murder and rape and otherise do what outfits like the White Court and the Red Court do...it would have been more than she could make herself do before the loup garou forcibly humbled her.

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Also what she had not learned when she went one on one with Nic and got a Holy Sword smashed.  She could have called Nic's bluff and accepted his surrender, his coin, his noose and left it up to God to judge and Nic screwed.. However as Nic knew she would, she couldn't leave it up to God to judge him, she had to judge him by her moral standards, damned him and attempted to execute him.. Thus she played right into his hands. 

g33k:

--- Quote from: Mira on January 07, 2025, 03:38:59 PM ---Also what she had not learned when she went one on one with Nic and got a Holy Sword smashed.  She could have called Nic's bluff and accepted his surrender, his coin, his noose and left it up to God to judge and Nic screwed.. However as Nic knew she would, she couldn't leave it up to God to judge him, she had to judge him by her moral standards, damned him and attempted to execute him.. Thus she played right into his hands. 
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Just remember that Harry himself equally violated Amoracchius, and lost it to the Leanansidhe.
The only real difference was that Nic wanted to break the Sword, where Lea did not.

The Swords would have been beyond either of them, had their bearers not betrayed the Swords' purpose.

Mira:

--- Quote from: g33k on January 08, 2025, 12:04:20 AM ---Just remember that Harry himself equally violated Amoracchius, and lost it to the Leanansidhe.
The only real difference was that Nic wanted to break the Sword, where Lea did not.

The Swords would have been beyond either of them, had their bearers not betrayed the Swords' purpose.

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Actually there was a big difference.  When Harry lost the Amoracchius to Lea he had no idea of what the rules were for using the Sword.  The moment he loses it, Micheal tells him that he misused it and that the Sword would not allow itself to be misused.  Yes,Lea tried to take advantage, but she had nothing to do with whether the Sword was broken or not broken.   When Murphy misused the Sword and got it broken, as a former Holy Knight she knew very well what the rules governing a Holy Sword were.  She chose instead to judge Nic herself instead of leave judgement of him up to the Lord.  It's when she says "damn you" as she strikes that she causes the Sword to shatter, it isn't her place to damn anyone, that is up to the Lord on the Day of Judgement.

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